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    Unhappy Users of Pinnacle Studio & SmartSound

    Users of Pinnacle Studio & SmartSound may be interested in this thread http://forums.pinnaclesys.com/forums/thread/220782.aspx


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    It's that attitude that made me leave Pinnacle after ver. 9. Customer support sucks and the program has always been buggy as hell.

    FYI, CyberLink's Power Director Pro 7 supports HD, Blu-Ray and Smart Sounds (of which I have a sizable library). On projects that don't require the features of Vegas, I use it regularly.
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    Those of us that got in early with S12 are fortunate! I don't agree that Studio is buggy now, certainly the older versions got Studio a bad name but I have found Studio 12 very stable and see no need to change at present.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terfyn View Post
    Those of us that got in early with S12 are fortunate! I don't agree that Studio is buggy now, certainly the older versions got Studio a bad name but I have found Studio 12 very stable and see no need to change at present.
    Wait, are you saying that early shipping Studio 12 versions had SmartSounds support and that it has been removed from current shipping versions of S12? That makes no sense. If the licenses were already in place for that version when it first shipped, why take it out after the fact? That's screwy.

    And if you had persisted/suffered with Studio from ver. 4 through ver. 9 like I had, you'd have a different perspective on the Pinnacle company. I will never buy another Pinnacle product no matter how stable it may be.
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    will never buy another Pinnacle product no matter how stable it may be
    I'm sure Pinnacle will be very glad to have you off their backs. At least you can't "CLOSE" their threads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terfyn View Post
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    I'm sure Pinnacle will be very glad to have you off their backs. At least you can't "CLOSE" their threads.
    Perhaps, but I can still close yours.
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    Perhaps, but I can still close yours
    This is why you should never have been made a moderator. You abuse your power without any consideration for others feelings.
    Whenever a "Closed" thread appears 9 times out of 10 your name is the last on the list.
    This was a Forum where people could gain support for their hobby and enjoy a discussion. Not anymore.
    Why am I not surprised by your pathetic answer? Its true to form.

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    I have been using Studio 12 Ultimate for a couple of months now and it is very stable compared to it's predecessors (I started with v7).

    I have advanced to HD and am editing *.m2v files and I am quite impressed with it on my Vista Core 2 Quad HP computer.

    I have no musical talent and I either like or dislike a piece of music and the removal of Smart Sound is a stupid move on my part as it will make it that much harder and when you are almost 60 years old you do not want to learn too many new tricks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terfyn View Post
    This is why you should never have been made a moderator. You abuse your power without any consideration for others feelings.
    Whenever a "Closed" thread appears 9 times out of 10 your name is the last on the list.
    This was a Forum where people could gain support for their hobby and enjoy a discussion. Not anymore.
    Why am I not surprised by your pathetic answer? Its true to form.
    Excuse me? You purposely respond with an obvious provocation and now you're upset that it worked? Any moderator that does not agree with my closing a thread can reopen it. That's happened only once. The forum owner has said several times that he's OK with the way things are being run, but feel free to complain to him if you like. FYI, if a thread warrants being moved to an existing thread, that's always my first option. Please feel free to point me to a thread I have closed that shouldn't have been.

    And you're right, I'm mad with power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CycleWriter View Post
    And if you had persisted/suffered with Studio from ver. 4 through ver. 9 like I had, you'd have a different perspective on the Pinnacle company. I will never buy another Pinnacle product no matter how stable it may be.
    Ugh, AMEN brother! It took them 12 iterations of that crap to finally make it 'stable'. NO thank you! I will never revert to pinnacle, if all other editing companies goes out of business I'll just stop with video as well before getting nickle/dime'd with activation codes and banging my head against another crashed out project.
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    Well, I've used Pinnacles, couple of early versions...they were buggy and I quit using them, though they were very simple to use...if you wanted something that wasn't too difficult. Plus, they always had lots of add-ons to sell you along with upgrades. Times have changed, so I'm not too sure all companies have kept up too well with all the different problems that arise with software and hardware. Even CS3 has its problems, just read their forum and you get an idea of the difficulty. I'd like to close by saying that I do appreciate the time moderators do spend to monitor and help others here at this forum, even with their twisted sense of humor. I'll say this, tis' by far one of the better forums for this subject matter on the net.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul W. H View Post
    I have been using Studio 12 Ultimate for a couple of months now and it is very stable compared to it's predecessors (I started with v7).
    - Stable yes, but still behind the times. Can't import AC3 without downmixing to stereo (who spends all that money on a cam with DD5.1 sound only to have it downmixed???)

