Removing Pulldown AFTER Editing Using CS3

[sdeming]

I'm with Ian-T. 24p has place in film, that cadence is worth so much when shooting anything 'film-ic'. But, it's not for home videos. 60i is for filming sports, home videos, concerts, etc. But, this is moving into an artistic discussion and away from what this thread is meant for, namely pull down removal in After Effects.

[crobs808]

Even Premiee has a template that involves using the Cineform codec because Premiere can not do it on its own.[/B][/U]

nope. native in CS4, no more 3rd party codec reliance.

[Frank]

Ian-T said:
"The only software (I believe) that can do this is After Effects....but very slowly...and time consuming."

Actually, if you use the method described in the first post here, it's not time-consuming at all; very quick in fact. But that requires that you edit in Premiere Pro (and also that you have the same version of PRPRO and AE).

[Frank]

nope. native in CS4, no more 3rd party codec reliance.

I have PPRO CS4, and it can NOT remove pulldown from HV20 footage.
However, After Effects does the best job of anything I've tried, even the free method. The procedure described in the first post on this thread works beautifully if you happen to have matched versions of PPRO and AE. The only thing is that After Effects (at least on my station) does awful things to MPEG2, so I use Avisynth to serve the video to AE before I color correct and render out.

[zephyrnoid]

RE: The only software (I believe) that can do this is After Effects....but very slowly...and time consuming.
Does this mean that the method posted on Apple's site is a poor option (bigger working files) because it removes pull-down prior to editing in the work-flow?

[isavedlatin]

The only software (I believe) that can do this is After Effects....but very slowly...and time consuming.

[/B][/U]

final cut pro can do it too.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2410

[isavedlatin]

I think there's a program called Automatic Duck that can put Final Cut projects into After Effects.

premiere pro cs4 can now natively import fcp xml files and then send them over to after effects, which pretty much negates any use for automatic duck.

http://odeo.com/episodes/23753925-Im...e-Premiere-CS4

[mikeD]

i'm seeking clarification on something in the original post.


After editing and bringing the cut into AFX, do you run the script on the composition, or on the footage/clips that are used in the comp (that are in the proj-window)?

[Frank]

i'm seeking clarification on something in the original post.


After editing and bringing the cut into AFX, do you run the script on the composition, or on the footage/clips that are used in the comp (that are in the proj-window)?

Select all the footage items in the project window at the same time and run the script on them.

[SpaceCadet]

i lost a lot of my titles and transitions following this workflow

[SpaceCadet]

I followed the steps and when I view the video there are black frames in between each cut. I selected files in the project window, ran the script and render to QT photo JPEG and it makes funny cuts.

EDIT: Okay, weird. I tried again but this time I changed the frame rates and comp settings before actually opening the compsequence and now it didn't put any transparency between cuts.

I am getting the same thing.

[Frank]

i lost a lot of my titles and transitions following this workflow

Yes, Premiere titles do not translate to AE. You need to do the titles in AE (you can copy and paste text from the PPRO titles to AE).
Fades will translate properly if you create them manually (keyframe opacity) rather than using the presets.

[EditNoob]

I have a problem with this Workflow that others might run into, all my in and out points are totally off on all the clips when I import from Premiere to AE I'm using CS3 so maybe this is a CS4 solution? or maybe I have my premier project set up wrong? anyone else run into this?

[Mr. Kite]

I have one question about this workflow. Once in After Effects, how would you apply filters to certain scenes when what's in your timeline is just one big sequence?

[Frank]

I have one question about this workflow. Once in After Effects, how would you apply filters to certain scenes when what's in your timeline is just one big sequence?

Every video segment in the PPRO timeline becomes a layer in AE, so you can apply different effects to the different layers.
If you only have one segment of video in PPRO, then you can still apply effects in AE to different parts of the layer by using either keyframing or adjustment layers.

[totitefilms]

I don't edit in PPRO. Can I just import captured m2t clips directly to AE and run the script in post 1 and edit them in AE?

[drapeama]

I don't edit in PPRO. Can I just import captured m2t clips directly to AE and run the script in post 1 and edit them in AE?

I think you'll have to do it for each clip...it's a bit a longer process but yes it'll work.

[dbrucks]

I've been reading threads about this AE/PPro/24P workflow for hours and starting to go cross-eyed...I have a project that mixes 24P with 60i and would appreciate any help...

Basically the majority of my 4 tapes of footage is 24P, but certain shots I switched to 60i because I plan to turn into slo mo. I plan to do post-production work in Premiere Pro CS3, AE CS4, and Magic Bullet Colorista. I'm completely overwhelmed by what workflow to use - what timelines to use, in which programs, and when; what order the workflow should follow; should the 60i clips be kept separate from the 24P clips until the very end; when to remove pulldown (best option seems to be this thread's -> after editing in Premiere, bring the project into AE to remove pulldown but I HAVE CS3 FOR PREMIERE AND CS4 FOR AE --> IS THIS A PROBLEM??); when to mix the sound (some people mention losing audio with certain workflows).

