Advice for plugging into sound board at live gigs
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This is a little OT, but it sounds like there are a number of people who are recoding live gigs and may be able to shed some light.
Last summer I filmed my son's jazz big band concerts using an on-camera external mic (AT-822), and was been quite pleased with the sound I've got; it generally seemed to have good detail and the room sounds were not obtrusive. At the concerts, the band is mic'd with stand mics that are fed through a sound board to a PA system, so I was pretty much recording what came through the PA speakers up by the stage.
This summer, I'll be video recording the concerts again, and was thinking of recording the sound out of the sound board to my Zoom H2 as well, to see if I can get better sound that way. (I would take the board's line feed through a Rolls MX34 pre-amp, which I think will take care of any problem with the line signal being too hot for the H2).
The band director will be arranging with the venue for me to be able to plug into the board, but I'd like to be able to interact with the sound guys without sounding like a total noob (although I will be one).
What do I tell them I want to do? "Hi guys, I'd like to _______________."
Also, what kind of connector on the board is it likely I will be plugging into (the boards used are all portable boards although some are bigger than others)? XLR, RCA, 1/4" phono? I probably will put together a number of adapters, which most likely will end up running into the Rolls' dual XLR inputs. I want to have enough of a variety of adapters to cover the bases.
HELP!!! Quick: Do I need a Pre-amp between a Zoom H2 & a soundboard's "tape" out??
Hey all, I'm kind of in a pinch and need a way to record decent quality audio of a concert next week Thursday. (It will mainly be a solo performance--vocals + acoustic-electric gtr, harmonica, maybe banjo, etc.) Was thinking of getting a Zoom H2 shipped fast, since the HV20's audio (especially in HDV mode) seems to be not that good.
I'd plug the Zoom H2 into the soundboard, which has a pair (L,R) of RCA outs labeled "Tape". Would I need a pre-amp between the board and the Zoom??
I would think, no, but I'm a little uncertain and really don't want to eff this up!
Also, FWIW, I would be also be getting audio thru two HV20s--one tripoded next to the board & one roaming side/near-stage, with an Azden SMX-10 stereo mic and a Rode VideoMic (mono). Any suggestions which mic to put on which camera?
Should I just scrap the Zoom idea and plug the soundboard directly into an HV20? If so, should I shoot in DV mode (at least with that camera) for the PCM sound?
Any suggestion would be appreciated
Here's my scenerio and equipment. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
1 - HV20 - wide angle lens - 2 channel passive audio adaptor
2 - HV30 - Letus Mini - various lenses including 50mm & 70-200mm - 4 channel Juicedlink with Phantom
3 - Micro litepanel mounted to either cameras shoe
4 - 2 channel Asden wireless - 1 lapel mic & 1 transmitter that accepts any mic
5 - Zoom H4
6 - 2 Seinheiser dynamic mics
7 - 2 dyanmic & 1 condensor mic
8 - plenty of XLR cables and 2 XLR to 1/4" adapter cables
1 - Outdoor stage with huge speaker farms on each side of stage. Lawn chair seating. I always setup about the 3rd or 4th row left center isle. I can run cables from the speaker farms and sound board to my chair. I have had pretty good success with putting one mic up in front of one of the speaker farms on a mic stand and feeding that to both left & right channels. I believe that both sides of the stage get the same audio. I will have access to the sound board this year as well. The festival is 8 days with shows from 11 to 11, so some of my shooting will be at night. The stage has a fair amount of light at night.
2 - Interview performers, jammers, fans - Some may be in a small private setting and some may be at a small stage with an audience. I might have to provide some lighting if any or done at night.
3 - Campground jams. Mostly at night.
1 - Stage performences - Setup H4 on the sound board but perhaps run a set of cables down to my chair in case I want to plug directly to my camera via adaptor. Run a single mic from the left speaker farm to my chair and capture to my "A" camera on both channels. Use my "B" camera (HV30) with the Letus Mini for mobil shooting - perhaps side of stage shots, audience, and angle shot from right side of the stage. When I'm on the move with my "B" camera, I will leave my other camera setup to capture all performers (wide). I would probably just capture the sound with the built in mics for the "B" camera to use for syncing in post.
2 - Interviews - I'm thinking of setting up the "A" camera to shoot over my shoulder at the interviewee. I most likely will not have anyone to help so both cameras will not be changed during the interviews. I would put two mic stands up, one for the interviewee and one for me. Both would feed to the "A" camera. I might setup a "B" camera in a position that would capture both the interviewee and myself. I don't think I would bother to use external mics on the "B" camera. I'm not sure whether to attempt making the "A" camera the one with the Letus Mini or not.
3 - Camp jams. Anything goes here. I will probably setup 4 mics on stands around the semi-circle or circle of pickers. I will also setup the H4 on a stand in the middle somewhere. The 4 mics will feed my Juicedlink which will also be my "A" camera. The mics can each be panned left, middle, or right, independently. I may setup an incadescent light on a stand. It just can't interfere too much with the ambience of a campfire jam. I will also have my "micro light panel" on my "A" camera more than likely. I think I will use the "B" camera to move around the jam some. Sometime jams tend to be a full 360 degree circle, in which case it requires moving the camera to a lot of different postions.