    - No LFE track capability on DD5.1 output

    - Only 2 video tracks

    - limited burning options and templates

    - No direct M2T import

    These are pretty serious flaws and shortcomings in this day and age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Sanders View Post
    - Stable yes, but still behind the times. Can't import AC3 without downmixing to stereo (who spends all that money on a cam with DD5.1 sound only to have it downmixed???)

    - No LFE track capability on DD5.1 output

    - Only 2 video tracks

    - limited burning options and templates

    - No direct M2T import

    These are pretty serious flaws and shortcomings in this day and age.

    I am not a professional just a pure hobbyist and at this moment in time Pinnacle Studio 12 Ultimate does everything that I need. I can cope with 2 video tracks and have no need for 5.1 sound as I find stereo OK. I am almost 60 years old and do not want to learn too many new tricks as all my "stuff" is for family, friends and my own consumption.

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    I'm with you Paul WH. Studio is a straight forward bit of software that edits HV20 video and makes DVDs. It does not have the extras that Vegas or Premier have but it is straightforward to use. Why buy a Ferrari when a Mini will do the job?
    I do note that there are less questions about Studio than about Vegas but, to be fair, this may reflect a minority interest in Studio. I would like to believe that it is because Studio gives less problems than the others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul W. H View Post
    I have been using Studio 12 Ultimate for a couple of months now and it is very stable compared to it's predecessors (I started with v7).

    I have advanced to HD and am editing *.m2v files and I am quite impressed with it on my Vista Core 2 Quad HP computer.

    I have no musical talent and I either like or dislike a piece of music and the removal of Smart Sound is a stupid move on my part as it will make it that much harder and when you are almost 60 years old you do not want to learn too many new tricks.

    Paul W. H
    Paul, if SmartSounds is important to you then you might want to check out the free trial of CyberLink's Power Director 7. It is reasonably easy to use, but very powerful and stable. I use it for simpler projects primarily for my SS library that I have invested some money in and would hate to lose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CycleWriter View Post
    Paul, if SmartSounds is important to you then you might want to check out the free trial of CyberLink's Power Director 7. It is reasonably easy to use, but very powerful and stable. I use it for simpler projects primarily for my SS library that I have invested some money in and would hate to lose.
    I have a copy of Power Director 7 Ultra coming. Been checking out the trial and it edits 1920x1080 17Mbps AVCHD on a dual core machine where Studio 11 requires a quad core running at 2.66Ghz. My quad core runs at 2.4Ghz and won't handle it.

    Paul, do check out SonicFire Pro. It's almost as intuitive as Studio. Two ways to synch your score with video segments: Take note of the actual timeline length to score and set up an identical timeline segment in SFP, then import the SmartSound music to there and it works just like within Studio.

    If you need a video reference to see how the music variations work with the moving image, render out a low quality disk file and SFP can display that in a small window while the music plays.

    With multi layer music you can mute or change the volume level in individual instrument layers, also check out the demo at www.smartsound.com and see "mood mapping" in action.

    A lot more flexibility and you still get to use your SmartSound library with Studio no matter what Avid does with it.

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    Hi all

    Instead of oppening a new thread, i put my question here because it concerns Studio 11.
    I´m now creating my first HDV project.
    Should i choose:
    - HD 1920x1080/50i
    or
    - HD 1440x1080/50i
    ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apo View Post
    Hi all

    Instead of oppening a new thread, i put my question here because it concerns Studio 11.
    I´m now creating my first HDV project.
    Should i choose:
    - HD 1920x1080/50i
    or
    - HD 1440x1080/50i
    ???

    Thanks
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    You might try telling us what the final destination is for this project.
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    Hi

    To be honest i´m still trying to figure out what to do.
    I want to create projects with full quality.
    I was thinking to burn a DVD disc for now (not HD fornat), and a Blu-ray later.
    Meanwhile i´ll keep my projects on Hard drive.

    I just realize that Studio 11, only burn HD DVD and not Blu-ray, so probably i will need to upgrade my Studio 11.
    Still, maybe i´ll try to record 1h10m of AVCHD in a DVD DL, and then watch the final quality in a PS3.

    Apo

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    I've been using studio for years. Love it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apo View Post
    Hi all

    Instead of oppening a new thread, i put my question here because it concerns Studio 11.
    I´m now creating my first HDV project.
    Should i choose:
    - HD 1920x1080/50i
    or
    - HD 1440x1080/50i
    ???

    Thanks
    Apo
    Nobody???

    Apo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apo View Post
    Nobody???

    Apo
    Always shoot in the highest definition and control what format you need to output in your NLE.

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