Going to be shooting a project probably in 4 or 5 months. Anything on the horizon I should look forward to?
Thanks!
Any new cams coming out soon that could give hv30 run for money?
Going to be shooting a project probably in 4 or 5 months. Anything on the horizon I should look forward to
Thanks!
I have my eye set on the HF11 - 24Mbit AVC - Flash-based recording (no more tape or motor noise - Hard Disk-less version) sounds lucrative to me...
the Panasonic's HS100 turned out to have lower quality video that we'd like, Canon is still king... Manual controls on the HS100 are more elaborate though
Worth waiting I'd say. the HF100 was reported to have comparable (though still inferior mostly) quality to the HV20/30, though the gap is being tightly shut...
hf11 & hg21 is on sale in japan. though the 37mm thread & lack of physical manual controls turns me off. hope it performs well or better than hv20.
Doesnt the hg21 have the same 43mm thread as the hg10 and hv30? Looking at the body, it looks similar to the hv30 design.Originally Posted by dcloud
Do you happen to know the current price in Japan?
The HG21 is 37mm
Details on new Canon Camcorder Models
http://cweb.canon.jp/pdf-catalog/dv/pdf/ivis-july.pdf
HF11
http://tinyurl.com/6yz24b
HG21
http://tinyurl.com/5mbven
What bothers me is on both the HF11 and HG21 - the Composite A/V Out is OUT only - they killed the chance of using the Camcorder as a VCR for recording external video, or external helmut cameras.
The only functional external input is the Mic.
Last edited by elantric; 2008 July 29th at 13:24.
True. That is the downfall to the HF11 and HG21 camcorders.
-Kyle
Ugh, the HG21 also uses the same battery as the HF100.
Not worth the trouble of buying more step up rings and batteries for hf11 or hg21.
I guess imma buy another hv30 instead.
The HF10/100 only record HD so composite input would be pointless since composite is an SD only format. A USB or HDMI input would be interesting though.
today released in japan
hf11 and hg21 from $1300/1 ea
3 months later prices go %50 off in japan and disappear in market ,too
I'd say give it some time. I can't see Canon leaving it up to these two cams...At the rate they are going I bet they will announce something later this year with basically the same specs as the HV20 but AVCHD.
No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life...Albert Einstein
There's no guarantee that the HF11 and HG21 will be released in the U.S...
Good, combine net's post and Ian-T's post and we get a better camera in America that has a 43mm threading and uses the same battery as the hv20/30!
I promise to buy 2!
I'm obviously missing a point: Wouldn't a stepup ring solve the 37mm problem? does it co-relate with other features of the cam?
yes it does. 37 also means the threads are more prone to stress when attaching an adapter on it. also less DOF. my main issue still is the manual controls.
give me an hv30 in solid state format.. or hv30 in a hs100body yeahhh
Last edited by dcloud; 2008 August 7th at 08:16.
Yeah... Speaking of DOF...as dcloud suggested...it will not be as shallow as the HV20 because sensor is not quite as big. I'll take a bigger sensor ....or one the size of the HV20/30. It's cool to have the ability to blur the background with a naked HV20/30. PLus ...no focus wheel..... why?
Edit: Seriously though....with the types of cameras coming out nowadays...all we really need is a compact recorder (like cineform's idea..and Convergent Design )....to where we can record out of the HDMI... This would make the HV20/30 much better than anything that is coming out.
No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life...Albert Einstein
I can see a lot of HV20/30 owners adding the Scarlet to their video toolbag. Sounds like a great camera especially with a 35mm adapter added on.
Right...give me a Scarlet and a "hacked' HV20 as a 'B" cam...and no one can tell me anything,...ha ha.
No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life...Albert Einstein
it just costs 3x more than an hv20
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw...s=hg21&x=0&y=0
Actually, I wrote that after Canon told me a couple of weeks ago that the info about the HF11 will be available "when" and "if" it is released in the US.
hg 10 batarry can be used in hg21? any info?
I'm thinking that pretty soon you'll easily be able to pick up a new HV20 for <$500 (if you can find them) and that's a pretty difficult price to beat.
With regards to Scarlett, some days I think about how amazing it is (on paper) and want to get one launch day. Other days, I think about how I could use SIX HV20/30s with and without DOF adapters (approximately the same price as a Scarlett come Spring 2009) and it makes the decision to buy a Scarlett right away a little more difficult. Not because the Scarlett isn't going to look a zillion times better (if REDone and Scarlett's specs are any indication, it will, hands down), but because in the first 6-12mths there's gonna be a boatload of trail and error... new firmwares, working kinks out, getting the workflow going properly, etc.
So there's a certain easiness to getting something that works and is completely compatible right out of the box with no issues (especially for consumer/home use). IN EITHER CASE, I'd probably wait the 4 or 5 months as the price of the HV20/30 will undoubtedly go down or new/better cameras will become available.... Of course, if you want to do tests/experiments before your project, these next couple of months could be spent with the HV20/30 (and be considered invaluable as far as learning is concerned).
-Rogue5-
True...but think about it.. You can spend a few thousand...even more...to get a camera with all the latest features... But it will still be compressed video....with its own compression artifacts. Also...more likely it will be 4:2:0 colors. But if you outfit an HV20 with one of these compact recorders...you will get 4:2:2 uncompressed...and a sharper looking video.it just costs 3x more than an hv20
No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life...Albert Einstein
Um, what the hell do you all need a scarlet for? Using a scarlet to shoot your home movies or weddings is probably a bit of overkill. With only 4 entries in the HV20/30 short contest in this forum is pretty obvious no one is using their camera's for filmmaking.
Well I shoot with two HV20's - but being the hired gun I'm not allowed to share the footage, as it violates terms of the content owner's contract with me.
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