This is only an 8 or so minute short but considering all the post-production work I'll have to do it's going to take a long time to edit, and I don't want to follow an incorrect workflow that requires me to start all over again after 3 weeks of work because of something silly I overlooked. I've heard people say playback won't look right during editing, only at the final output will the image look correct, so how will I know before this point if my process is going to wind up looking good or crappy?

Thanks for any help!

[markblasco]

OK, so if I am reading this right, if you use this method, will you ever need to render to an intermediate file if you are finishing your project in After Effects?

So, for example, let's say I recorded some 24fps footage on an HFS100 as AVCHD files. I start a new premiere project at 29.97fps (because this is how the files are wrapped from the camera) and do my edits. When the editing is finished, I import this project into After Effects, and then interpret the footage for all of the clips in the project. Then, change the composition setting to 24fps. Is this it? Can I now do all of my color grading, and then render the final project? Is there something I am missing?

I haven't worked with 24fps before, but would like to, and I usually take my projects from premiere to after effects, so if this is all that needs to happen, I might just go shoot a music video in 24fps today when I get home.

[Frank]

Mark,

Yes, that is exactly how it works.

[markblasco]

I tried it today, and while it did indeed work, the processing time for After Effects to do anything with the project was pretty staggering. With no processing other than removing the pulldown, it took AFX just under an hour to render a 4 minute music video. It took the same amount of time to render the last project I did, which was a 7 minute video with color correction on almost every shot, stabilization, and lots of dissolves and effects.

On the plus side, I never had to convert, so I can see using this method for video's where you don't need to do a lot of work in After Effects, but just need to render the edited video with minimal adjustments.

[Imago]

Hello I have question. When I play movie on camcorder everything is ok (recorded as CINE PF24) but when I do pulldown in AE (first captured at 29.976 fps at HDVSplit, then I do pulldown by guess in AE and make new comp with 23.976fps ) but every move is blurry. What I do wrong? Can you pls help me?

[Max Goldberg]

Is the new comp progressive? I really don't know how to help.


BUT I have news! This makes the process EVEN easier! Premiere Pro CS5 can capture and detect scenes in HDV footage! This means that in CS5, the workflow is as simple as this:

Capture and Edit in Premiere CS5 in a 60i timeline.
Import project into After Effects.
Remove Pulldown on all clips.
Open comp and change to 23.976 fps.
Color grade, etc etc etc
Export to 24p.

That's it. This also means that it works on a Mac. Because I have a Mac now and I can't use HDV split!

Seriously, this works really really well. The footage even plays in Premiere with no hiccups. I'm really happy!!!!

[Max Goldberg]

Okay, I made a whole new thread for CS5 as this is a pretty big update.

http://hv20.com/showthread.php?p=332488#post332488

[jakenbocker]

That's awesome about CS5. Wish I could afford it right now, but I just got CS4 not long ago and it's a student version so i can't upgrade.

I was wondering if anyone still using CS4 knows the answer to dbrucks's post from above. It was never answered, and I have the exact same question. If anyone could help me out that would be awesome! Here is his post:

Basically the majority of my 4 tapes of footage is 24P, but certain shots I switched to 60i because I plan to turn into slo mo. I plan to do post-production work in Premiere Pro CS3, AE CS4, and Magic Bullet Colorista. I'm completely overwhelmed by what workflow to use - what timelines to use, in which programs, and when; what order the workflow should follow; should the 60i clips be kept separate from the 24P clips until the very end; when to remove pulldown (best option seems to be this thread's -> after editing in Premiere, bring the project into AE to remove pulldown but I HAVE CS3 FOR PREMIERE AND CS4 FOR AE --> IS THIS A PROBLEM??); when to mix the sound (some people mention losing audio with certain workflows).

This is only an 8 or so minute short but considering all the post-production work I'll have to do it's going to take a long time to edit, and I don't want to follow an incorrect workflow that requires me to start all over again after 3 weeks of work because of something silly I overlooked. I've heard people say playback won't look right during editing, only at the final output will the image look correct, so how will I know before this point if my process is going to wind up looking good or crappy?

Everything about his post applies to me, especially the part about integrating both 24pf and 60i into a single project. This only difference is the fact that both my PPRO and AE are from CS4, so there shouldn't be an issue there. I'm mainly concerned with the part about doing everything right the first time, because it would be horrific to edit a project down to the finest detail just to find out that something was overlooked in the process, requiring a do-over. Please, if anyone can clear this up, that would be awesome. Keep this thread going people! It's one of the most helpful I've found on this forum!