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    Default Vimeo changed it's rules?

    I'm pretty sure that I have loaded sometimes up to 3 HD videos in one week before. Now they only allow for 1 HD upload a week. That is why my video wasn't in HD. Did this new rule slip in along with "vimeo plus"?
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    Yep, gotta upgrade. AND you have to pay for HD views! 1000 HD views is $10.

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    Hold on, so they DID change the rules from 500 megs a week including no cap on HD as long as you keep it under 500 megs, to: 1 HD video per week regardless, and STILL only allow 500 megs a week, unless you get the upgrade?
    So what happened is the free service got crappier. Lovely.
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    Exactly.

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    I suggested to them to make it 4 HD re-encodings per month instead of 1 per week. At the end, it's almost the same number of HD videos allowed, but it allows more flexibility for users who might have more than one HD video shot in the same week and want to upload in succession. I think that this can be a good compromise for all.

    Hopefully, they will listen. If you agree, reply here: http://vimeo.com/forums/topic:8229

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    I can see their points somewhat, they have been giving you free HD uploads for a while and it does cost money. Looks like the free trial period is over.

    the most annoying things now are that they arent allowing international users to sign up to PLUS and they STILL dont allow 25p videos
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikki View Post
    the most annoying things now are that they arent allowing international users to sign up to PLUS and they STILL dont allow 25p videos
    international user registration for vimeo plus should come soon.... btw do they still get all rights for your videos after uploading on vimeo plus?

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    What I want from Vimeo is this:
    1. Bug fixes, bug fixes, bug fixes. Vimeo is not solid currently.
    2. Recognize the aspect ratio of videos, or at least ask the user during the uploading if his SD video is 4:3 or widescreen. This is the most common problem people with SD camcorders bump into.
    3. De-interlace videos by default. This bites lots of users who are not tech savvy too.
    4. 25p cap instead of 24p for the HD videos. 30p is still too slow to decode for most PCs though.
    5. Four HD videos per month instead of one HD video per week for the free version.
    [6. Re-encode SD videos at 640x480 max, instead of 504x380 that it is now. The VGA window fits in the current design (that's the window size of the HD videos in the web pages), and it looks much better. This will require more bitrate though, and bandwidth costs them money, so I deem this request optional.]

    Then Vimeo becomes really cool. Notice that what I ask for above is NOT for my own needs (except #1 and #5 the rest don't concern me personally), but for the general good of Vimeo. These are problems that need to be fixed for the majority of users feel better with the service. All the rest of the features (e.g. more space, more albums/channels etc) are secondary IMO.

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    >btw do they still get all rights for your videos after uploading on vimeo plus?

    There were over 150 comments on a single thread about this on Vimeo for over a year now, and that's because people can't understand legalese. Vimeo simply perpetually licenses your video for their needs, they don't own the video or the copyright. Youtube and Revver work exactly the same. After 1.5 years people should have learned about it by now instead of going over and over this non-issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eugenia Loli-Queru View Post
    >btw do they still get all rights for your videos after uploading on vimeo plus?

    There were over 150 comments on a single thread about this on Vimeo for over a year now, and that's because people can't understand legalese. Vimeo simply perpetually licenses your video for their needs, they don't own the video or the copyright.
    however to perpetually licensing they still need some rights! can you please point on their terms where its regulated.
    i would never ever show some footage i get paid for on youtube unless
    my client wants me to.

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    You read their terms, it's all there. Just read the terms carefully, rather than reading a long thread of panicking people, people who panic for nothing that is.

    If your footage is for pay, you are not even allowed to upload to vimeo. Vimeo is for personal usage only.

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    I upgraded anyways, I need me HD uploads. It is annual so it is not that bad. A few bucks a month.

