Removing Pulldown AFTER Editing Using CS3

[Khaver]

It's called conforming. If your project's final format will be 24p, for the best editing workflow you should get all your footage to a single 24p intermediate format. That means removing pulldown on the 24pf and converting the 60i to 24p slo-mo before editing. Be sure the intermediates are loss-less (Huffyuv, UT, etc.) or near loss-less (Cineform, etc.).

If your project will be 60i, you should be able to mix the 24pf and 60i footage without an intermediate. Just be aware the 24pf footage will look different than the 60i footage.

[jakenbocker]

It's called conforming. If your project's final format will be 24p, for the best editing workflow you should get all your footage to a single 24p intermediate format. That means removing pulldown on the 24pf and converting the 60i to 24p slo-mo before editing. Be sure the intermediates are loss-less (Huffyuv, UT, etc.) or near loss-less (Cineform, etc.).

If your project will be 60i, you should be able to mix the 24pf and 60i footage without an intermediate. Just be aware the 24pf footage will look different than the 60i footage.

Okay, great, that clears up a lot. Just curious though (since some threads like this one give information overload), what part of the original method on this thread won't work for my purposes? I know that Max was doing pulldown after editing via opening up a Premiere project in After Effects. Is it because I have to combine both 24pf (removing pulldown) and 60i (converting to 24p slow motion) that this workflow won't work for me? I really like the idea of not having the intermediate codec if I don't have to, which the workflow in this thread allows and also it seems to be quite a timesaver. But obviously, if you're recommending the conforming alternative, you must have seen something in that workflow that wouldn't work for my purposes, correct?

So overall, why won't the workflow specified work for me? I don't just like to know it won't, I like to know WHY it won't work. Thanks for your response, Khaver!

[Khaver]

If you want to use the method shown on the first post including your 60i slo-mo, there are several ways you could do this. First, convert your 60i to 24p slo-mo wrapped back into 60i and use the method on all your clips. Or do it in several sections excluding your 60i slo-mo. Convert you 60i to 24p slo-mo and add that into your AE project after you change the composition to 23.976.

I don't have PPro or AE so I'm not sure how well this would work.

I always use intermediates since it's the best way to insure all clips will live happily together in your editor. (Set up a batch conversion at night and wake up to a hard drive full of intermediates)

[jakenbocker]

Very interesting. I will keep those in mind, Khaver, although you appear to be an 'intermediate file' kind of guy, and I'm trying to avoid that as much as possible since it seems to be allowed with CS4 and CS5, and I want to take advantage of it. I have several ideas right now as to the workflow of my project. The main thing is being able to efficiently integrate 60i-24p converted slow-mo with 24p footage with pulldown removed. Here my current options:

1) Edit my entire project within Premiere Pro, both 60i and 24pf clips, minus titles/transitions. After each 60i clip, I would leave a signifcant space before the next clip in the sequence. Then, open up the project in After Effects, and apply the homomech pulldown removal script. Next, I would go through the process of converting the 60i footage to 24p slow-mo, which will fill in the spaces I left in editing in Premiere. Change the comp to 24p, add any titles/transitions I want within After Effects, color correct, and I'm good to export my final project.

2) Do everything the same, EXCEPT leave out the 60i footage until I get into After Effects, where I then insert/convert clips where needed. Export from After Effects.

3) Edit entire project like in the first option, and use Dynamic Link to open the project within After Effects. All changes including pulldown removal, slow-mo conversion, and color correcting are done, which immediately show up in the Premiere timeline. Add titles and transitions within Premiere, and export.

These are my three options I'm trying to decide between. I am definitely aiming for no rendering/intermediate files between programs if I don't need to, since it definitely appears to be possible. If anyone sees any flaws in any of these options, please post them ASAP so I don't begin a massive project and then find out IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. We all know how much that sucks. Thanks!

[jakenbocker]

Just realized my posts were getting a little off-track from the original topic, which is about removing pulldown from 24pf footage in Premiere Pro, rather than an effective overall workflow. However, so nobody is left hanging, here is the link to a thread about a few workflow ideas that I'm going to try. Take special note of ECUdude's tips and workflow. I'm going to try it out and see if it works for me. Happy editing!

http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?3...nk-work-for-me