HD Shorts Contest General Discussion

[koolpenguin89]

Ok, i was thinking about this forum and its new layout, and wondering what other things could make it even cooler (before the layout change, i had convinced myself it was at the height of its coolness.) So, i had this idea, and call me crazy if you think i am, but i think that hv20.com should host a film competition! Just like some other (http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/forumdisplay.php?f=120) websites dedicated to a particular camera. If it were to happen, i think we should limit it to being shot on an HV20/30, with whatever mods. Also (maybe) we could have different categories for shorts and features. the judges could be voted on before the competition begins, that way its all fair.

I think this is a great idea, so let me know what you guys think. Mods, do you think this would be acheivable? Give feedback.

Dylan

[Lunchbox]

Dylan,

That's not crazy. There has been some contests hosted before. This one didn't go so well.. hehe

http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?t=2546

Maybe you can host a new one. Specify some ground rule such as length, rules, prize.. stuff like that.

btw, I made this short clip (http://hottaky.com/hv20/hv20ad.wmv) to enter framecut's scam but i withdraw myself afterwards.

[koolpenguin89]

lol, after reading the thread i can see why you withdrew, but i liked your ad, especially the part with all the mods avatars. Also, im glad you dont think im crazy. ill get to thinking about it some more and see if i can come up with some stuff. thanks for the input.

dylan

[VideJo]

So far I have organised seven of such events on regular intervals on Dutch forum.
Prior to each competion I collect ideas for the next subject for the next competion. The max lenghth is 1 minute. A crtical aspect is the voting. That is why I make sure, that ech voter is forced to rate each video that was uploaded. Each video has its own thread, under which you can rate the video from 1 to 10 and you can place comments. The sector of the competion is secured by means of its own log-in, to prevent mallicious entries.

[koolpenguin89]

If i were to organize it that way, i think id need some help from the mods, and i dont know how theyd feel about that. thanks for the input though.

dylan

[Lunchbox]

I think that's an excellent idea (and fun), Dylan. What kind of support you will need?

[nzo]

I need a new Mercedes as a prize, so I can move my cam gear around :hv20-smilie77:

[Ian-T]

I like your idea Dylan. I think though that the "types of prizes would probably motivate more people to participate. Maybe it can be organized in such a way were there was some sort of submittal fee. First organize a poll to see how many would participate....for ex amount of dollars. There are many entrepreneurs on this site....invite them to sponsor the event...with some of their products or services...as a prize. The money collected could be used as a grand prize etc.

I think it should be more than a minute....maybe 1 minute minimum to 5 minutes maximum. Do it big...bigger than ...um...those.."other" sites.

[kafeero]

This is a great idea. Although I do not have a HV20 yet, I am always looking for short video contests to participate in. I would like to see this idea grow.

[koolpenguin89]

Wow, thanks for all the input guys.

@taky:I was referring to Jo's idea of each video having its own thread, in a subforum with its own login. While this seams like a good idea, i dont know how you guys (mods) would feel about it.

@ian-t: I had been thinking about how to do the prizes, and i really like your idea about the sponsors and polling beforehand. Also, i had exactly the same idea as you about the length-limit.

@kafeero:I had been planning on making it an HV20 only contest, but ill consider other cameras being allowed.

dylan

[VideJo]

Let me try to explain the pro's for a limited film length.
Have a close look at commercials on tv. And check their time length. The trick is to tell a full story in a very short period. That is more difficult than a longer film.

[koolpenguin89]

If i remember correctly (its been a year or 2), 1-5 minutes is the length of a majority of short films made. I disagree with you about tv commercials. The point isnt to tell a full story, its make sure there point, product, or service is understood, and the rest of the time is filled with stuff to get our attention and keep it there. Short films, on the other hand, use every second of their time trying to entertain the viewer and keep them watching, thats the main focus, not selling something (albeit, most films do have some sort of subtle point they are trying to get across to the viewer.) I understand where your coming from Jo, and i thank you for your input, but in my opinion, less than one minute is not long enough (it would leave me wanting more). What does everybody else think?

dylan

[Mal]

Neat idea.


Regarding the story telling thingy, koolpenguin.
EVERY SINGLE production, whether it be a 15/30 second commercial, or a short film, tells a story, or SHOULD tell a story.
Look at commercials again, and you'll find that almost all WILL in fact tell a story, even if the story isn't well defined.
Telling a story should be the quintessential ingredient and motivation for absolutely every production.
For a short story I'll go as far as saying it even should have a beginning, middle and end, in the classical 3 act sense.

Of course, an abstract or experimental "theme" can also be chosen for this HV20 film competition/festival, but from my experience those films are hardly ever well received, nor easily consumed.

I was responsible for selecting film entries for an international film festival a few years back, and it is quite educational to watch 500 entries, and see 400 of them make very similar mistakes, and be virtually unwatchable as a result.

I like the idea of this hv20 film competition, but I would encourage to spend some good time defining it very carefully; to make it unique, and beneficial to enter (not just for the prize's sake) and beneficial and easy to watch.

We'll support this idea with moderator input and site changes, and sponsorship gathering.

[AntiquePhotons]

Dylan,

That's not crazy. There has been some contests hosted before. This one didn't go so well.. hehe

http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?t=2546

Maybe you can host a new one. Specify some ground rule such as length, rules, prize.. stuff like that.

btw, I made this short clip (http://hottaky.com/hv20/hv20ad.wmv) to enter framecut's scam but i withdraw myself afterwards.


That is a cool short, I like it!

[koolpenguin89]

Thank you very much mal for your input and support, i can see what you and jo are talking about as far as commercials go. Also, i briefly considered a theme, but i dont think its necessary, and as you said, they wouldnt be well recieved.

All this being said, i really want to find out how many people would actually participate in this competiton if it were to be held. However, I dont think that many visitors (or even members) of this site visit this subforum all that often. So, do you guys have any thoughts on how to get this out there to find potential entrants?

dylan

[Mal]

So, do you guys have any thoughts on how to get this out there to find potential entrants?

One way would be to change the thread's title to a more relevant one! :hv20-smilie81:

You name it, I'll change it.

EDIT: Another thing; it would be too early to find potential entrants, if there are no clear thoughts on what the competition is or should be.
Like I mentioned a few posts back; this should first be defined more clearly. You build it (the competition) and they will come. Given that there are 5000 different film competitions out there, it might take a bit to make "ours" unique, special and worth entering.

