Sure you do. Remember this, I do?Originally Posted by Bob Sanders
CheckmateOriginally Posted by HueyNRolf
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The two dots you have used Hue actually denotes a RATIO. Last time I looked it was 5 POINT 1 sound... not 5 TO 1 sound
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
That's the way you see it? Okay... fine with me.Sure you do. Remember this, I do?
Checkmate
No you brought it up. Pulling me on punctuation. I'm just showing that any fool can do that, you F'n hypocrite.
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
And if you feel better to believe that then by all means... help yourself
So now religion is forced, not learned? Actually, by your logic: Religion (A) is a cult (B). A cult (B) stands for ideas that were forced, not learned (C). A=B, B=C, then A=C. Therefore, according to you, religion is always forced, never learned (because religion is always a cult).
What if I tell you that, though I grew up in a religious family, it was never forced? What if I tell you that I chose it of my own free will? What do you have to say to that?
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It isn't about belief. You've proven yourself to be an utter kunt, many times. I have all the proof I need.
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
Feel better now?
yes... I believe it is.
Of the religions people I know, there are 2 kinds. The first are the ones who have had it rammed down their throat since child birth... a forced venture brought on by the parents and the second has been forced by circumstance. They are so low and so hurt for one reason or another they have little choice but to reach and grab any branch that happens along. That's usually some door-to-door bible salesman or some friend who actually thinks they're doing you a favor by leading you down this slippery slope. You all get into a room full of others in the same boat all yelling PRAISE THE LORD!! and singing hymns and more yelling PRAISE THE LORD!! and of course this all makes you feel better.... at which point it becomes a drug much like heroin
Now... are there exceptions to the rule? Sure there are... there always is but then exceptions always account for a wee tiny percentage. You tell me you chose this of your own free will. I would say to you that I think that YOU truly think you chose it of your own free will... but I would be willing to bet there was an influence that you're either blocking out... or at least refuse to acknowledge either consciously or subconsciously for what ever reason
Umm, Bob, "credence" means "belief" or "believability".... and...um... this thread is all about peoples' beliefs.....
Isn't that exactly what I just pointed out to you, Bob?!!!Let me ask you... Do you really believe anything will actually come of this thread? Do you really believe that one morning Ian will wake up and say " Oh Gee.... you're right... this is all a fairy tale? Or to the other extreme I will at some point declare that I see the light and God is beautiful??
Hence my remark, "I don't get why you persist."What this thread is all about is the believers standing there saying God is beautiful and the non believers standing there saying no...and you're silly for believing in it..... and then throwing various rocks at each other because there really isn't much else you can do in a situation like this.
Is that what you think people are like? Or is that just what you'd say, Bob, if you only had "little rocks" to throw? In other words, if you didn't have your weapon of home-made cynicism.Now some don't like throwing big rocks, so they throw little ones. Obviously I like the bigger rocks because they get the job done better. But for those who like the little rocks I would suggest it to be a bit of a fence-sitting proposition. When somebody's nose gets bloodied the people with the little rocks can always stand back and say.... "it wasn't me!"
Do you think the people who are standing their ground against your "big rocks" and only throwing back little rocks, are doing that just to make you throw bigger rocks? Or is your reference to "throwing little rocks" simply an insult directed at me? Would it be too difficult for you to believe that some people, like me, choose not to throw "big rocks" because we don't want to?
Christ, man, you still don't get it!!!!! I never said anything about anybody's nose getting bloodied. That's your favoured terminology, not mine. Apparently you see this debate as a battleground of some sort.Now.... there is something that keeps drawing Ian into this rock throwing contest. What it is I have no idea because no one is forcing him into this. He is partaking of his own free will and only he in his heart can answer why he is here. In other words Ian has to have thick skin for his own reasons.... not mine. If Ian's nose gets bloodied then one would have to ask why he was in a rock throwing contest to begin with.
I don't think Ian has had his nose bloodied one little bit. You seem to think your "big rocks" are actually hitting someone. I've been trying to get across to you that the only damage they're doing is to yourself.
