Religious Debate

[mrob7]

why would you shoot a music video that condones sinful things?

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[Dr. Benway]

Is there such a thing as sin? Well, not really, just immoral actions that can be defined by extremes: rape, murder, paedophilia, assault, fraud and theft. Did the video cover those topics?

Making money through ethical business practice and enjoying the opposite sex are not immoral, are they?

[mrob7]

Is there such a thing as sin? Of course there is. It would be simply rediculious to think there isn't such a thing. So because people weren't being raped, murdured, etc in the video you think it is ok? Sin is real man, like it or not

[Dr. Benway]

Fear of sin is for the paranoid; who's watching, who's coming to punish you, Daddy? Immoral action as outlined above are for the immoral and should not be condoned or tolerated in a healthy, intelligent, functioning society. Normal, well-balanced, rational actions are for the healthy and sane. Sin has religious conntotations suggesting that, 'If I do this action some thing will be watching and will punish me.' Whereas we should be living in the real world and concern ourselves with moral harmony.

[Worley]

Is there such a thing as sin? Of course there is. It would be simply rediculious to think there isn't such a thing. So because people weren't being raped, murdured, etc in the video you think it is ok? Sin is real man, like it or not

No, sin is a man-made construction, designed to control. It's one of the dark sides of religion.

Suicide is a sin according to Catholicism, yet in some cultures it is the honourable thing to do.

Paedophilia - at which age does a child cease to be a child? It depends on culture.

Incest - oh I love this one. Completely baffled the Latter Day Saints when I asked them about this. Just how,exactly, did Adam and Eve populate the earth if incest is a sin? Adam and Eve had a child or two, no problem there, but then what? With whom did those children procreate? Methinks a little sinful hanky panky took place.

What I find ridiculous (and very worrying) is that people accept the word of religious rambling without thinking for themselves.

Religion is about control of minions. Nothing more.

[Twitch]

How does this video condone sinful things? He's mostly rapping about having a lot of money, bling, cars, women, etc. What if he earned all his money legit and now he's just sharing his success story? If you listen he mentions throwing it around like confetti, maybe he's sharing it with his homies and not being greedy? What if he's a successful stock broker, lawyer, doctor? The black Bill Gates? Where's the part about murder and rape? I didn't hear a single thing referencing either one.

Why would you assume its sinful? Because he's black and rapping? Are the skateboarding videos sinful because there's kids illegally skateboarding in public areas?

Aside from that, I think the video is great, but was it shot in hdv 60? Maybe change it to 24 or 30? Maybe that'll give it more of a music video kinda look instead of camcorder-ish?

Also a lot of rap videos cut to some slowed down, laid back looking shots. Maybe have a nice slow motion shot of the money flying everywhere?

Keep up the good work man!

[Dr. Benway]

As an atheist I believe in the 'better angels (simile) of human nature'; people are innately good irrespective of the presence of religion. As for the harm religion has caused... well where do I start?!

There is no 'thing' lurking to punish us; unless you create psychological constructs of entities to the point where you believe in them, a common delusion.

As educated and civilised human beings we choose not to engage in the aforementioned immoral behaviours unlike those who do warranting close attention from our legal systems.

Instead, as free thinking individuals we choose to stand upon a moral middle ground: a basis for social contracts which is agreeable by every intelligent, rational, honest human being.

There is nothing like going out into the world onto the streets and backwaters to have your morals readjusted. What many Western people cling so tightly too soon loosens when they are confronted with the harsh reality of how life is for the rest of humanity.

[Braceface]

Yeah, plz. No more arguing.

[ddavidd20]

No, sin is a man-made construction, designed to control. It's one of the dark sides of religion.

Suicide is a sin according to Catholicism, yet in some cultures it is the honourable thing to do.

Religion is about control of minions. Nothing more.

LOL.

this post is so ridiculous i almost find it quite humorous.

first off, what you're describing with suicide and sin according to different religions (yet you say cultures which have very different aspects than religions) is an argument as to perspective and nothing with what creates those differences.
RELIGION is moreso than anything, PERSPECTIVE through your faith. of course not everyone is going to have the same perspective on different issues because there are thousands of religions that exist with their own issues, moral codes and social standards.

control of minions? so you're saying everyone in the entire world, with a single ounce faith in religion is just a minion, under the control of those 'elite' religious leaders? and that they don't act under their own complete freewill because of that mental control?

pretty smart thinking buddy haha.

[acoelho1]

I think we should stay out of theological discussions. I am sure there are forums for that so please find them. The video itself was so so. I dont really care about the content of the song but I think you could have come up with more creative shots. Such as different camera angles or picking more interesting locations.

[matt_asimpson]

Is there such a thing as sin? Of course there is. It would be simply rediculious to think there isn't such a thing. So because people weren't being raped, murdured, etc in the video you think it is ok? Sin is real man, like it or not

also, Worley, right on,

the only thing thats that real is wool thats pulled over your eyes kiddo!
theres nothing wrong with believing in whatever you want as long as you dont try to preach it to others.

heaven's a nice idea, a big magic man sitting in a cloud, and theres enough room for everybody, endless food and happyness for everyone, no pain no boredom, and plenty of sin free activities.... its all just A ok,
oh unless your not in the gang, then you can go burn.

i prefer lord of the rings myself.

[scottmcleod]

LOL.

this post is so ridiculous i almost find it quite humorous.

control of minions? so you're saying everyone in the entire world, with a single ounce faith in religion is just a minion, under the control of those 'elite' religious leaders? and that they don't act under their own complete freewill because of that mental control?

He didn't clarify properly. You're not reading and thinking, you're reading and responding. THINK.

He meant ORGANIZED Religion is about control of minions.

I have ZERO complaints about faith, and believing in a higher power, if that's what gets you going.