[Ian-T]

Here is a thought...and a few questions...but.. I watch cable television like everyone else (when I get a chance) and every now and then in between movies etc., I see a short film...whether 5 minutes long or 15 minutes long...even up to a half an hour long. Some of them are decent while others are kind of corny...some with known actors and the majority of them unknown. My question is..how difficult is it to get material we've done placed on a cable spot like that? Has anyone done something like that before? Maybe this competition could be set up to guarantee the finalist a "shot' in getting their material broadcasted on a large cable network. Maybe it does not have to be one competition...but a series of competitions (3-5 maybe) where the winners of each (top 5) will be subjected to a kind of grand finale vote..... (that way we can almost guarantee the winning shorts are quality material).

I can't imagine there not being someone here in this forum with this type of connection. This, at least for me, would be worth entering...I mean...think about it...

I don't know...my brain is spinning... I like the potential of something bigger and better than the other forums.... call me crazy......


Edit: This thought came to me after watching Taky's little piece... it sort of looked like a television promotion for this site...or it seems like it could be easily constructed into one.

[Mal]

I agree 100% Ian,
although I don't know if your idea is feasible, I too think that it needs to be something different than other sites.

The discussion is open.

[koolpenguin89]

Wow guys, some great ideas. Ian, i have no clue how to go about doing that, but i think its a fabulous idea. SO many people have hv20s, and with a prize like this, i think alot of people would enter. If anyone here has any connections, please dont be shy, tell us. Also, ive been thinking, there would need to be SOME type of theme, to ensure the film was shot on the HV20 and shot for this competition. So if you guys have any ideas for that, let me have em. And i agree aml, this is too early to start asking for entrants.

dylan

[Ivan Fuentes]

great idea! i don't usually participate in online contests... but if you need any help, count me in!!

Hey, if the conest can generate enough publicity, it could benefit some trademarks such as brevis/cinevate/letus, or maybe cineform, to give a hand with a couple of products... it only has to be well thought, so it can benefit the sponsors enough

[Ian-T]

great idea! i don't usually participate in online contests... but if you need any help, count me in!!

Hey, if the conest can generate enough publicity, it could benefit some trademarks such as brevis/cinevate/letus, or maybe cineform, to give a hand with a couple of products... it only has to be well thought, so it can benefit the sponsors enoughRIGHT!!!

[koolpenguin89]

Ok, tested my photoshop skills, check it out

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd22/pwr2thepenguins/HDShorts2small.jpg

I know, needs some work

[Kyleman]

Ok, tested my photoshop skills, check it out

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd22/pwr2thepenguins/HDShorts2small.jpg

I know, needs some work

Not bad, I think the basic approach is the best. :hv20-smilie77: Just needs some sprucing up is all.

[Kyleman]

Here's my input.

http://aycu22.webshots.com/image/45421/2005143159425684091_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005143159425684091)

Tell me what you think. :)

[koolpenguin89]

Kyle, that is sick! Unless someone comes up with something better, i would definantly want to use this as the logo/banner thing (with your permission, of course).

dylan

[Kyleman]

Thanks! Sure you can use it. If you want me to I can email you a full-res version. The full resolution is 1024x768 by the way.

[koolpenguin89]

Yes kyle, please email me the full res if you can. Ive changed my signature to show your design and link to this thread. Just as an update, im almost done coming up with a first draft of the rules and guidelines, and ill have them posted up by tommorow night. Mal, i was wondering if it would be possible to move this thread to the "Forum Announcements" sub-forum. Also, i would like to change the name of the thread to "HD Shorts: An HV20 Forum Competition", or something along the lines of that. Let me know if this is possible. Thanks to all who have helped so far. I was wondering what some of you guys might think we be good prizes? Cash is the obvious answer, but what about other things?

Dylan

[Kyleman]

Ok, I just sent you the full quality image.

[koolpenguin89]

Thanks alot

[VideJo]

Thanks to all who have helped so far. I was wondering what some of you guys might think we be good prizes? Cash is the obvious answer, but what about other things?
How about one of those small cam stabilisers, we read about here regularly?

[koolpenguin89]

Like the one discussed here (http://hv20.com/showthread.php?t=7000)? I think thats a great idea. keep em comin!

dylan

[VideJo]

That is a nice one. The Merlin is another, but of course it all depends, which sponsors will bite.

[Jlew07]

Im new to this forum and ever since I saw footage from this site I was thinking they should have an online festival. I agree that it needs to be longer than a minute. Perhaps five at max. And most festivals have a theme or subject each film has to be about. Just to make it more interesting.

As far as prizes go, what if with along with the sponsors there was a submission fee. Being that it is going to be the first one, it will be hard to get a lot sponsors the first time. A small fee from each user participating can generate a decent amount perhaps.

If we create enough publicity and have an awesome festival we will get more sponsors the next time. And as far as the camera I think for the first ever HV20 festival we should use....an HV20/30!! lol Then after a successful first run, allow other cameras to compete.
:hv20-smilie77:

[Ian-T]

Jlew07 you just basically echoed my sentiments. I agree. I think though...maybe instead of limiting to just one theme we could have a few types of subjects that potential filmakers can choose from. This to me would make viewing much more interesting.

Also...in regards to a title..what about these ideas:

HV20 FORUM "HD SHORT-STOP"

HV20 FORUM "HD SHOWCASE"

[Jwymon]

Also...in regards to a title..what about these ideas:

HV20 FORUM "HD SHORT-STOP"

HV20 FORUM "HD SHOWCASE"

Well, while we're throwing titles in to be considered, I liked

HV20.com Presents: Small Films from Small Cameras

Possibly an image "like this." [Link Removed: Content so bad nobody should ever see it. If you insist, just close your eyes and imagine the worst graphic mock-up possible]

[koolpenguin89]

Ian, i like the HD showcase idea, but that makes me think its more along the lines of displaying work weve already done. Also, i dont understand the HD short-stop thing. a baseball reference maybe? Jwymon, i like the idea alot.

dylan

p.s. Jwymon, no offense at all, but your photoshop skills dont seem that much better than mine:hv20-smilie81:

[Ivan Fuentes]

this draft doesn't use forum's colors, so i don't think it will be of much use... but nevermind, i'm bored and it was a nice way to spend the time

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/4746/hdshortslotu7.jpg

[koolpenguin89]

Thats good ivan, but like you said, the colors dont work well. I tried to drag it into photoshop to change the reds to green, but needless to say, it wasnt pretty.

dylan

[Jwymon]

p.s. Jwymon, no offense at all, but your photoshop skills dont seem that much better than mine:hv20-smilie81:

lol, none taken. I just had a little bit of time before class.

