They can coexist, but I'm quite sure Apple removed the download of iMovie HD from their site once they came out with iMovie 09. You'll have to find it on eBay or something like that. iMovie 06, from what I hear, is better than 08 and maybe even 09.
They can coexist, but I'm quite sure Apple removed the download of iMovie HD from their site once they came out with iMovie 09. You'll have to find it on eBay or something like that. iMovie 06, from what I hear, is better than 08 and maybe even 09.
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iThinkergoiMac, yes, I'm very disappointed to have bought an iMac 24" with iMovie 8. No download of version 6 and iMovie 8 is a no-no. Apple didn't keep its promise to provide new owner of iMovie 8 with a free download of iMovie HD6Originally Posted by iThinkergoiMac
http://www.macworld.com/article/5941.../imoviehd.html
Can you or anyone here advise on whether I should start backing up tapes with iMovie 8 or Sony Vegas? I'm not sure whether I will go the route of FCE or FCP in the future. I figure I will need to know the pros and cons.
First, I will need to make a decision on whether to purchase the storage media for Windows or Mac. Then, I will have to spend time on the capture process. Phew, I really think it will be a humongous task but I hope you all can help by sharing your experience. Thanks.
Regards
Actually, they did. But they removed it when iMovie 09 came out because it reincorporated most (but not all) of the features that were missing in 08. Which makes sense, I guess.
While I don't know anything about Vegas, if you know you're going to be using either FCE or FCP, then iMovie will be your best bet. It will save your movies in Apple Intermediate Codec (AIC) which plays quite nicely with FCP and is pretty much your only option for FCE.Can you or anyone here advise on whether I should start backing up tapes with iMovie 8 or Sony Vegas? I'm not sure whether I will go the route of FCE or FCP in the future. I figure I will need to know the pros and cons.
Yes yes yes. External hard drives are a must. Personally, for me, I have 2 500 GB drives that I use for all my important video/graphics related work, and I mirror them at the end of each session. I have had too many friends lose everything from a hard drive failure. Of course, since you have a fairly new iMac, I'm willing to bet you've got at least 250 GB of space, so you could probably just buy one big external drive (500+ GB) and use TimeMachine to back everything up from your internal drive. Or, if you don't have Leopard, you could use Carbon Copy Cloner. If you do work on Windows, buy another hard drive for Windows. The drive formats aren't compatible and if you use the one that is (FAT32), you'll be limited to files smaller than 4 GB, which isn't practical for the video world.First, I will need to make a decision on whether to purchase the storage media for Windows or Mac. Then, I will have to spend time on the capture process. Phew, I really think it will be a humongous task but I hope you all can help by sharing your experience. Thanks.
If you shot HDV, like I'm assuming you have, using iMovie 08 will automatically split your clips at each start/stop, which makes things a little easier, at least.
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i was just reading through and i realized i have a ilife 06 dvd that i don't need. if you'd like it, drop me a line. I'll be glad to send it to you. all i would ask is for you to pay postage, or a small donation
Really, I don't understand why Apple still ships iMovie 08 on new machines. I have called Apple telephone support. I have requested (using a milder word here) to downgrade to iMovie 6, yet they told me it was obsoleted and replaced with iMovie 9. It is obvious to me if apple do not downgrade to iMovie 6, then it should do a free upgrade to iMovie 9. There is simply no excuse for what has been promised or 'untitlement' for new iMovie 8 users.
If I will go with apple, then the natural path will be direct to FCS2. I'm undecided that's why I would like to try out more editing functions with iMovie 6.While I don't know anything about Vegas, if you know you're going to be using either FCE or FCP, then iMovie will be your best bet. It will save your movies in Apple Intermediate Codec (AIC) which plays quite nicely with FCP and is pretty much your only option for FCE.
I was surprise WD My passport studio is FAT32? WD for mac has only usb2 and not firewire 400/800. Is it usb2 faster than firewire 400? The iMac comes with 930GB so it's more than enough for the time being. I gave it a thought and decided to hold off any purchase of external HDD for mac and work with the internal one until thing become clearer.Yes yes yes. External hard drives are a must. Personally, for me, I have 2 500 GB drives that I use for all my important video/graphics related work, and I mirror them at the end of each session. I have had too many friends lose everything from a hard drive failure. Of course, since you have a fairly new iMac, I'm willing to bet you've got at least 250 GB of space, so you could probably just buy one big external drive (500+ GB) and use TimeMachine to back everything up from your internal drive. Or, if you don't have Leopard, you could use Carbon Copy Cloner. If you do work on Windows, buy another hard drive for Windows. The drive formats aren't compatible and if you use the one that is (FAT32), you'll be limited to files smaller than 4 GB, which isn't practical for the video world.