Don't get me wrong - I'm not playing "Rescuer" here. This is the internet, you're just a Username, you only exist to me as typing on a computer screen. So don't get the notion that I give a sh*t, either about you or about your "hostility outlet", which is the role Ian is playing at the moment. All I did was give you my opinion of what's going on here. I started with you, because you're the one who's yelling the loudest.
See, I think "rock-throwing" is not what's happening here, Bob. This is about you peeking your head over the trench to see if somebody will throw a really big rock at you.
You react to the things that Ian writes, even if it's not addressed to you personally. I think it turns on all your circuits, and you muster your best rhetoric and your most finely-honed insults and you proceed to have a great old time, frothing at the mouth and writing your withering prose and at the end of it you feel good. Any misgivings about your discourtesy or callous disregard or superiority are quickly metaphored away by quoting platitudinous disclaimers such as "If Ian's nose gets bloodied then one would have to ask why he was in a rock throwing contest to begin with."
That's a bit too glib, Bob. And you know what else? There's a hint about your possible motives contained in it. I think it would suggest, to a trained observer, that you are actually quite ambivalent about this subject of religion. Let's face it, you've put yourself right out there at the front lines, virtually alone, with nobody watching your back, throwing your "big rocks" and firing off the very best invective in your arsenal. That could be seen as someone who's daring someone to throw an even bigger rock back at him, and to knock him down with it. Why? I don't know... put you out of your misery, maybe? Nobody's more miserable than a guy who isn't exactly sure what he believes. Nothing to fall back on, you see, when Life knocks you over, as it always will.
So, you excuse your continued relish for throwing "big rocks" at people by attributing it to your "disgust" with their beliefs, but you attribute Ian's continued involvement in it to his poor judgement. Ever occur to you that people like Ian are just as disgusted by the beliefs of people like you, only they don't throw "big rocks" because they really do respect other people, and they know how to show it?Me.... clearly my disgust for this topic keeps drawing me in..... and the size of the rocks I throw seems to be of great interest to those throwing the smaller ones.
What, do you really think you've been accorded carte blanche to post your outrageously insulting and demeaning comments to Ian and his buddies without getting the same back from him, just because his god won't let him?
I think you know very well that you're going way past the boundaries of good taste and common courtesy, and it enrages you that your targets won't even try to stop you, because they choose not to. They exhibit the self-control that you seem to lack. That probably pi$$es you off, because of the disdain in which you hold "believers". They can't possibly have more restraint and social courtesy than you, because they're fools who believe in "fairy tales", whereas you aren't fooled by all that. You're "right".
Let's try a little pop psychology on you, see if it rings any bells... You write these glib, cruel, biting comments about the things that these people love and respect, simply to show how cruel you are - to get a reaction - to goad somebody into a response - to provoke somebody to throw a really big rock at you and thus end your angry crusade and... solve your problem, perhaps?
My excuse? I don't need to give you an excuse, Bob. My continuing interest in this debate is my business, not yours. If you read back, I already said I didn't want to join in this bunfight in the first place. But I'm still here, and I don't need to give you an excuse for that. Maybe you'll just have to figure it out. Hint: I'm only arguing with Bob Sanders....Sooo.... what's your excuse? And please don't tell me this is a "learning experience". If you haven't learned after 182 pages of this nonsense... then you will never.
Credence can also mean CREDIBILITY.
In one sentence you say I'm peeking my head over the trench and yet in another you say I'm right out there daring somebody to throw a bigger rock. Now I don't know.... maybe it's just me... but that does seem to be a bit contradictory.This is about you peeking your head over the trench to see if somebody will throw a really big rock at you.
We already made it clear in the previous post that YOU were LOOKING for a response. You were discussing to hue how I hadn't read your words yet. I actually did read it MANY hours prior to your conversation with hue. Now you couldn't have known I did read it... but the point is you and hue were sitting around waiting (almost wanting it appeared) for me to pop in and respond. I on the other hand DIDN'T BOTHER responding until it was clear "people" were waiting.to goad somebody into a response
Now.... who exactly is goading who?