It was funny though because last month you complimented me on my photoshop skills when I posted the opening credit sequence of a play i had filmed:

"WOW, that was so well done. it looked so professional! The whole feel of it just seemed to fit, you know? again, wow. i need to go touch up on my photoshop skills."

:hv20-smilie79:

But to continue, it would probably be best to focus on the actual contest construction at this point. I love the idea, and I hope it becomes a reality.

[Ivan Fuentes]

it's easy... just use the "selective color" tool
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/4876/hdshortslogreenos6.jpg

[Jwymon]

So is this dead in the water?

[nzo]

Jwymon - I use a calibrated Sony Trinitron CRT monitor for my own graphics work and at 1600 x 1200 res the smallest outlined text in your art is almost impossible to read. Not a good font to use.

[Jwymon]

Jwymon - I use a calibrated Sony Trinitron CRT monitor for my own graphics work and at 1600 x 1200 res the smallest outlined text in your art is almost impossible to read. Not a good font to use.

Okay, we can bash my image for a little while longer if you fellows insist; I mean I am a professional trying to make a living off of my "HD Shorts" graphic mock-ups after all. :hv20-smilie51:

Just so I can understand (don't worry, I dare not try to actually fix this heap of garbage after all this): Are you saying the font is too small on the word "from" when viewed actual size on a monitor 1600x1200? And is this by virtue of the font, font size, or blending/grading?

Apparently my image was so terrifying that it halted all progress on this contest concept. :hv20-smilie50:

[Mal]

"So is this dead in the water?"

LOL, it's probably not going to happen, a proper festival/competition that is, unless someone takes the reigns.

This is the curse of online forums.....many ideas floating around with GREAT difficulty to execute them...

[nzo]

Jwymon - no, not bashing your image! Just telling you what I see.

Two problems: you've used a 'trendy' font. Some trendy fonts are hard to read by their very design, especially when they are reduced in size. You've also used what looks like a layer style to outline the font. Layer styles can be really nice but unless carefully used, they tend to muddy up small font sizes.

I make a point of always keeping the end user/viewer in the loop. I want the viewer to have the best possible experience and that includes legibility - IOW, instantly readable, easy on the eyes and in harmony with the surrounding design, i.e. this forum.

I also know how easy it is for ego to get in the way. Been there many times myself :)

[koolpenguin89]

NO! its not dead in the water, ive just been really busy with work for the last couple of days. I have the whole day off tommorow, so ill finish up a 1st draft of the rules and guidelines for you all. Mal, i agree with you that most of these ideas end up becoming nothing, but im really into this and i want it to happen. Everybody, feel free to throw around ideas while waiting for updates, the more input, the better.

Dylan

[koolpenguin89]

Also, JWymon, i didnt mean to hurt your feelings or anything (i see that you removed your graphic). To be honest with you, im really not one to judge, and the other guys were just trying to give you some helpful critiscism, so you could make it better. I really dont want you to get discouraged by anything said here.

Dylan

[koolpenguin89]

OK everybody, here it is, the first draft of the rules and regulations. Remember, EVERYTHING in this post is negotiable, so if anybody wants to change, add, take away anything, feel free to let me know and it'll be modified.

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General

-Films must be shot on the HV20 or HV30 with any and all mods.
-Films must be shot specifically for the HV20 Forums "HD Shorts Competition".
-Films must be made between (announcement date) and (submission ending date).
-Films must not be publicly aired ANYWHERE before (submission ending date).
-Films must clearly relate to (theme TBA).


Film Criteria

-Films opening credits and main content must not exceed 5 minutes in length. Any credits must not exceed 30 seconds in length.
-Films can be shot in any of the HV20s formats (DV, DV Wide, HDV, HDV 24p).
-Films can be made in any language, but must include subtitles if made in another language than english.
-Films must NOT be rated higher than "R". Mods to determine rating disputes.
-Films must NOT have any copyright violations, and all music must be licensed or royalty free.
-Films can, but do not have to, include a title.
-Films can, but do not have to, include credits (opening or ending). If credits are included, they must contain mention of HV20 Forum.
any credits must not exceed 30 seconds in length.
-Films can be any genre, as long as the clearly relate to (theme TBA).


Theme

-TBA


Submissions

-Films can be submitted as soon as they are ready.
-Films must be submitted to the HV20 Forum no later than (submission ending date).
-Films can ONLY be hosted on Vimeo.com.
-Films must be set to private until (public opening date*), during which time the mod will check all films for content and reject those
that dont qualify.
-A link to the film must be sent to the moderator, who must then be added to the users contact list so that the mod can view the
private video. This link must be recieved by the moderator no later than (submission ending date).

*Public opening date will be 2 days after set Submission ending date,


Scoring, Voting, and Winning

-Films will be submitted in their own thread under the HD Shorts Subforum.
-There will be a sticky thread in the HD Shorts subforum with a poll attached with the names of all films submitted, so that the voting will be automated.
-Voting will begin on (public opening date)
-Voting will take place for 2 weeks, at the end of which, a winner will be announced and prizes will be distributed.




Prizes

-TBA
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with some things, namely the voting and scoring section, i will need the mods to approve the thread and subforum things. Also, i noticed that your limited to 10 options when posting a poll, so i was wondering if there was a way to change that to a higher number.

Dylan

[koolpenguin89]

Ok this has been up for 6 hours and no one has commented? Maybe it is dead in the water.

Dylan

[Mal]

I like it, although it looks a bit too similar to every other one, and especially one in particular.
Will comment on it with some suggestions when I get some more time,....

[Lunchbox]

I would suggest there shouldn't be a theme. It's everything you can do with your HV20/HV30. that will make it easier and to attract more people to join the contest. what do you think?