Telling people to follow rules, give money, and waste an hour of their week getting the rules shoved down their throat on the other hand...

Nothing wrong with faith though.

[Watermoore]

No, sin is a man-made construction, designed to control. It's one of the dark sides of religion.

Suicide is a sin according to Catholicism, yet in some cultures it is the honourable thing to do.

Paedophilia - at which age does a child cease to be a child? It depends on culture.

Incest - oh I love this one. Completely baffled the Latter Day Saints when I asked them about this. Just how,exactly, did Adam and Eve populate the earth if incest is a sin? Adam and Eve had a child or two, no problem there, but then what? With whom did those children procreate? Methinks a little sinful hanky panky took place.

What I find ridiculous (and very worrying) is that people accept the word of religious rambling without thinking for themselves.

Religion is about control of minions. Nothing more.

Well Said Worley however I have a feeling this poor guys footage post is going to get hijacked

[kyle.presley]

i prefer lord of the rings myself.

You do realize, of course, that LOTR was written by a devout Roman Catholic? The undertones are definitely there for those who look.

[spideralex90]

No, sin is a man-made construction, designed to control. It's one of the dark sides of religion.

Suicide is a sin according to Catholicism, yet in some cultures it is the honourable thing to do.

Paedophilia - at which age does a child cease to be a child? It depends on culture.

Incest - oh I love this one. Completely baffled the Latter Day Saints when I asked them about this. Just how,exactly, did Adam and Eve populate the earth if incest is a sin? Adam and Eve had a child or two, no problem there, but then what? With whom did those children procreate? Methinks a little sinful hanky panky took place.

What I find ridiculous (and very worrying) is that people accept the word of religious rambling without thinking for themselves.

Religion is about control of minions. Nothing more.

Okay, guys this video was not posted to argue about religion. whatever you believe keep it to yourself, if you think it's sinful, fine, if you think sins are for 'controlling' fine, whatever you believe is fine, but this is a CAMCORDER forum.

Worley, your a moderator, you should know that more than of all of us.

If you want to talk about religion or anything go to the pub section of the forum.

No one here is going to change anyones mind. A forum post isn't going to convert someone to a religion, or make someone realize how their religion is immoral or anything like that, so let's stop being dumb because this will NOT go anywhere. The fact is that no one honestly cares whether you think religion is controling minions or not.

[spideralex90]

To: Flimackgod
sorry your post was hijacked, i commented your vimeo, hopefully the same won't happen there. No one deserves this disresepct even if they think your video was bad.

Personally, it was well shot, i'm not one for the music, but the quality was still good.

[matt_asimpson]

You do realize, of course, that LOTR was written by a devout Roman Catholic? The undertones are definitely there for those who look.

of course, not the point, alot of the undertones can also be related the the industrial revolution, and the Nazis attack on surounding europe,
the lord of the rings is primarily about the struggle and hope, of a few people facing daunting odds from an unseen enemy,

Im just saying its a more entertaining piece of fiction, with less plot holes,

also remember this is almost 100 years ago, the human species understands alot more about the history of the planet than they did then.

If you really want to read fantasy fiction with religious undertones, pick up his dark materials,

the film is horrible, and completely avoids the point that the author makes so well.
and for anybody who wants to know its not even anti god in the slightest. (as the American media might have you think) its anti ignorance. all children and adults everywhere should be allowed to read these books.

the world would be a better place for it.

[Ian-T]

um......amen already...????

[johnny cola]

THIS THREAD MAKES ME LMFAO!!! Funniest shhh!t ever, I love to watch brainwashed people get thier panties in a bunch.

[Braceface]

THIS THREAD MAKES ME LMFAO!!! Funniest shhh!t ever, I love to watch brainwashed people get thier panties in a bunch.

Who are you referring to, the people who follow a religion, or those Atheist people? Since everybody is throwing his hats into the ring I will too. So long as the moderator stays asleep at the helm.
Nobody can prove or disprove any religion or faith. Nobody can even prove their own existence. Science and religion are both faith based.
Science changes constantly. Religion is unprovable, and also impossible to dismiss.
I lean towards science but religion is no more or less a religion than science. I just lean towards religion because one thing that it does do is offer some neat inventions, where as religion only invents god.

[Numbox]

um......amen already...????

[Twitch]

Guys can you debate it in private messages or on another forum?　ITS JUST A VIDEO

[koolpenguin89]

I just lean towards religion because one thing that it does do is offer some neat inventions, where as religion only invents god.

Huh?

anyways, i think you guys should stop this, or have a mod move your posts to the pub. This is unfair to the OP.

Dylan

[spideralex90]

Moderator,
i had posted something about a laptop in the pc section of the forum, and it was moved less than a day later to the pub section, which baffles me, but whatever. Anyhow, i just got back from a 5 day vacation, and this post, which started as a regular post but thus far has been a post where atheist and non religion folk alike have been bashing religion, and religion following folk have been trying to defend themselves, or bashing atheist people for what so ever, is still open for a post. Anyhow, this post should be locked, it's 'fallen off the path' if you will, it's just people insulting other people for their beliefs, and not to favor the religionists, but the non religionist folks have been voicing their opinions quite loudly especially since they were not provoked much at all. I myself have been slightly offended but choose not to post pointless 'revenge' posts.

So, moderator, assuming your still viewing the forums, lock this one, and lets keep this a forum about the HV20/30 and things related to it.

I'm sorry to the original poster, and would hope that people who truely want to leave helpful comments to the poster would comment his video on vimeo.

Thanks.

[FLIMACKGOD]

This is like when ur a teenager and you got the house to ur self the parents are gone your girl comes over and your making out on the couch you pull her shirt off, then the pants, now your both butt naked .......then a H.I.V commercial comes on!