"They" do?? tell me... have you gone back and read your words... they sound pretty angry to me.They exhibit the self-control that you seem to lack.
Contrary to popular belief I don't get a kick out of pissing people off... in fact I don't even think about it... but if I do, is that really all my fault? Tell me... at what do you think others should stand and take responsibility for their own actions? I mean if you don't like the words the ultimate power is in your own hands.... just stop reading. It's really quite simple!
And I don't need to give you an explanation either... I do it merely to be cordialMy excuse? I don't need to give you an excuse,
Bob, when I used the word "credence", I was talking about your believability, your credibility ... "People don't give much credence to misfits." I presumed you wanted to be heard and your views considered. I merely tried to remind you of something that I'm sure you knew.
Actually, it wasn't in "one sentence", Bob. Those comments were two paragraphs apart from each other... but anyway... There is no contradiction. A person who puts himself at the front lines is right out there. Peeking over the parapets is simply making himself an easier target.In one sentence you say I'm peeking my head over the trench and yet in another you say I'm right out there daring somebody to throw a bigger rock. Now I don't know.... maybe it's just me... but that does seem to be a bit contradictory.
In the post you're referring to, I wrote this, "So, really, no matter how right I think you are in your specific points, I have to admit I think that you, (and I) are making one big fundamental mistake here - we're forgetting that we're arguing with people who, in terms of vulnerability and humanity, are no different than ourselves."We already made it clear in the previous post that YOU were LOOKING for a response. You were discussing to hue how I hadn't read your words yet. I actually did read it MANY hours prior to your conversation with hue. Now you couldn't have known I did read it... but the point is you and hue were sitting around waiting (almost wanting it appeared) for me to pop in and respond. I on the other hand DIDN'T BOTHER responding until it was clear "people" were waiting.
Now.... who exactly is goading who?
And that's "goading" in your lexicon? Really, Bob.......
That's because they are angry, Bob. And by the way, I'm not speaking for the believers, as you surely know. You're either being deliberately obtuse, or you're playing the recalcitrant a$$hole just for the hell of it. Either way, you're making me angry."They" do?? tell me... have you gone back and read your words... they sound pretty angry to me.
Take your own advice, Bob. If you don't like religion or any beliefs or opinions that don't coincide with your own, just stop reading. It really is "all your fault". You launched this crusade against those accursed "fidels", but now you're denying responsibility and even trying to palm it off onto me.Contrary to popular belief I don't get a kick out of pissing people off... in fact I don't even think about it... but if I do, is that really all my fault? Tell me... at what do you think others should stand and take responsibility for their own actions? I mean if you don't like the words the ultimate power is in your own hands.... just stop reading. It's really quite simple!
Did you? When was that, Bob? I don't see an explanation, I see a bit of avoidance behaviour, though.And I don't need to give you an explanation either... I do it merely to be cordial
I still think your intense zeal in belittling the beliefs of others as akin to painting a circle on your chest and saying, "Fire away!" I do think you're ambivalent about it. I do think you'd be glad to be either (1) persuaded of religion's validity, or (2) relieved of the burden of your doubt about that validity.
Now, I know you'll never be persuaded of its validity, and I'm in the same camp there. But I'm not troubled by any niggling doubts. I'm sure religion is an artifact of human nature. BUT, I know very well that my confidence in that stance is not a guarantee that I'm right. I accept that I may be wrong. To me, you seem like a person who not only doesn't trust his beliefs, he also doesn't completely trust his doubts.
I think that's probably the source of your violent response to people who do trust their own beliefs. They're really really annoying to you, arent they!
But anyway, since you regard all responses to you as "goading", I'll make this the last one. Okay?
Oh, Bob, I was hoping this would be your response. Thank you.
Guess what, Bob? I bet you've done exactly the same thing to your kids! You feel so strongly about religion that I can't imagine you've taught your kids the same thing. Guess you forced your religion of anti-religion down your kids' throats. By your own logic, you can't say you didn't do that without contradicting yourself.