Yes, this will solve Vegas problem. Vegas allows to do sound editing but not iMovie 8?If you shot HDV, like I'm assuming you have, using iMovie 08 will automatically split your clips at each start/stop, which makes things a little easier, at least.
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dearcatastrophe, thanks, I've sent you a pm. Regardsi was just reading through and i realized i have a ilife 06 dvd that i don't need. if you'd like it, drop me a line. I'll be glad to send it to you. all i would ask is for you to pay postage, or a small donation
Apple doesn't ship iMovie 08 on new machines. From the moment iLife 09 came out, it's been shipping on new machines. Are you sure you have 08? If you select iMovie in the Finder and get info on it (cmd i) you can look at which version it is. If you got iLife 08 on a brand new (not refurbished) iMac after iLife 09 came out, then you shouldn't have gotten 08 and you should contact Apple about that.
Apple is under no obligation to provide free software upgrades to their customers. In fact, they are under no obligation to provide free software downgrades, though that one makes a lot more sense. Apple completely redesigned iMovie 08, so it makes sense that it is missing a lot of features, so they very graciously offered the free downgrade of 06. But once they came out with 09, just because it's better, doesn't mean they have to offer it for free.
I'm not surprised at all that it's FAT32, since that makes it easier to go between machines. If you want, you can use Disk Utility to reformat it HFS+ which is the Mac format. USB 2 has a higher transfer rate than FW400, but it can't sustain it. So, for larger files like video, FW400 is definitely faster.I was surprise WD My passport studio is FAT32? WD for mac has only usb2 and not firewire 400/800. Is it usb2 faster than firewire 400? The iMac comes with 930GB so it's more than enough for the time being. I gave it a thought and decided to hold off any purchase of external HDD for mac and work with the internal one until thing become clearer.
While it is, of course, your decision to do what you want about an external, I would consider the cost of an external vs the cost of losing everything on your internal should it suddenly die. I can't remember the statistic, but I think it's something like 1 in every 20 hard drives manufactured fails testing at the factory. If you have a brand new iMac (really really new), it should have FW800, which makes for very fast connection speeds.
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iThinkergoiMac, I've gotten over it...and try to live a happy life and enjoy the movie making experience whether with iMovie or what not. Thanks for the advise.
Regards
IMOVIE and FCE 4
I have imovie 09 and Final cut express 4 (for hd). Both are awesome and can be used together for big projects. If all you need is a simple music video or an assemble editing project, go with I-movie 09. If you need a news story or documentary or something that requires layering go with Final Cut Express 4. In all reality unless your professionally making a big movie you dont need Final cut pro. Final cut express-$200 Final cut pro like 1400!
Absolutely right. I don't see why you'd go direct to Final Cut Studio unless you're making an indie-film production, work with multi-cam setups, or are planning to do 3D motion graphics with Motion, as the interface and almost all of the features are identical. You even get the plus of being able to import iMovie '08 projects (thought I don't think you'll be using that) that Final Cut Pro doesn't have. I might have misunderstand your point, though, so I apologize if I have.
I'm new to editing HD in mac. I did some editing in Vegas platinum 8.0 which allows me to do quite a number of AWESOME special effects...
I don't want to get caught having spent US$200 and then decided to spent another US$1200 to satisfy that special needs. I did import iMovie '08 and I ain't impressed at all. I'm a fool to say this, 'there is no need to edit in iMovie '08!'
Yes, my new machine is a refurbished and equipped with iMovie 8. It's sad the machine is now not used for editing purpose although the h/w spec can handle the work.
For now, everything is if...if I purchase a FCE or FCS2, maybe I will go into the edit part with mac.
Thanks for advise given.
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Recently, I purchased an external WD HD home essential 320GB and format to Mac extended. I import via iMovie '08 direct to the external hdd using USB2. Guess what, there was lagging factor where the capture slow while trying writing directly to the external hdd.
On the vegas, I did the same method and yet the vegas could handle writing directly to the external hdd without lagging. I guess that's is alot of things I have yet to learn.
Can someone comment on this?
Most likely, it's because your external drive is USB 2, which doesn't have the bandwidth. Vegas may have done something to cover it up, I don't know. The other likely issue is that iMovie '08 (all version of iMovie that support HDV, really) transcodes the video from HDV to AIC on the fly. If your computer can't handle doing it in real time, it will lag. Get a firewire drive, it's an absolute necessity if you really want to work with video, and it will help a lot with the lag factor. If your machine has a FW800 port, definitely get a FW800 drive, that will be a massive improvement over USB2 and FW400.