[Jlew07]

I think it would be nearly impossible to judge a festival without a theme. Every festival I have seen has had a theme or broken down into categories. Maybe we can do categories such as a short film section, a documentary section and misc. Just my thoughts though. :hv20-smilie77:

[Lunchbox]

That's good point too!

Have we talked about prize yet? hehe

[koolpenguin89]

If you read earlier on in this thread, i originally didnt want to have a theme, but then realized how hard it would be to manage. How would we judge, and how would we know it was made for this competition. Thats a very good idea Jlew, and ill give it some more thought as opposed to a theme. And prizes were mentioned briefly. im planning on contacting some of the member son this site who make products and talk to them about sponsorship. And Mal, theres a reason it looks similair. Ive never really done anything like this, and so since this is still the planning stages, i figured i would use the other one as a baseline, and let everyone here change it all they want. So please, everyone, tell me anything and everything you want to be included/excluded in the rules.

Dylan

[VideJo]

Suggestions for some rules:

Max.lenth of film: xxx, incl. leader and credits, Longer films will be removed (to save server space)
Express starting date to upload.
Place a link to the area, where the curent contest will be. If applicable, state the need to log-in there. Explain how the uploading works.
The admin should review each and every film, before placement, to avoid bad stuff.
Express the closing date for the upload.
The movies will not be visible, until the closing date of the uploads. This way, everyone has an equal chance on a healthy rating.
After the films have become visible for everyone, people have one week to evaluate them. After that, people can give there ratings and opinions. during xxxx days.
Contenders do not rate their own film.
Each voter should rate all entries. Ratings of people who did not rate all films will be disregarded.
The highest and lowest rating will be disregarded to avoid extemities in the ratings.

[twoneil]

Include me as a sponsor.

[Terrible]

Also, JWymon, i didnt mean to hurt your feelings or anything (i see that you removed your graphic). To be honest with you, im really not one to judge, and the other guys were just trying to give you some helpful critiscism, so you could make it better. I really dont want you to get discouraged by anything said here.

I saw Jwymon's image and it was way better than the other images, it was professional looking.

I guess you were kidding when you said to jwymon "your photoshop skills dont seem that much better than mine", because they are.

[Terrible]

Suggestions for some rules:

Max.lenth of film: xxx, incl. leader and credits, Longer films will be removed (to save server space)
Express starting date to upload.
Place a link to the area, where the curent contest will be. If applicable, state the need to log-in there. Explain how the uploading works.
The admin should review each and every film, before placement, to avoid bad stuff.
Express the closing date for the upload.
The movies will not be visible, until the closing date of the uploads. This way, everyone has an equal chance on a healthy rating.
After the films have become visible for everyone, people have one week to evaluate them. After that, people can give there ratings and opinions. during xxxx days.
Contenders do not rate their own film.
Each voter should rate all entries. Ratings of people who did not rate all films will be disregarded.
The highest and lowest rating will be disregarded to avoid extemities in the ratings.


The length should be for the Short's content, not the credits. You could suggest to keep the credits not longer than 30 sec. or so... but that shouldn't be an issue. At the movies, most of the people stand from their seats when the credits start rolling anyway.

I don't see the need to have two areas to upload the shorts. You could stick to vimeo.com. Ask everybody to upload their shorts to vimeo and set them private and only visible to a 'Moderator'. This person would be responsible of reviewing all the shorts to make sure they follow the rules and to disqualify those that don't. Make a new channel, for example "HV20Shorts" or something like that administered by the 'Moderator', and the day the voting starts, the moderator can add all the shorts to the channel and ask the participants to make them public. Only those in the channel would be considered for voting.

[koolpenguin89]

JO, i will edit the post to say that there is a 5 minute time limit for opening credits and the films content, and a 30 second limit on credits. I didnt express a starting date to upload because we are still in the planning stages, and i want to have a fixed amount of time in between when the theme is announced and the submission date. Also, i did say that the movies must be kept private on vimeo until the final submission date. I agree that people must rate all films, not just one or two, but how would we go about assuring that? and yes, contenders cant rate their own films.

@Terrible, i agree that 2 areas arent necessary. Unless anyone has any objections, i think ill go your route with vimeo. and if i do it that way, people should be able to begin uploading whenever they like, correct?

Dylan

[VideJo]

Dylan,

During the contests I manage, I keep track of all added comments and ratings. I fill them in in an Excel sheet and have Excel make the calculations. In that sheet I can allso keep a close look at who voted all nd who did not. Closely before the closing date, I send a message to all "violaters".
Unvalid votes are deleted from the spreadsheet and there is the winner!
Please not, that I do not use this complicted method to make myself a winner . . .
LOL

Jo

[lordtangent]

Couldn't we just use the "survey" function of the forum to track votes? After all, there is a submition deadline, and voting would not start until after all submition were in. Each submition would get it's own line in the survey.


P.S. And try to keep the main rules as simple as possible.

HV20/30 + other stuff as tools
Time limit 1-2 min
assigned subject or topic
Deadline


A lot of the other stuff is either imlplicit or impractical for people to "break" the rules on anyway. (like showing it somewhere else first, etc.)

Unless there are huge prizes involved there is not going to be any real motivation for cheating. The goal should be to simply motivate people to make little movies and have fun!

[koolpenguin89]

Jo, while that is a very good idea, and would work very well, i think that lordtangents method is way more simple and just as effective. Maybe a 1-10 numbered system isnt necessary for voting, maybe people should just pick which one they think is best.

Dylan

[NextWaveG]

I'll add my contribution to the logo design if no one minds...

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/4323/hdshortscopyaq0.jpg

[koolpenguin89]

Wow, thats really good, i think it would be good for advertisement. The only thing i would suggest would be instead of it saying "HV20/30" have it say something like "HV20.com" or "HV20 Forum".

Dylan

[Jwymon]

Well at least we know this contest won't fail for lack of concept art.

[Terrible]

Unless there are huge prizes involved there is not going to be any real motivation for cheating. The goal should be to simply motivate people to make little movies and have fun!

It seems that nobody paid attention to Twoneil's offer to be a sponsor.


Include me as a sponsor.

[NextWaveG]

Wow, thats really good, i think it would be good for advertisement. The only thing i would suggest would be instead of it saying "HV20/30" have it say something like "HV20.com" or "HV20 Forum".

Dylan

...and on that suggestion...