That scenario could describe anything, not just religion. Drugs, sex, even actually getting better could all be described by that scenario. Who is to say that religion can't help you get better?and the second has been forced by circumstance. They are so low and so hurt for one reason or another they have little choice but to reach and grab any branch that happens along. That's usually some door-to-door bible salesman or some friend who actually thinks they're doing you a favor by leading you down this slippery slope. You all get into a room full of others in the same boat all yelling PRAISE THE LORD!! and singing hymns and more yelling PRAISE THE LORD!! and of course this all makes you feel better.... at which point it becomes a drug much like heroin
I find it interesting that whenever such influences are "religious" they're terrible awful influences, but if they're something else then it's normal or even good.Now... are there exceptions to the rule? Sure there are... there always is but then exceptions always account for a wee tiny percentage. You tell me you chose this of your own free will. I would say to you that I think that YOU truly think you chose it of your own free will... but I would be willing to bet there was an influence that you're either blocking out... or at least refuse to acknowledge either consciously or subconsciously for what ever reason
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Ha ha....What??? This is funny. Bob...have you ever been in a conflic (other than this thread)? You think I and others who have faith are only here because we've been through terrible issues in our lives? What...PTSD brought us here? LOL Counsel me Bob.
No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life...Albert Einstein
LOL...I'm glad you said it because I let that go several responses back. But I'm curious to see how Bob answers this.
No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life...Albert Einstein
You would bet wrong. In ACTUAL fact I haven't. I am well aware of my feelings towards religion and as a result I'm quite careful NOT to display them as I do here. But be assured that if I do step off the line my wife is there to deliver a prompt smack to the back of my head. You see... my wife's side of the family is a bit on the religious side. Of course we do have issues that are a little tough to explain to the little one at this stage of the game. When my wife had my child baptized I refused to have anything to do with it and she had to do it alone (No big surprise to my wife... she knows and understands how I feel), but the little one asked why daddy wasn't there. We just told her daddy had boo boo in the tummy and had to stay home. When the time is right I will of course tell her my views... and why.
My older ones know how I feel.... but then they're at the point where they can decide for themselves what they want and I have made it clear that I will love them no matter what. But I have also made it perfectly clear in both words and actions that they have no need to pin hopes on some false God when they have a set of parents that will love and care for them under ANY circumstances.
Oh but it does..... just like heroin does.... the fantasies simply come from a book as opposed to a needleWho is to say that religion can't help you get better
Religion rules by fear not love. It dresses you down and rips you up.... all so that it can 'APPEAR' to come in and save the day. I mean what else can you say about something that calls man evil from day one. Frankly, I can't see ANY good at all being raised from those ashes.I find it interesting that whenever such influences are "religious" they're terrible awful influences
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Just noticed... a perfect example of religion ruling by fear... the bottom of Ian's posts:Now how in the world can any one have any kind of respect for that crap???? The entire bible is full of this rubbish. It teaches you fear so that it can then appear to save the day with 'the love of god' It all kind of reminds me of a movie where the mother secretly poisons her child so that she can keep the child forever dependent as she nurses the kid back to health..... and then does it again......Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.1 Peter 5:8
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No counseling at all Ian... I'm not a counselor in any way shape or form... but I do know that claiming to be "used to being beaten down" is at the very least.... a strange thing to say.... even in jest. But it's not really my place to go so we'll leave it at that.
If you need a book full of other people's experiences and rules to live by, aren't you retarded?
So you and the missis are on the other side of the fence, i have to take my hat off to you there.My wife and me think alike it would have been hard otherwise ie no religous wedding etc.
Well, my wife is not fanatical about it or anything like that. She doesn't run around attending church on Sundays or quoting scripture from the bible. There are some aspects of religion however that she does find important. Baptizing my little one was important to her for example, so I don't stand in the way. More to the point though... we tend to look at the whole thing as a yin/yang effect that balances itself out at the end of the day.
