Because money is not an object?Originally Posted by cgbier
Because money is not an object?
Steve went bearing gifts.
Depends on whom you talk about.Does it astound you that the two most brilliant scientific minds of the past 400 years believed in a Creator?
However, there is a difference between believing in god and postulate the earth is 6000 years old, and believe in god and stick to the scientific method.
"It is dark the other side. Very dark!" - "Oh, shut up and eat your toast!"
Dude, that's an ad hominem again. Please don't.
*Balanced audio hack* *Variable ND filters* *HV20 vs. Film* "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." (George Orwell: Animal Farm)
You mean he pushed the old man from his place and took over? I wouldn't be amazed.
"It is dark the other side. Very dark!" - "Oh, shut up and eat your toast!"
Believing in God is believing in God. I am talking about an intelligent Creator of the universe (and all that exists within.)
Let's not start mixing things up (you talk about the age of the Earth.) I've already said the Bible is not a science book, if for no other reason that there didn't even exist a suitable vocabulary to describe the concepts you would expect from a modern science book.
What Ian is saying is that he thinks Bob is a joker that is up to no good and likes to stir trouble in the forum. What's ad hominem about that claim as long as it is true?
Just another day in the week.
I don't THINK religion is a bad thing.... I KNOW it's a bad thing. Having a personal belief in God is one thing, but quoting and thumping the bible where ever you go.... well... you show me a person like that and I'll show you a person who's wound up pretty tight.I think you are too obsessed with religion being a bad thing.
And with that I bid you a good night.... errr actually... good morning.
You guys heard the story about Steve Jobs' last words, right?
Yes, that would be bliss. No Crips, no Taliban, no U.S. military or Mara Salvatrucha.
LOL. You forgot the Chupacabras and Frankenstein.Yes, that would be bliss. No Crips, no Taliban, no U.S. military or Mara Salvatrucha.
Ok, what I meant is I don't take a scientist serious who takes the bible word for word. I do NOT have a problem with a scientist who believes in a god, but doesn't let that interfere with his work.
I once nearly went on a ("science"-)teacher's throat because he answered "that's how god made them" when his students asked why an octopus changes its colors. Especially, after that mofo had taken it out of a no-take zone without permission.
Vocabulary? If there ain't one, then you can make it. Neither the Greek, or Egyptians, who had already a huge understanding of scientific concepts, nor the Arabs had problem with coming up with new names...
"It is dark the other side. Very dark!" - "Oh, shut up and eat your toast!"
Thinking that he also created Homo sapiens, I'm having my doubts about that intelligencean intelligent Creator of the universe
"It is dark the other side. Very dark!" - "Oh, shut up and eat your toast!"
But doesn't it surprise you that the two most brilliant scientific minds of the last 400 years believed in a Creator? You said you were astounded that I could believe in such a thing earlier. It sounds like you believe the idea of a Creator is ilogical.
As for the Bible, there are very good reasons why it is not meant to be a source of scientific knowledge.
Nobody is perfect.Thinking that he also created Homo sapiens, I'm having my doubts about that intelligence
No, it might surprise me, but that doesn't mean that I think bad of them or their work.
So Steven Hawkins and DaVinci?
"It is dark the other side. Very dark!" - "Oh, shut up and eat your toast!"
I really admire Bill Watterson. He knows how to make a point.
Hawkins isn't a believer, i dunno about Da Vinci. My list of top two might be Darwin and Einstein, neither of which believed in God.
*Balanced audio hack* *Variable ND filters* *HV20 vs. Film* "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." (George Orwell: Animal Farm)
He asked for the two most brilliant minds. This is rather subjective.... and difficult to answer. Hawking and DaVinci are mine.
How the heck did I come up with Hawkins?
"It is dark the other side. Very dark!" - "Oh, shut up and eat your toast!"
And that would be?
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
I think the thing most of you fail to understand in Bob's points is that he is talking in human perspective.
To us humans, 2 + 2 = 5, if we're taught so. Maybe the order of numbers in this hypothetical situation goes 1,2,4,5,3,6,7,8,9 instead of 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9. We would have no way to know. In that case, 2+2 = 5 would also be "universally" true.
The same goes to the cat: to us humans, it indeed has no definite color until it's observed. After that, we can say it was white all along.
Again, the same goes for the prisoner: to us humans, someone who has been convicted is a criminal, unless new evidence emerges and he's exonorated, regardless of the fact did he really commit the crime or not.
And to us humans a meteorite doesn't exist until it's observed. After it is, we can deduct that it did exist earlier too.
Finally, i'd like to link to Schrödinger's cat again, as the earlier link probably went unnoticed in the blurb of discussion. The interesting thing about this cat is that it is at the same time alive and dead, in a superposition, until we open the box it's in and observe.
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*Balanced audio hack* *Variable ND filters* *HV20 vs. Film* "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." (George Orwell: Animal Farm)
Sadie?
Everything that does not fit the definition of "Natural". It's not a difficult concept to understand. Or, at least is shouldn't be.
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Not difficult?
Well in that case you should be able to tell us what it is!!
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
Already did. If you fail to understand (or rather, deliberately lie that you do not as it seems to me), that's not my problem.
*Balanced audio hack* *Variable ND filters* *HV20 vs. Film* "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." (George Orwell: Animal Farm)
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