Cancelling my 5D MK2 order.. plagued with the HV30 bug..
Just found out the bad news..
5D MK2 is crippled just the like HV20/H30 in that the camera's movie mode is fully automatic. You can lock exposure and compensate exposure, just like the HV30.
This is a huge disappointment because the DOF range allowed on the 5DMK2 is a huge selling point of the camera.. The user loses huge flexibility by not being able to adjust the aperture independently..
Kind of impulsive, no?
First order, then cancel?
If there's a workaround (as there normally is with these things), will you re-order again?
By the way, where are you getting this 'news' from?
It's ok....we forgive you for crossing over....
But that is a shame.....
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canceling my pre-order I should say.Originally Posted by 1
This is straight from canon rep on another message board that I'm a member of. It's a paid membership board so I can't link you to it..
Yes, there is workaround, it'll be like the workaround for the HV30.. but the DOF range on the HV30's small sensor is negligible.. the DOF range on the 5D2 is HUGE so not being able to select the aperture I shoot at will be a huge factor. The rep basically put it as .. If you want to shoot wide open, give it less light.
I just googled "Canon 5D-MII" and the 5th result was a Hv20.com post. Is it me or has this site become THE Indie filmmaker source/site?
No matter what better cameras people on here eventually graduate to I wonder how many will still come back?
I like my variable ND filter!
Ha...I have to believe that it is.... I keep seeing this site pop up on Google also...
No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life...Albert Einstein
It's you.
Try Googling the correct name of the camera, which is the Canon 5D-MKII or Mark II and you'll get very different results. It just happens that hv20.com has a thread with the incorrect "MII" in its subject line.
Seriously, there are only abou 4500 hits total with your search. Googling Canon 5D Mark II will give you almost a million and a half.
That's what I get for copying and pasting from on here.It's you.
Try Googling the correct name of the camera, which is the Canon 5D-MKII or Mark II and you'll get very different results. It just happens that hv20.com has a thread with the incorrect "MII" in its subject line.
Seriously, there are only abou 4500 hits total with your search. Googling Canon 5D Mark II will give you almost a million and a half.
If true, that'd suck. With so much potential to make stunning imagery as a stills camera, so close yet so far, castrating the 5D MKII like that... fecking idiots.
Market protection or engineering limitations?
Truth, rumour or industrial sabotage? I'm looking at you Nikon.
Here are the words from Chuck Westfall copy/pasted:
Sigh.. so it's a HV30 with a big fancy sensor.. With these limitations, I'm no longer anxious to get the camera like I was before when I read Rob Galbrith's incorrect description of the 5D2's video controls... I will probably call Adorama tomorrow morning to cancel my pre-order. My wallet will thank me too..Since the EOS 5D Mark II controls ISO, shutter speed and aperture value automatically in movie mode, there is no direct user control over these settings. The best way to force a wide aperture is to shoot in low light or with an ND filter. The best way to force a low ISO is to shoot in bright light. It's not realistic to expect that you'll be able to force the combination of wide aperture and low ISO at the same time in movie mode with the 5D Mark II. There is no "program shift" in movie mode with the 5D Mark II to adjust the settings the camera picks. However, it is definitely possible to apply exposure compensation and AE lock in movie mode to override the camera's automatic adjustments to a reasonable extent.
Actually, that's pretty much what I accepted as being what the control is (or isn't).
I think I can happily work within those constraints.
I totally didn't expect that. Rob Galbarith's preview said any ISO and aperture can be selected prior to recording.
How would you be able to work with those constraints? Say if you're shooting in low light and the camera's auto exposure gives you f/4.0 @ 800iso and 1/30 shutter. If you want to open up to f/1.8 for shallow DOF but keep the exposure level the same, how would you accomplish that?? You can't, and you're $hit out of luck...
so I can't control the aperture, specially on an EF lens.
But how about if I put Nikon lens (with converter)?
Nikons have manual aperture right.
Do you think this will work?
Good idea. That should work. You still have to deal with the stupid auto ISO though.
They're not stupid after all. Of course the camera will open the aperture fully and drop the shutter to 1/30 or so before pumping up the iso/gain, right?!?
Not a good solution either. The ISO on the camera goes up to 25600 iso. What if you want a reasonably large DOF, say f/5.6 and want to keep the ISO at a manageable 3200? If the camera prioritizes the aperture first, then it'd open up to f/1.2 (on my 85L) before touching the ISO... you'd end up with an entirely different look than what you envisioned.
Too much auto, it's a great consumer movie mode but not for any creative work... This is worst than the HV30 because the DOF difference is so large...
Wouldn't using FD lenses solve the aperture problem?
The more guys cancel their preorders, the sooner I get mine!
Why would I order FD lenses when I already have all the EF lenses I want to use? Plus, you don't get Image Stabilization with FD lenses so g'luck hand holding with long FOVs...
sorry but what did you expect? after dozens of still cameras with video modes working just like this, including the nikon d90 which is a dslr, i would have been very surprised if they had included manual control. my comment was to show that you can certainly make things look good with this camera, larger aperture generally looks better than more gain, but not necessarily the way you like. :-)
just get a manual lens and lock the rest. that's what i'm going to do with my d90, if it ever arrives...
EDIT: oops, just saw your last comment. guess you won't. :-)
/matt
FD lenses donīt fit unless you use a very expensive adapter with light loss and crop factor.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe D90 allows the user to pre-select the aperture they want to shoot at before starting to record the movie. If the 5D2 had that ability, then I would be satisfied. The fact is, once you start the movie mode, the 5D2 will set ISO, aperture, and shutter all automatically. You can do tricks like blocking the lens with your hand to reduce light or whatever, but that will be a real ghetto way of working with the camera.
FD on the 5D2? read this article.. it's not a very simple solution: http://www.bobatkins.com/photography...focus_EOS.html
Just called Adorama.. pre-order canceled!
Alright, so just to be clear..
If what I only need is the shallow DOF which can be controlled by adjusting the aperture, and if the ISO and shutter does not really matter to me nor the Autofocus......the solution would be to use a Nikon lens + Nikon-EOS converter.
Any other limitations? (before I eternally decide to forever keep my pre-order)
Same mamamama happened with the Sony HC1. Turn Cinema mode on and you lose manual controls pretty much for everything. The stupid camera never drops below 1/60 even with gain up, and hovers around 1/125 in bright day. The resulting 24-fps video looks like crap.
Um, maybe not going below 1/60 is not that stupid, because the camera is still shooting interlaced, and then picks fields here and there to fake telecined 24p. Cinema mode a.k.a. Cineframe was a crappy gimmick at the first place, so no real loss. No one used it anyway.
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