Would a loving and almighty god create worshippers?
This is a jewel of a response. You can't bring up kids without influencing them with your deepest beliefs (no one can). You've said so yourself in your attacks on religion, but now you're saying that you can do it, even though all those religious people cannot. Which is it, Bob? Either it's possible, and so not all examples of religious parents mean that religion was forced down their children's throats (which means what you said about how I must have been influenced by something bad I'm unwilling or unable to admit isn't true) or it's not possible, so what you've just said isn't true. You can't have it both ways.
Good thing we have found the perfect set of parents in the world who can do no harm and love perfectly.My older ones know how I feel.... but then they're at the point where they can decide for themselves what they want and I have made it clear that I will love them no matter what. But I have also made it perfectly clear in both words and actions that they have no need to pin hopes on some false God when they have a set of parents that will love and care for them under ANY circumstances.
And here you display a fundamental misunderstanding of (some) religions that I've attempted to correct several times before, but you've ignored.Religion rules by fear not love. It dresses you down and rips you up.... all so that it can 'APPEAR' to come in and save the day. I mean what else can you say about something that calls man evil from day one. Frankly, I can't see ANY good at all being raised from those ashes.
If you were in a war and told your buddy the same thing about reality: "Be careful out there, man. The enemy has sharpshooters in the hills and footsoldiers on the ground, and they'll kill you in a second if they see you" would he accuse you of trying to rule by fear?Just noticed... a perfect example of religion ruling by fear... the bottom of Ian's posts: Now how in the world can any one have any kind of respect for that crap???? The entire bible is full of this rubbish. It teaches you fear so that it can then appear to save the day with 'the love of god' It all kind of reminds me of a movie where the mother secretly poisons her child so that she can keep the child forever dependent as she nurses the kid back to health..... and then does it again......
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God doesn't create worshipers.... people do.... and they do it by convincing others that man is weak and evil. As a result God ends up being NEEDED, instead wanted... and that's what makes religion such a pitiful, ugly disgrace. Not much different than a heroin junkie.... and that's what makes religion such a danger. I believe we're all familiar as to the ends in which a heroin junkie is willing to go for the next fix?
Now if you remove the fear so that God is actually wanted instead of needed then it would be a different ball game altogether. But one would have to wonder just how many (or few) worshipers God would have under this pretense. I sincerely doubt there would be very many.
I don't do it... My wife and I do it.
I take it you're not a parent because if you were then you would know there is really no such thing as a "perfect set of parents". We all have our flaws and there is a good chance those flaws will be passed on. But if we as parents focus on the job at hand in pointing out ALL the doors available to our children so they THEY may choose for themselves at some point..... then you can't go TOO wrong.Good thing we have found the perfect set of parents in the world who can do no harm and love perfectly.
And I would argue precisely the opposite. It is you who misunderstands and therefore allowing yourself to be led down the wrong path.And here you display a fundamental misunderstanding of (some) religions that I've attempted to correct several times before, but you've ignored.
That to me is both a silly... and scary analogy which tells me just exactly how far gone you are. Of all the examples you could have used (like teaching a child not to trust strangers) you chose to use "war" and "sharpshooters". That gives me a rough idea at how you see this world.If you were in a war and told your buddy the same thing about reality: "Be careful out there, man. The enemy has sharpshooters in the hills and footsoldiers on the ground, and they'll kill you in a second if they see you" would he accuse you of trying to rule by fear?
Are there dangers? Sure there are, and those dangers need to be pointed out... but you can choose to look at this world as a half empty glass... or a half full one. Clearly the bible teaches you that the world is half empty.
How much Creedence Clearwater Revival do you give to this?
20 Things You Should Know About Islam
by ‘Religion of Pieces’
ISLAM…
1. Is a mind-control and information-control cult founded by an assassin, torturer, pirate, rapist and pedophile called Mohammed. The mind-control and information-control aspects require that all criticism of Islam be silenced and cult members follow its leaders blindly (called “taqlid”). Without taqlid (blind following), the cult would swiftly be exposed and the franchise would come to an end. One million mullahs would lose their monopoly on “the Truth” and their thought-control jobs. Hence, most of what mullahs do is to control and suppress bad news about Islam.
