viewfinder not exactly what's recorded?
Is it common for the viewfinder to not show all of the image that is being recorded?
The framing that I saw when shooting is not the same once I'm working with the footage in the computer... there is more showing than I wanted to record.
Of course, I'd rather have more than not enough - but that still means I'll have to blow up the video to get the framing how I want.
Maybe this is common, and that an external monitor is needed for precise framing?
1) The HV has about 5% overscan from each side (or underscan, depends on where do you stand).
2) Search before asking.
In fact it is a bit worse, as I was quite surprised last week when I looked back a recent shooting on the PC.
Difference viewfinder vs real video capture
Model HV30
Setting: HDV 25p
Horizontally:
compared to the viewfinder picture real video has 11% extra on left & right
(so in total the video is 22% wider as you 'think' based on the viewfinder screen)
Vertically:
compared to the viewfinder picture, real video has 5% extra on top & on bottom
(so in total the video is 10% higher as you 'think' based on the viewfinder screen)
Most impact you get from the horizontal diffence, 22% is quite a bit.
Henk
Viewfinder Problems
When recording with my HV30, the camera actually records a frame that is slightly wider and taller than what is shown in the viewfinder of the camera. This sometimes results in undesirable objects peeking into the corner of the frame, which I then must remove in post by cropping the image.
Has anyone else run into this problem? Is there anything I can do about it (other than fixing it in post)?
i DEFFINATELY am gonna try this.. i didnt realize i was having this problem untill i read this thread.. and realized HOLY CRAP!..Originally Posted by Bif
i shot some behind the scenes / making the music video stuff for a band.. in low light.. and on my LCD it was bright and perfect.. but in EDITING i was like uhhhh wtf is it so dark for...
so this is because my LCD screen is turned up on the brightness to much?
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LCD monitor vs TV color reproduction
Hello,
The video that is displayed on the HV20 LCD screen look bright with nice contrast and are close to the image I see when I play the HV20 on a standard CRT TV. Also, if I burn the video after capturing it directly without any color edit, to a DVD, the picture is fine on the TV.
However, when I capture the video with HDVSplit and view it in any media player on the PC LCD screen(I have tried Media Player classic, KMPlayer, VLC etc) the colors look muddy with low contrast and brightness. The same effect is also seen on the preview window of Premiere or Vegas. Canopus Edius preview seems to be a little better. The quality difference is pretty drastic.
I did try using the latest NVidia driver and player around with the 16-235 vs 0-255 option, to no avail.
The details:
LCD - Dell 1905FP with color calibration by Colorvision Spyder
Vid Card - MSI NVidia NX8600GT, using DVI connection
Nvidia driver - Latest (I think 185.XX)
Any recommendations/help is much appreciated. Because of this, I am not sure that if I will improve or worsen the picture based on any edits I do on the LCD monitor.
If the final output is a DVD, should I adjust the settings on the media players on the PC to more or less match TV quality? For Web delivery, can I believe what I see on the PC monitor?
Thanks
Your screen is already calibrated, so it shouldn't be too much different... What's the color gamut of your screen?
Oh yes, and I was wondering. Does the viewfinder of the XH A1 also cut off part of the recorded image? And I mean the viewfinder, not the LCD.
Colour shot doesnt match colour captured..
hi there i'm wondering whether you can help i have shot with a hv30 to get footage for a green screen shot... unfortunately when i capture the footage from the camera the footage in the display is completly different to the footage i have playing in my editing software and when i display it a media player....
What do you think is the problem.. heres a capture of the before and after footage the left shot is after..
First question, how did you get the before and after pictures?
The LCD on the camera consistently displays the video brighter and richer than it actually is. If this is what you're experiencing, it's normal.
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You might want to read through this Sticky (that a search would have found) where I've moved your post to.
I have read that sticky !!!!
This thread has nothing to do with where you put my article and i suspect alot of people experiencing problems with shooting green screen with the hv30 and not being able to capture th 4:4:4 colour space will loose out because of the way you choose to move this article then presumsiously claimed that i hadnt read the information before.....
Sorry i am so rash but i dont like being insulted.... Could you take some time to do some research next time as your meant to be an expert in a hv20/30 forum!
P.s -- Sorry for shouting :S -- i've had a bad day...
Last edited by mikew; 2009 August 8th at 04:37.
@ithinkgoimac
not sure the problem is because of the lcd display...
the issue here is the actual captured video is displaying a duller colour...
the captures i have there are taken from shots of the same screen...
The one on the right is a photo taken with the hv30...
The one on the left is taken from a screen capture of the imported footage and played back on windows media player....
once again sorry for shouting at cyclewriter
Last edited by mikew; 2009 August 8th at 04:37.
I might have been more sympathetic, but after reading this and your insulting PM I have no patience for jerks. Your original post above says nothing about color space. It specifically refers to the difference between what you see on the camera and what you see on your monitor or in your editing software. This thread has many examples of exactly that. Don't blame me for your poorly worded post. I'm going to leave your words so others can see what a jerk you are in spite of your apology.
BTW, there are no experts in here, just knowledgeable, helpful people who share their expertise willingly. You seem to think you are owed something by this forum and are angered because you didn't get it. Drop the sense of entitlement or find somewhere else to go for answers.
Pictures and video are fundamentally different, and will look different. Also, as you have probably figured out, the HVxx series do not capture 4:4:4 colorspace at all. The best you can do is 4:2:2 via HDMI. You can always convert to 4:4:4 in post, though.
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Thankyou both.
So if you don't see everything that's on the LCD Screen why would one attach a Wide Angle lens to there HV30? Wouldn't that add to the "Overscan"?
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No. What's on the viewscreen is a slightly cropped rendition of what the sensor sees and what is recorded to tape, generally about 95%. It doesn't matter you do to the lens, you will still see that same 95% of the captured image on the viewscreen.
The LCD is USELESS for everything except framing (even then not so good). It helps to have an external monitor like a notebook with firewire to view how your lighting/color will look.
You have to calibrate your video monitor too to a gamma of 2.2 or so to see how it really looks. By now I can mostly tell the difference between the LCD and real footage.
On indoor shoots an external monitor is a MUST, sorry. What you see is definitely not what you get.
LCD Viewfinder and Exposure
New to the forum so I have quick question for everyone. I have the new HV40 and have shot hours of Vid this summer. I am having difficulty getting the right exposure while viewing through the LCD. It almost seems it is a crap shoot. I use the zebra settings , but I find it is very difficult to use the LCD viewfinder as “what you see is what you get”. Sometimes the vid is blown or underexposed, and most of the time I think I just have gotten lucky in the exposure settings. I usually set up between P and TV mode and adjust and lock-in exposure to account for zebra lines that are over/underexposed (shooting outside mostly) for mountain bike action.
Any suggestions from people would be great.
You may want to try to adjust the over all brightness of the lcd its self. If its to low , your going to up the exposure and blow it out. There is definetly a menu for it. Also you can try the cell phone trick to lock in the correct exposure with out gain. You may already know this though.
Sounds like a plan I will give this a go, I am not ure wt you mean by the cell phone trick to lock the correct exposure with out gain.
Do a search on using a cellphone/flashlight/other source of light to lock your exposure.
And you might try searching before starting a new thread. Posts merged.
Question about screen, capture...
Hello,
I noticed that what we see on the screen is not the full image. There are some space missing on each side. Why?
Another thing is : When i try to capture a picture from a movie with Media Player Classic, it comes deformed. Why again?
Thanks~
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