No, I don't. You are not stupid. But can you be honest?Originally Posted by Ian-T
No, I don't. You are not stupid. But can you be honest?
I've not lied to any of you in this thread. I don't know what else you are looking for, but God is my God. He's not an idol....if that's what you are aiming for.
No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life...Albert Einstein
Fanaticism always gets my attention. And that's what I've seen here. In fact, the most remarkable thing in this entire thread for me has been that it's the non-religious participants who have displayed the most intense feeling. They have been absolutely relentless! On average, the tone of the non-believers has been mildly, if not outright, hostile. Sarcasm, ridicule, satire are to be found somewhere in almost every post.
Of course, most of you have been shrewd enough to "sugar-coat" it whenever it seems politic to do so. But the tone comes through nonetheless.
On the other hand, the solitary guy who is the target of all this attention remains calm. He doesn't hit back, but he doesn't give in.
Look at it. This entire 6000-post thread is all about a bunch of guys with no personal religious convictions, trying to wear down one single guy who does have them.
I find that fascinating. Human nature in action. The shitty side of it, anyway.
Let me say this:
My God ---
the supernatural being conceived as the perfect and omnipotent and omniscient originator and ruler of the universe; the object of worship in monotheistic religions
Is different from this god:
a man of such superior qualities that he seems like a deity to other people; "he was a god among men"
idol: a material effigy that is worshipped; "thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image"; "money was his god"
No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life...Albert Einstein
You are being evasive. If you do love your god then you would say, 'Yes, there is only one God. My God!' You inference was the classic religious arrogance about your's being the true path, your god being the true god. It's an old argument - that hindus are misled heathens, muslims have gone wrong somewhere, and those pesky athiests will burn in hell.
Heh! Actually, I think it's an urban definition of "insanity".
EDIT: Yep, it is an Einstein quote, apparently.
Last edited by Jim E; 2011 March 9th at 20:21.
Yes, Ian. I understand that. But why do other religions say exactly the same even though their god is different. We only have one (known) universe, but a gazillion of creators.
"It is dark the other side. Very dark!" - "Oh, shut up and eat your toast!"
How many times and in how many ways more should I have said it for it to sink in? Dude, it's obvious that you asked your initial question just so you can say what i am now quoting. You were ABSOLUTELY correct earlier when you said that I'm not stupid.
No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life...Albert Einstein
How does me believing in my God make me an authority in world religion? How do you expect me to answer a question like this? It will go full circle to the many answers I've given before and then guess what? We would have learned nothing new.
This is exactly why I quoted Einstein.
No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life...Albert Einstein
...I expect to be accused of evading the question once more (in addition to the gazillion times before) in 5...4...3...2...1....
No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life...Albert Einstein
No, if you don't have an answer, that's fine.
How does me believing in my God make me an authority in world religion?
"It is dark the other side. Very dark!" - "Oh, shut up and eat your toast!"
CGBIER...do you think that a supreme being exists? If no are you certain?
No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life...Albert Einstein
I have an answer...it's all throughout this thread.
But to be more specific to your original question...no they (all other religions) are not saying the same. Not by a long shot. The problem is you (like many others) put every religion into one basket and label them as being the same.
No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life...Albert Einstein
To me it is not plausible, so, no, I don't think that it exists.
About every religion says that their god has created the universe, is the only real god, that their god's law is the right and only one, etc., so in an essence they all say the same. Only their content is different.But to be more specific to your original question...no they (all other religions) are not saying the same.
"It is dark the other side. Very dark!" - "Oh, shut up and eat your toast!"
This statement seems to be working againts itself.
No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life...Albert Einstein
Nope, they just have different opinions on the same topics.
"It is dark the other side. Very dark!" - "Oh, shut up and eat your toast!"
because...
No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life...Albert Einstein
Yeah, religions have come up to explain the (to that time) unexplainable, give behavior codices etc., so by their nature, they all talk about the same stuff. They just differ in their ideas how this world was created, either some god created it from nothing, he sneezed it out or it fell from the truck or whatever. Your behavior codex differs that from a Pacific islander, but and him, you base it on the codex given to you by your respective gods.
I don't know how to make it clearer what I mean.
"It is dark the other side. Very dark!" - "Oh, shut up and eat your toast!"
Then answer the question without the double talk. There are many gods but only one true god.... what the heck does that mean??? That has to be the most politically correct bit of nothingness I've heard yet.
Either you believe in one god or you believe in many. If you believe in only one (your god) then what do you say to all that believe THEIR god is the correct and only true one. Why are they wrong and you right? Why is YOUR god the correct one and what proof do you have that they're barking up the wrong tree?
The one thing I have noted time and time again with you is that you seem to be so concerned with people attempting to back you into a corner. You've even stated as much. Why does this concern you at all if you think you are correct???? IMO it goes hand in hand with your term "I believe.....". That's such a weak term for some one who is so sure. When people KNOW something to be true beyond a shadow of a doubt, they friggin well state it. When was the last time you heard someone say "I believe 2+2 is 4".
Last edited by Bob Sanders; 2011 March 9th at 22:36.
You don't read too well. That's the message I've been putting out. I won't answer something that i've answered a dozen times before. You know exacly what i mean by gods vs God. I think you are an angry man but I don't think you're stupid.
No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life...Albert Einstein
No you haven't answered it. You have done nothing but talk out of the side of your mouth when this comes up. Then you claim you haven't lied about anything. Okay... maybe you haven't lied... but you sure haven't delivered anything other than a politician's answer on the subject.
Then I promise you to be an extremely sad judge of character.I think you are an angry man
ok
good night bob
No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life...Albert Einstein
So that's it?
Let's go back up to Mr. Benway's statements...
"You're being evasive"
"..... Can you be honest...."
You see Ian... I'm not the only one reading the cards the way I am.
Maybe I appear angry to you... but you in turn appear quite weak-kneed to me. You appear as someone who lacks the very conviction you claim you have.
If you TRULY believe in what you're saying... then bloody well stand up and say it clearly and concisely for all to understand. Say it with out the 'back-door' terminology... otherwise guy.... you're nothing more than a common hypocrite.
Lol, CG, do you see what you've just done? You've just suggested that if there is a god, then there is very likely only one of him, and the only reason that there seem to be many gods is that each race/culture thinks of this one god in their own culturally-specific way.
What you said about "different religions saying the same thing" could lead to the conclusion that each and every one of these different manifestations of god is very likely just the exact same god every time. Same face, same talk, same walk, same mole on the left cheek - exact same guy.
And the only reason it appears that there are a lot of different religions worshipping "different" gods, is that there are a lot of different races and cultures on the planet, all using different languages, and with their own unique way of visualising things that they can't see.
In fact, the only thing they all agree on is that their god is the only god... and, if what you've just said is so, (and it evidently is), they're all absolutely right!
Hey, congrats, CG! I think you've just removed one of the biggest obstacles to religious credibility in the world.
Yeah... that's always your answer when the going gets tough.... run away. Praise the Lord for giving you such strength.
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