The logic behind my statements about firewire is essentially this: USB 2 has a rated speed of 480 Mbps and FW400 has a rate of 400 Mbps (that's megabits, not megabytes). However, USB 2 can keep the speed up, and after the initial burst of speed, it slows way down. Firewire doesn't do that, which makes it much faster for moving around large files, such as video files. FW800 is rated at 800 Mbps, and it's quite fast.
FCS2 has the ability to directly edit HDV, and you would likely not hit the lag issue. Even FCE still transcodes to AIC. AIC is faster to edit with, and still the same quality, which is why FCE and iMovie do it.
Having a faster drive would help with the lag, though it may not eliminate it altogether. It also helps to have FW because transferring on USB takes specific processor governance and FW doesn't, leaving that much more power for transcoding. It really depends on how fast your computer is. I have an old PowerBook G4 (1.25 GHz) and so there's definite lag, but it is less pronounced when I import straight to a FW800 drive. Alternatively, you could import to your internal drive and then manually move it to your external. Fun fact: if you hold down the command (apple) key while moving something to an external drive, it will move it there instead of copying it there, essentially copying it to the external and deleting it off the internal in one action.
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imovie '06
Here's the official free link to Apple's iMovie '06 software:
http://support.apple.com/downloads/iMovie_HD_6_0_3
No, that's not. It's just the latest update for iMovie 06. If you even looked at the page, you'd see that it very clearly says it's an update. At the bottom it says it will check to see if iMovie 6.0.2 is installed and if it is not, it will not install.
Apple has removed iMovie 06 free download since they came out with iMovie 09. Deal with it.
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imovie vs. final cut
I currently edit my HV20 footage using imovie 06. I have to say that I am really not happy with the output when edited footage is put back to tape. The quality is degraded, some scenes ficker or shimmer after editing , there are motion issues (stuttering movements) and sound/picture synchronization problems.
I have read that imovie converts HDV to an editing format that can lead to quality degradation. Can anyone using Final Cut Pro confirm that such issues do not ocur with the more expensive package?
Tim G
Hi Tim.
Final Cut Studio has a product, Compressor, among the suite that does transcoding. You're in full control of what codec you use when you're using FCP. (Well, full control inside the list of codecs FCP supports, of course.)
iMovie does convert to AIC, but it shouldn't create the issues you are seeing. What settings are you using on the camera?
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I shoot standard HDV on auto. Played through the TV (full HD plasma) directly from the camera everything is fine. The issues I describe seem to be the result of passing the footage through iMovie, editing (cutting) and transferring back to tape. My computer runs OSX 10.4.11 ans I am using a an Imac (2.0 GHz Intel Core Duo). The problems with stuttering and synchronization are rare and seem to occur at the same position in a sequence. That means reimporting it does not help and it seems to be common near the end of a filmed sequence.
However, the general loss in quality is for all footage. In addition to flimmer (particularly in foliage), I also see strange, split second flashes in some frames.
Tim G
How do you know there is a general loss of quality? What you see on your TV will look better than what you see on the computer, but that has to do with how the TV displays video. The only way to see if AIC is the culprit is to import into a different format, ideally using FCP to import just HDV.
iMovie could be the culprit, is it updated to the latest version?
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I am using iMovieHD (6.0.3)
I see the difference in quality simply by comparing the original footage with the edited footage on the TV (after exporting back to tape from the Mac) or by directly playing the m2t file on the PlayStation
Tim G
very interesting thread
I'm at the moment doing a little research before buying a new computer and soft for editing, so I have a straight question (since almost all has already been said here, thanks to you guys :-)
what can I do in FCP that I CAN'T in FCE4 ? (besides complex soundtrack editing and 3d, just the editing and color correction stuff)
"Final Cut Express's interface is identical to that of Final Cut Pro, but lacks some film-specific features, including Cinema Tools, multi-cam editing, batch capture, and a timecode view. The program can perform 32 undo operations, while Final Cut Pro can do 99."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Cut_Express#Features
thanks for the "in a nutshell" reply :-)
I will try FCE4 and then when I actually NEED all those things maybe (just maybe) get the FCP
AIC causes some loss of quality, but it shouldn't be very much or very noticeable. I'm kind of stumped as to what could be causing the loss. Unless it has to do with your export settings, because that's another compression.
Also, if you're using iMovie, how did you get the original .m2t file?
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Thanks for your input concerning my problems.
If you share the movie and select output to tape, its possible to save the file for transfer to tape at a later time. That m2t file can be transferred to a USB stick and played directly on the Playstation. I use this method to check the project before realtime output to tape-
Tim G
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