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/7761/hv20comav5.jpg

[koolpenguin89]

It seems that nobody paid attention to Twoneil's offer to be a sponsor.

Actually, i sent him a PM. And NextWaveG, can i get your permission to use that?

Dylan

[NextWaveG]

Actually, i sent him a PM. And NextWaveG, can i get your permission to use that?

Dylan

Sure. I've got plenty more where that came from so let me know if you need anything.

[koolpenguin89]

Thanks

[twoneil]

It seems that nobody paid attention to Twoneil's offer to be a sponsor.

No prob. I'm still thinking of a prize.
I assemble static adapters but that would be too obvious.
Also, some already purchased from me and might enter using one of my adapters.

[Ian-T]

I think it would be nearly impossible to judge a festival without a theme. Every festival I have seen has had a theme or broken down into categories. Maybe we can do categories such as a short film section, a documentary section and misc. Just my thoughts though. :hv20-smilie77:I was actually thinking more than one type of theme...so as to keep this more interesting that other contests. Some ideas could be..a romance theme...and action thriller theme...religious theme...etc.,...this way participants can choose which one they prefer.


.....or maybe just one.....yawn....

[koolpenguin89]

Twoneil, i sent you a PM earlier today. Ian, if we were to have more than one type of theme, we might as well just make it open to all entries, without a theme (not that thats out of the question). I think more people should start thinking more about the theme. i personally was thinking "light", because that could be implimented in so many different ways.

Dylan

[VideJo]

Some themes:
Music
5 minutes of rest
From A to B
Commercial
Leader or Intro
Water

[koolpenguin89]

Some themes:
Music
5 minutes of rest
From A to B
Commercial
Leader or Intro
Water

Those are great! keep em comin everybody! maybe we should have a vote on which theme to use? not a formal vote, just a general consensus.

Dylan

[VideJo]

I think though...maybe instead of limiting to just one theme we could have a few types of subjects that potential filmakers can choose from. This to me would make viewing much more interesting.

I think setting only one theme per contest is much more challenging than with multiple themes. Otherwise anyone can add a film he or she made months ago.

[koolpenguin89]

I think setting only one theme per contest is much more challenging than with multiple themes. Otherwise anyone can add a film he or she made months ago.

Thats what i was thinking.

[VideJo]

It stands to reason, that my suggestions come from a contesting environment, that has been up since 2 years and we ran 7 contests so far.

[koolpenguin89]

Wow, your a pretty good source of info then, huh? Also, i agree with you that we should probably stick with one theme, now we just have to decide what it should be.....

Dylan

[Jlew07]

Hey just a thought but what if we did like some other festivals where we send out a list of requirements that had to be in our film such as objects, names of characters and/or even incorporate a small kind of underlying theme. We could just throw in random things and use our creative minds to make a film around them. This could make things interesting.

[koolpenguin89]

That sound cool JLew. Like there must be at least one scene that takes place in a car, a scene involving an animal, and one POV shot (just as examples). Anyone else got some ideas?

Dylan

[VideJo]

A good idea would be not to any abreviatons . . .
When I am in the mood to brag, I sometime say, that English is my second native language, but I honestly do not know what POV stands for . . .

[Kyleman]

A good idea would be not to any abreviatons . . .
When I am in the mood to brag, I sometime say, that English is my second native language, but I honestly do not know what POV stands for . . .

Point
Of
View

[koolpenguin89]

My bad. kyleman got it though

[curteasler]

New here but I think this is all a great idea, in fact it was something I was hoping to see.

My thoughts...pick any theme, any rules and whether you have 3 entires or 1000 entires it doesn't matter it's a success. You learn from the contest and make it better the next go around.

Mistakes are part of the learning process and there is no better way to learn how to run a contest than doing it one time. It's analogous to the HV20 in fact. The first time you pressed record you didn't really know what you are getting into.

My encouragement, koolpenguin89, take what you have heard in the forum and just go with it. Pick a theme, forget making everyone happy; pick some aribitrary rules, do anything at all you want and just go for it. Then when you're ready to go through it again in 6 months you'll know exactly what it is you'd do differently. Learn by experience.

Thanks to all of you for this forum. It's not only served as the reason I bought an HV20, but the answer to 90% of the questions I had afterwards.

[koolpenguin89]

Thanks for the input curteasier. Funny enough, i was thinking earlier that i had better get going on this or people are going to lose interest. However, i think the whole "pick a theme, forget making everyone happy" idea might be a little too harsh. Alot of the people on this forum are really cool, and i value there opinions. That being said, it is time to get this show on the road.

To anyone who will compete in this competition, please send me a PM saying so, so that i can an idea of how many people would actually compete. I can show this info to possible sponsors to see if they would like to contribute to the prizes.

Dylan

[curteasler]

"Alot of the people on this forum are really cool, and i value there opinions."

I'll gladly second that, I do not mean to disvalue any opinion, just excited to see it all come together.

Thanks for running with this.

[koolpenguin89]

Come on people, i need those PM's. I know alot of you want to compete, so let me know!

Dylan

[VideJo]

You want sollicitors for the contest? Would'nt you get more response after you stated the theme and / or date of start?

[1]

To anyone who will compete in this competition, please send me a PM saying so, so that i can an idea of how many people would actually compete. I can show this info to possible sponsors to see if they would like to contribute to the prizes.

Couple of observations.

First off, it would be cool to see this take off, and I applaud your efforts.

Regarding the above quoted part; this will never be financially benefitial to sponsors. Sponsors will 'donate' their prizes out of good-will, NOT because it will give them good return on their "advertising dollar"; especially given lack of a track record of the contest.
Besides, it is the traffic and the total number of members of the whole site, hv20.com that dictates the financial viablity of any potential return of the sponsorship, NOT the amount of entries of the contest.

But more importantly; the receiving of prizes of any kind should really NOT be the motivation for entering this competition/film festival. One can get enough benefit out of entering WITHOUT winning anything.
As a rough guesstimate, you can expect about 50 who will commit to entering the festival, and about 12-20 who do actually enter (ALL DEPENDING ON HOW RESTRICTING the rules are going to be, and HOW APPEALING the theme is, of course.)

Like I posted earlier, I would of hoped this film festival could of somehow had its own identity, and be different in some way from the other 5000 such festivals.
Without its own identity it will soon fade away, if indeed it ever takes off.