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    Wait, we have to pay to watch HD videos?
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    No, to upload more than one HD per week, 2GB/Week upload limit, Priority upload, Higher quality....Basically premium Vimeo account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JedEyeZ View Post
    No, to upload more than one HD per week, 2GB/Week upload limit, Priority upload, Higher quality....Basically premium Vimeo account.
    My questions was regarding this post:
    Quote Originally Posted by JedEyeZ View Post
    Yep, gotta upgrade. AND you have to pay for HD views! 1000 HD views is $10.
    Does that mean that I have to pay to watch HD videos?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PadawanGeek View Post
    My questions was regarding this post:


    Does that mean that I have to pay to watch HD videos?
    No you have to pay to have your HD videos EMBEDDED on other websites. Like over on VCP posts how you can embed a video into the post. IE Have the vimeo player on a site other than vimeo.

    I will just post links...paying for that is a little much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JedEyeZ View Post
    No you have to pay to have your HD videos EMBEDDED on other websites. Like over on VCP posts how you can embed a video into the post. IE Have the vimeo player on a site other than vimeo.

    I will just post links...paying for that is a little much.
    Oh, thats dumb. I can't believe they would charge for something as basic as that.
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    BTW, higher quality is only for SD video. HD video stays the same according to what I've been reading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chow View Post
    BTW, higher quality is only for SD video. HD video stays the same according to what I've been reading.
    It should be better for both, now you get 2-Pass encoding.

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    > higher quality is only for SD video.

    Are you sure? Cause to me it sounded like they are doing a 2-pass on the HD video.

    >Oh, thats dumb. I can't believe they would charge for something as basic as that.

    No it's not dumb. Bandwidth costs money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eugenia Loli-Queru View Post
    >Oh, thats dumb. I can't believe they would charge for something as basic as that.

    No it's not dumb. Bandwidth costs money.
    In my opinion, its dumb. There is no difference in the bandwith that vimeo is getting between if someone watches a video from the Vimeo page and if someone watches a video from an external page. If anything, less of Vimeo's bandwith is taken up because the whole Vimeo page doesn't have to be loaded in the case of an embed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PadawanGeek View Post
    In my opinion, its dumb. There is no difference in the bandwith that vimeo is getting between if someone watches a video from the Vimeo page and if someone watches a video from an external page. If anything, less of Vimeo's bandwith is taken up because the whole Vimeo page doesn't have to be loaded in the case of an embed.
    Yeah theres a massive difference in what you get, you really need to get your head round the bigger picture here.

    If someone watches you HD vid on Vimeo's site they get adverts, Vimeo branding, links and everything else. Vimeo benefit from exposure, they might get ad clicks and you think "this vimeo thing looks interesting, Ill have a look around"

    If its loaded off your website then it doesnt have any of that, Vimeo get no benefit and it therefor costs them money everytime someone plays the video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikki View Post
    Yeah theres a massive difference in what you get, you really need to get your head round the bigger picture here.

    If someone watches you HD vid on Vimeo's site they get adverts, Vimeo branding, links and everything else. Vimeo benefit from exposure, they might get ad clicks and you think "this vimeo thing looks interesting, Ill have a look around"

    If its loaded off your website then it doesnt have any of that, Vimeo get no benefit and it therefor costs them money everytime someone plays the video.
    Is see what you mean, good point.
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    Default Vimeo=fail

    BAD BAD TURN VIEMO everyone in business knows you never remove a service or start to charge for something that used to be FREE and succeed. Youtube will soon be offering HD content from youtube.com. I predict the end of VIMEO.com with in 2 years tops. Great concept and clean UI, crap business model and change of terms.
    More and more will just start self hosting or JOOST.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikki View Post
    If someone watches you HD vid on Vimeo's site they get adverts, Vimeo branding, links and everything else.
    What ads? What links? I guess I miss a lot with AdBlock and NoScript.
    Quote Originally Posted by threadhanger View Post
    About the only thing I like about Vimeo is that you can download the original uncompressed file.
    It is not an original one, and it is not uncompressed.

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