Damn... rolling shutter!

[RanMan]

Can anyone recommend a ccd camera price range, spec range, well pretty much a HV30 with a ccd? Camera will be used for car mounting purposes.

Cheers

[Ian-T]

If you are looking for 24p then you might be out of luck....unless you want to go up in price and also go AVCHD.....in that case there is panasonic. JVC has a hard drive based cam ...which is MPEG-2 just like the HV20 (well...similar at least)...but no 24p....and the picture is not like the HV20.....but the cam is solidly built....with a real focus ring.

Panasonic HDC-HS9 Hybrid 60GB HDD/Flash Memory High Definition Camcorder
1/6" 3CCD Image Sensor • 10x Optical Zoom • Advanced Optical Image Stabilization • 24p • 1.7 Second Quick Start • Face Detection • 2.7" LCD Display • SDHC Card Slot • 60GB Hard Disk Drive

$899.00 at B&H

[Eugenia Loli-Queru]

>1/6" 3CCD Image Sensor

Which offers no background blur. The HV20's sensor is bigger than most in the consumer market. So ask yourself what's bigger inconvenience: lack of background blur, or rolling shutter.

[Worley]

Rolling shutter.

[Rikki]

How are the Red guys going to deal with that BTW

[divide]

I've owned the SD9 for a week, and the results are pretty bad.

[RicanJoe]

Hold up about a week NAB (http://www.nabshow.com/)08 is comming, new technology (scarlet (http://www.reduser.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=31) 2k/2048p anyone?) If your cam is going to be mounted on a car then you don't need shallow depth of field, and you DEFINITELY don't need 24p.

[Rumpelgeist]

See how rolling shutter screws up video here (this is not a fancy helicopter ride, just wind): http://www.vimeo.com/746718 at 2:50 to 3:30.

[Eugenia Loli-Queru]

To eliminate the wind problem, get a better tripod. :)

[Rumpelgeist]

To eliminate the wind problem, get a better tripod. :)
This is not mine video, but I think that to fight with such wind one would need a tripod made of concrete :)

[booggerg]

See how rolling shutter screws up video here (this is not a fancy helicopter ride, just wind): http://www.vimeo.com/746718 at 2:50 to 3:30.

Well the footaged shook so much from the wind that even if there wasn't the rolling shutter issue, the footage is still useless due to the shakiness.

I don't think CCD technology has gotten to the point where 1 CCD can equal the IQ from 1 CMOS. 3 CCD = larger camera.

[Ian-T]

1CMOS with RGB colors = 3CCD colors

[Duke]

I don't think CCD technology has gotten to the point where 1 CCD can equal the IQ from 1 CMOS. 3 CCD = larger camera.

Nope. Even the Red One is a CMOS camera.

Duke

[Alsone]

See how rolling shutter screws up video here (this is not a fancy helicopter ride, just wind): http://www.vimeo.com/746718 at 2:50 to 3:30.

Another good example of the rolling shutter's short comings is here at 40 secs or so:

http://www.vimeo.com/865616

Although not many people shoot nightclub footage with a camcorder (they can't generally get permission to take them in), the strobe does play havoc with the footage, something that doesn't happen with CCD cameras.

Incidentally, as an aside, it looks as if Vimeo have recoded this video. It was perfect when 1st uploaded but now it looks grainy and its full of compression artefacts.

[Ian-T]

Incidentally, as an aside, it looks as if Vimeo have recoded this video. It was perfect when 1st uploaded but now it looks grainy and its full of compression artefacts.Maybe you forgot to turn on the HD button. I've done that before and made the same complaint not realizing it.

[Ian-T]

Although not many people shoot nightclub footage with a camcorder (they can't generally get permission to take them in), the strobe does play havoc with the footage, something that doesn't happen with CCD cameras.

Then again in the same exact setting CCD cameras always produce this nasty vertical smear that you wont get with CMOS cams......

In this case it's up to you to pick your poison.....they both have their Achilles Heel.

[AndyR]

This is what my holiday footage is suffering from. Found this out about "rolling shutter" today.

For some reason footage direct from the HV20 over HDMI looks fine, but once imported the raw m2t files show this rolling shutter problem on fast pans. I've had a look at some sample clips from avchd cameras with fast pans and they don't exhibt it anywhere near as much, so all I can assume is that they are CCD and not CMOS.

Think I might be selling my HV20.