I can srongly suggest that this be organized simply, and without expectations.

Just pick some VERY SIMPLE RULES, a VERY SHORT MAXIMUM FILM DURATION (I recommend 2 or 3 minutes), a VERY APPEALING and SIMPLE theme, a start date, a finish date, and let the contest begin.


If you try and overthink this at this stage it will be doomed before it takes off.

Like I mentioned earlier, admin will assist in any way it can...

:hv20-smilie72::hv20-smilie72::hv20-smilie72:

[1]

Here's one idea:

- HD short film shot on HV20/30;
- max. 45 seconds long;
- theme is a parody of any famous movie (ala "Be Kind Rewind")
- title not to reveal movie the short is based on (needs to be guessed)

[koolpenguin89]

You know what mal, your right. Whats the worst that could happen? The competition will begin tommorow, i will post rules and a theme and all necessary dates. If people want to compete, thats gret, if not, oh well. Ill try to scrape up some cash for a prize if no sponsors come forward, if not, youll get the joy of winning.
Edit: And the Honour ! !

Dylan

[VideJo]

And the Honour ! !

[koolpenguin89]

lol, right on

[Ian-T]

I think setting only one theme per contest is much more challenging than with multiple themes. Otherwise anyone can add a film he or she made months ago.This is a good point. But he problem I always had with that is the quality of the submissions. You might get one or two or a few good films out of many bad or rushed ones. Honestly, and this might be just me, I really want to see quality material done by any and everyone. Those 48 hour or two week (whatever) contests are cool and they are what they are...but how about shooting for material that was well thought out and mastered.

Ex: I am not good at writing "love" themes but I am good at "action" type themes...but since this contest is all about "Love" then I think I'll bow out of this one.<<<<If you give people a little more to work with then you have the potential to get some great stuff.... just a thought....but if it's one theme...then you'll have no argument from me...but...:hv20-smilie126:

Edit: But I guess we should not over think this like Mal suggested...so I'll let it be.

[koolpenguin89]

that is a very good point ian, which is why im going to use a very broad and easily manipulated theme, meaning people can pretty much turn it into anything they want. youll have to wait to see what it is though :)

Dylan

[K1N3T1C5]

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/1109/hv20hdshortsxe2.jpg

There's my submission, I got bored and decided to make one :P Rough rough idea

I couldn't think of anything for a background so thats what I threw together

[ddavidd20]

This is a good point. But he problem I always had with that is the quality of the submissions. You might get one or two or a few good films out of many bad or rushed ones. Honestly, and this might be just me, I really want to see quality material done by any and everyone. Those 48 hour or two week (whatever) contests are cool and they are what they are...but how about shooting for material that was well thought out and mastered.


yeah I completely agree with you on this one. my friends and I partook in the 48 hour festival up here in portland this past year and we got fourth overall. I was a little disappointed because we definetly could have done better but I had to share creative control with some of the people who were in charge of the finances. kinda sounds like studio heads and hollywood doesn't it? :hv20-smilie87:

but yeah when we were working on the project I just kept on thinking how I wish I had more time on this project, so something with a general theme is always alot better to judge for competitions like this.

forgot to say, koolpenguin, it's real nice to see someone taking charge of something like this. I'm definetly interesting in entering something. I would really hope to see that time limit is 4-5 minutes, as I've worked on many short films and GENERALLY 2-3 with credits and opening titles is a little short.

[1]

...and opening titles is a little short.


To be totally blunt, I think opening credits and titles (unless crucial to the story) DO NOT BELONG in a short film (of less than 5 minutes duration).

[ddavidd20]

To be totally blunt, I think opening credits and titles (unless crucial to the story) DO NOT BELONG in a short film (of less than 5 minutes duration).

i didn't say opening credits lol, why would anyone using opening credits on a short film

and title cards take up what, 2-5 seconds? in any competition you need a title card to differentiate the films easily, unless they are all online at different sources

[1]

"why would anyone using opening credits on a short film"

About 90% of them do...which is a shame, as it adds nothing but actually takes away from the viewing experience.

[ddavidd20]

About 90% of them do...which is a shame, as it adds nothing but actually takes away from the viewing experience.

it is a shame, i think it's about 60% that i've seen (then again that's probably because I tend to stay away from judging competitions. i think credits are way more effective at the end of the film anyways as no one really focuses on who is *actually* in the film because that kinda detracts from them assuming that character in their minds, if you know what i mean.

[1]

Aye agree.

Oh, and your 60% is probably accurate for films that actually pass the submission judges. (I remember passing on a film a few years back that showed a dog releaving itself...for 10 minutes....I vaguely recall that having opening credits, although that wasn't the reason we rejected its inclusion in the festival! :))

I'd say it's probably more than 90% of short films that actually get made.

A shame indeed.

[ddavidd20]

Aye agree.

Oh, and your 60% is probably accurate for films that actually pass the submission judges. (I remember passing on a film a few years back that showed a dog releaving itself...for 10 minutes....I vaguely recall that having opening credits, although that wasn't the reason we rejected its inclusion in the festival! :))

I'd say it's probably more than 90% of short films that actually get made.

A shame indeed.

Yeah, I guess I'm glad I only deal with that 60%.

Say, aren't those rules and guidelines supposed to come out today?

[craig.pinkerton]

Guys,

This is my first post as I've only just recently purchased a HV20.

I think the idea of a contest is great. Personally I'm not after any sort of prize, but I am interested an idea or theme that will get my mind thinking and allow me to experiment with my new toy.

As for rules around the contest, I'm only new so I don't want to speak out of turn, but I think you should make it as simple as possible. No expensive attachments like a steadycam or 35mm adapter etc. Why not just make it the camera and a tripod. That should put everyone on the same level in terms of equipment.

Regards,

Craig

[ddavidd20]

Guys,

This is my first post as I've only just recently purchased a HV20.

I think the idea of a contest is great. Personally I'm not after any sort of prize, but I am interested an idea or theme that will get my mind thinking and allow me to experiment with my new toy.

As for rules around the contest, I'm only new so I don't want to speak out of turn, but I think you should make it as simple as possible. No expensive attachments like a steadycam or 35mm adapter etc. Why not just make it the camera and a tripod. That should put everyone on the same level in terms of equipment.