2. Is Mohammed’s personality cult. It has no foundations other than Mohammed’s murderous rantings (in the Koran and Hadiths). The Koran consists of two conflicting parts – Meccan and Medinan (peaceful and violent respectively). The Medinan material supersedes (or ‘abrogates’) the Meccan stuff. Muslims act Medinan, but they quote gentler Meccan verses to the gullible infidels. Muslims say that Allaah has no partners, yet they have made Mohammed into a golden idol they worship as though he were a god, even to the point of saying he is present everywhere on earth through his “noor” (light).. Everything about Mohammed is beyond criticism under threat of decapitation, torture or fire-bombing.
3. Claims to worship the same God as Christians and Jews, but in fact worships Allah – a demonic channelling of the pagan Arabian moon-god through Mohammed’s toxic narcissistic personality disorder. The Death Cult mixes garbled versions of Christian and Jewish scriptures with pagan practices such as moon and meteorite-worship, and cut-throat blood sacrifice of animals and non-believers. Islam is the only religion that institutionalizes beheading, crucifixion, torture, and genocide.
4. Has no rational, philosophical or theological basis, and the whole belief-system is contradicted by science, philosophy, common sense, human decency, and astonishing internal inconsistency.
5. Cannot withstand rational criticism, scientific examination or forensic inquiry. Islam can only spread and maintain itself by ignorance, illiteracy, war, terrorism, and intimidation. Islam has bloody borders and cannot co-exist peacefully with other belief systems. Winston Churchill said that Islam in a man is as dangerous as hydrophobia (rabies) in a dog. Islam demands obedience and blind following, and forbids itself to be tested.
6. Has a superstitious dread of images of pigs, crosses, Buddhas, Saint George (and his flag), teddy bears, and of course Mo-toons.
7. Regards Islamic women as semihuman. Wife-beating, incest and child abuse (including mufa’khathat or ‘thighing’ – the ritual abuse of infants) are encouraged and almost never punished.
8. Regards all unbelievers (Kaffirs, Kuffar, Kufrs, Kafirs) as ritually unclean subhumans to be killed, subjugated, enslaved, exploited, or parasitized. Kafirs are described by the Arabic word ‘najis’ – literally ‘filth’. That’s why Muslim hatred of Kafirs is intrinsic to their religion. A Kafir doesn’t need to do anything to offend a Muslim; his very existence is already enough of an affront. Every Muslim believes a kafir should know his place.
9. Possesses an ethical system that applies only to Muslims. Allaah endorses rape, pillage, extortion, torture and enslavement of non-Muslims. Morality does not extend beyond the global gang (ummah). There is no Golden Rule anywhere in Islam. Muslim ethics are, thus, similar to the ethics of the Mafia. (Murdering a non-Moslem is not a capital offence, but only a misdemeanour.) Because of Sharia law, rape is almost impossible to prove. And an infidel cannot testify against a Muslim.
10. Has followers who are motivated by hatred, greed and lust. There is no love, mercy or compassion. Allah is vindictive, unpredictable, capricious and devious – Allah is The Best of Schemers.
11. Is the only religion NOT founded upon The Golden Rule. Morality is based on Mohammed’s example. If Mohammed did it, then it is approved for all Muslims. Hence the encouragement of rape, pillage, enslavement, subjugation and murder of non-believers and the institutionalised pedophilia (child marriage at any age) prevalent throughout Muslim society- justified by Mohammed’s activities with Ayesha, his child sex-slave.
12. Defines all human relations by paradigm of dominance vs. submission. Muslims have schizoid inferiority/superiority complexes. (A well-balanced Muslim is one with a chip on each shoulder). They respect strength but despise compromise as weakness. Appeasement invites more aggression. The only political system which has been strong enough to subjugate Islam is Stalinism.