Regards,

Craig


Welcome Craig, nice to see you enjoy your new toy.

Anyways, as you were saying about the competition, the only problem with that is there would be no real way to control those kind of parameters. How would you make sure that everyone only uses a camera and tripod and absolutely nothing else? A flipside to that is that it is very difficult to do everything effectively with just a camera and tripod. You probably at the least need an external mic, unless it is a virtually silent film or you do a ton of adr work. I mean, with those parameters, you couldn't even use headphones? (which helps tremendously if you plan on using on-location audio).

I could see what you mean by trying to even the playing field, but myself and a lot of other people on these forums could tell you that good film-making doesn't coming down to who is the most technologically equipped or adept. If you are good at film-making, it will show.

[1]

...good film-making doesn't coming down to who is the most technologically equipped or adept. If you are good at film-making, it will show.

Truer words have seldom been written!
:hv20-smilie77:

[cgsrfr]

Hey guys this is a great idea to get us out there using our camera's. Even if I come up with something that is crap I'm sure I'll learn something in the process. Lets hammer down the contest rules and do it. Who cares about prizes, it bragging rights baby! Could we have a Short less than 1 min and full up to 5 min entry? I want to get started!!!! I also think we should post if we use any mod's so that way we can tell what's going on.

[betasx]

I agree with cgsrfr lets get this going, just got back in town and checked in to see all of this contest talk going on. What do we need to get this started?

Skip worrying about prizes, lets give a cool little avatar to the winner(s) and call it good this time.

Also as far as content just pick a little theme or not, I liked the previous post of the movie parody, just worry about copyright laws and such.

I think we can all agree that its much easier to expand upon a great idea a little at a time rather than the go big or go home all or nothing approach.

[koolpenguin89]

hehe, i know your all anxious, just give me another couple of minutes (literally) to post it up. And dont worry about prizes, there will be some good ones.

Dylan

[betasx]

I wait sleepless with excitement, ok not really just got back from Lewis Black live.

But I am excited nonetheless I'll contact my partner in crime tomorrow and inform him of the news.

We've been waiting to get into another fest since shooting this out boredom http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=26654011

Its just the trailer, the short is complete but waiting for reveal at a local fest in April.

[1]

...I liked the previous post of the movie parody, just worry about copyright laws and such.

That be me! :)
Oh, and since it's a parody, this would fall under fair use as defined by the supreme court; "the Supreme Court reached the unequivocal conclusion that a parody falls within the scope of the fair-use defense."
http://www.publaw.com/parody.html

[koolpenguin89]

ok, i know i said just a couple more minutes, and i did submit the thread, but i guess it hasnt made it past the mods as of yet? soon hoprfully.

Dylan

[betasx]

Very good to know about the parody issue, look mom its Sunday and I learned something new:hv20-smilie03:

Mal I agree with you, credits on a short film do take away from the overall experience. I try to avoid credits but sometimes in the end those credits are all you have to barter locations and "help" from certain places and people. An example, you promised that diner or warehouse manager that you'd throw them in the end credits if they just let you take over their property for 3 hours. For the up and coming filmamker the credits are sometimes the only barter system they have to keep shooting somewhere.

My opinion is opening credits bad end credits good.

NOW LETS START FILMING!!!

[koolpenguin89]

While i agree that opening credits take away from the artistic quality of a film, i personally am more convinced by a movie with good opening credits. What im trying to say is that if the are done professionally, like they are in the movie theatres, it helps to sell the illusion that im in a movie theatre watching a studio film. IMO, it makes the whole thing seem more professional (even though it takes the viewer out of the story somewhat).

Dylan

[K1N3T1C5]

Hmmm, maybe opening credits could be optional? They wouldn't count against the actual duration of the film. So if the limit is 5 minutes, but the opening credits add another 15 seconds, a contestant won't be penalized?

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/1109/hv20hdshortsxe2.jpg

[betasx]

Like I said I try to avoid them but if I can't I try to incorporate them into the opening somehow. When you only get 5 mins to tell a complete story every second counts. Plus I like the credits on video look, come on think of TOPGUN yeah imagine that all in black :hv20-smilie119: did sob a bit I thought so. If they push the story along or help out I guess they're ok in my book then. But I still don't want to sit through 2 mins of credits and watch a 45 sec story though.:hv20-smilie72:

[1]

I understand your thinking; but it is flawed! :hv20-smilie03::hv20-smilie03::hv20-smilie03:

1) You are NOT in a movie theatre!
2) It is a SHORT film; where you can't afford one single frame to be wasted. You have a few minutes, vs 90+, and this shouldn't be taken up by showing off your AE skills. A short story is different then a full length movie, and different 'rules' apply. Pacing is different. Structure is [somewhat] different.

Hey I don't care if opening credits are in or not; I am just saying that it is a turn-off to most selection judges.

Credits belong at the end of a short. Learn that lesson, and you'll be more successful in showing your shorts at major film festivals.



...What im trying to say is that if the are done professionally, like they are in the movie theatres,.....

[VideJo]

I wonder how I got my awards, stating only myself and my wife in the credits.
Is not this kind of meager?
Or are the others (with more extensive credits) just bragging . . .?
LOL

[1]

Hahaha, exactly.
credits are just that; telling us who did what; they shouldn't be part of the film...unless of course, you had a talent such as Saul Bass at your disposal; although even then, not really suitable for a short.

[ddavidd20]

Sounds great, good job penguin. Funny thing is, I was in the process of writing a screenplay for a short film, and I realized that there are tons of narrative and technical aspects of technology within it

[blazer003]

What is the entry fee? It says on film rules #6 all entry fees will be returned, but I fail to see where it lists the entry fee?

[koolpenguin89]

ok ok ok, after numerous PMs, i am thinking about changing the 2 categories thing to just one. anyone who objects, please tell me. if not, ill change it tommorow (monday the 10th) at noon.

Dylan

P.S. People are also asking me about the theme. its not like you have to make a documentary about the structure of micro circuits, just try to make your film relate to technology in one way or another. We live in the 21st century, this shouldnt be too hard :)

[1]

Simplicity will prevail. One category is sweet.

[koolpenguin89]

Oh, one more thing. Would anyone have any feelings, one way or the other, if i were to compete? Since im not in charge of judging or anything, i didnt think it would matter, but i want to see if anyone would object. Let me know.