13. Establishes and legitimizes polygamy, which ensures alpha-males get extra women, leading to a shortage of women for the betas. For sexual relief, beta-males must either masturbate (a sin that puts a Muslim in hell), or form dog-packs and rape or capture kafir women as booty in a razzia, or else self-immolate in the presence of infidels so they may collect 72 mythical virgins in Allah’s playboy-mansion-in-the-sky. (Islam’s harebrained paradise is sophomoric, absurd and ludicrous. It appeals to youthful warriors under the age of 25!) Young Muslim beta-males are often encouraged by their relatives to become suicide bombers because of their belief that such murdering ‘martyrs’ will be able to intercede with Allah and take 70 of their relatives to paradise with them! Family benefits from suicide-murders!
14. Encourages lying and the deception of infidels (taqiyya). This may take many forms, including outright lies, feigned moderation, and condemnation of terrorist attacks to the Kaffir while rejoicing over the same with fellow Muslims. Muslims often tend to regard themselves as victims of some group of Kafirs so they can harbor grudges against them and against Kafirs in general. Allah is The Best of Schemers.
Individual Muslims may appear law-abiding and reasonable, but they are part of a totalitarian movement, and must be considered potential killers blindly obeying their leaders who can flip in an instant (SJS -’Sudden Jihad Syndrome’).
15. Forbids befriending kafirs except for purposes of deceit or where conversion of the kafir may be possible.
16. Purports to have a ‘holy book’, the Koran, that is Allah’s final word, and cannot be changed or challenged. To do so is punishable by death. Consequently, the Death Cult can never change or be reformed. The instructions to murder and rape infidels are just as valid now as the day they were written. Rape was traditionally used as a means of ethnic cleansing.
Since Islam cannot be modernised, the Muslims are attempting to Islamise modernity. This requires spreading Islam in the West and simultaneously preventing any criticism of the cult by intimidation and PC legislation to curtail freedom of expression.
17. Regards treaties and agreements with Kaffirs as meaningless, and are made to be broken (Hudna). The word of a Muslim to a Kafir counts for nothing in the eyes of Allah. “Allah leads astray whom he pleases”.
18. Divides the world between Dar-al-Islam (the Islamic Realm) and Dar-al-Harb (the domain of war, the Kufr lands). Muslims living in Dar-al-Harb must work to disrupt their host nations until these can be brought into Dar-al-Islam.
19. Encourages Muslims to parasitize their host nations. In fact, Muslims have no obligation to their host nations. Any free nation is considered “the Enemy” (The Great Satan is USA). Welfare fraud, identity theft, forgery etc. are endemic in Western Muslim populations, and serious crime against Kaffirs is regarded as normal and justified. Extortion rackets against Kafirs are mandated by the Koran (’jizya’ is the Arabic term for ‘protection money’ payable by Jews and Christians to Muslims under threat of death).
20. Is a complete system, including a culture, which Muslims regard as superior to other cultures (despite all evidence to the contrary…where are the operas, the ballets, the oratorios, the inspiring novels and films?) Jihadist attacks on their host nations aren’t just against its religion and economy, but are aimed at its very cultural identity. Muslims are therefore required to destroy the symbols of non-Muslim culture…’Jahiliya’ (sometimes spelled ‘Jahiliyya’)-. In the East, this has included destruction of Hindu temples and Christian churches and replacement with mosques, and destruction of Buddhist artwork, temples, and universities and replacement with heaps of rubble. This process of cultural replacement is now beginning in the West. In addition, the rape of kafir women by Muslim men is a way of proving to host nations that their women are all whores and don’t deserve to be respected. The old “blaming the victim” ploy. The Muslim headscarf is a means of segregating girls from the culture of the host country.
A: Busted?
B: Plausible?
C: Confirmed?
Make sure your doors are locked tight, tonight. These guys are rather touchy.
The Korova milkbar sold milk-plus, milk plus vellocet or synthemesc or drencrom, which is what we were drinking. This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence.
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