Dylan

[1]

I think there's no problem with you competing, since, like you mention, you are like "one of us" when it comes to judging.
And this is our first contest; and we do need to make this fun for all, after all...

[Kyleman]

Do you think we should forget about a theme? Because not everyone can really fit just one theme into a film. Instead of a theme, just let people pick their genre (i.e Action, Drama, Comedy, etc.). Like me, I specialize in Action films. For technology, I would probably do an Action/Sci-Fi, just as an example. My point is, not everyones specialties/budget might not support this "Theme". I would make it to just accept any Genre/Theme. Anyone who will vote, will vote for a story, not for a certain theme. Just my 2 Cents.


-Kyle

[koolpenguin89]

Well kyle, the idea is to test a filmmakers creativity and ingenuity. A theme like technology can really be made into anything, and its up to the filmmaker to do that. For example, it could be a scifi film about aliens invading, or it could be a film about a family struggling to stay afloat during the american industrial revolution, or it could be about a computer repair man, who gets so fed up with the stupid questions that he creates a computer virus that shuts down electricity to an entire country, and havoc reigns, and in the end he realizes that mankind earns to learn, especially from there mistakes....(okay, that last one may be a bit beyond the scope of a 5 minute film, but you get the point, right?)

Dylan

[Kyleman]

Ah, Gotcha. So it's kinda of a contest and a challenge. Whoever creates a movie around the theme(Technology) and does the best job with the film, wins. Yeah I thought it was just going to be a film contest.

[ddavidd20]

Ah, Gotcha. So it's kinda of a contest and a challenge. Whoever creates a movie around the theme(Technology) and does the best job with the film, wins. Yeah I thought it was just going to be a film contest.

ummm, there are plenty of film contests that I can name where you have to comply with a theme

[koolpenguin89]

ummm, there are plenty of film contests that I can name where you have to comply with a theme

I think you missed the point entirely...

[ATN_Productions]

Going for the Apple look.


http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5720/hv20canonec2.jpg



-ATN

[ddavidd20]

I think you missed the point entirely...

Umm...I think you did actually. By him saying he *thought* it was just going to be a film contest implies, in his mind, that the theme makes this also into sort of a challenge. My rebuttal was that just because there is a theme requirement, doesn't mean it can't be a film contest.

it's not the film that best fits the theme that is going to win, it's the best film that incorporates the theme that will win.

[koolpenguin89]

Ah, Gotcha. So it's kinda of a contest and a challenge.

I rest my case

[Avene]

Sounds great, I might try and put something together for this.

Just curious, are 35mm adapters allowed to be used? Since not everyone has access to a 35mm adapter, I thought it might be fair to exclude them so that everyone is on an equal playing field so to speak. See what people can come up with just using the basic camera itself and no additional image enhancements including wide angle adapters also.

Anyway, just a thought.

[koolpenguin89]

Other people have mentioned that in this thread as well (see quote below), and while it would even the playing field, where would it stop? if we eliminate 35mm adapters, we would have to eliminate wide angle lenses, and uv filters, and external microphones. read below.


Quote:
Originally Posted by craig.pinkerton
Guys,

This is my first post as I've only just recently purchased a HV20.

I think the idea of a contest is great. Personally I'm not after any sort of prize, but I am interested an idea or theme that will get my mind thinking and allow me to experiment with my new toy.

As for rules around the contest, I'm only new so I don't want to speak out of turn, but I think you should make it as simple as possible. No expensive attachments like a steadycam or 35mm adapter etc. Why not just make it the camera and a tripod. That should put everyone on the same level in terms of equipment.

Regards,

Craig

Welcome Craig, nice to see you enjoy your new toy.

Anyways, as you were saying about the competition, the only problem with that is there would be no real way to control those kind of parameters. How would you make sure that everyone only uses a camera and tripod and absolutely nothing else? A flipside to that is that it is very difficult to do everything effectively with just a camera and tripod. You probably at the least need an external mic, unless it is a virtually silent film or you do a ton of adr work. I mean, with those parameters, you couldn't even use headphones? (which helps tremendously if you plan on using on-location audio).

I could see what you mean by trying to even the playing field, but myself and a lot of other people on these forums could tell you that good film-making doesn't coming down to who is the most technologically equipped or adept. If you are good at film-making, it will show.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ddavidd20
...good film-making doesn't coming down to who is the most technologically equipped or adept. If you are good at film-making, it will show.
Truer words have seldom been written!

[ddavidd20]

I rest my case

lol, is it really that hard of a concept for you to follow?

[twoneil]

I feel that the theme is very lenient and open to many possible films.
I'm also hoping that the judges will be tolerant in determining the qualifications of a film.

In any case, the viewers will still have to vote for the best video, not so much in strict terms with the theme, but the most deserving winner in many aspects.


Any film that obviously digresses from the theme will stand out from the rest.
This is not to the advantage of the filmmaker since the viewers might find the film odd and even a bit weird.

[Lucasberg]

What is the difference between A -Short Format < 2 mins B -Long Format > 2 mins ?

[betasx]

What is the difference between A -Short Format < 2 mins B -Long Format > 2 mins ?

If I have this right it means:

Short format being Less than 2 minutes

Long format being greater than 2 minutes

But that being said this may be changing to only one format category.

koolpenguin89 is that correct?

[koolpenguin89]

OK, im changing it. All films must be no longer than 6 minutes (including any credits). Have at it everybody.

Dylan

[mancha]

Great idea!!!! but technology? i know we are all technology nerds here:) but i dont think i ever seen a film with that theme.. what happend to themes like Love, betrayl, revenge:)...?

but i love a challange.. im in!!

[ddavidd20]

Great idea!!!! but technology? i know we are all technology nerds here:) but i dont think i ever seen a film with that theme.. what happend to themes like Love, betrayl, revenge:)...?

but i love a challange.. im in!!

you haven't seen a film with technology as a theme that works in and out of the movie? i can name at least 10 off the top of my head but the big ones would be 2001, blade runner, dr. strangelove, i mean you could argue so many science fiction films as well that I haven't even touched on. I mean seriously, I haven't even started with modern things like A.I., Minority Report, I Am Legend, etc.

[koolpenguin89]

Mancha, after i first posted the theme, i started thinking the same things that you are, but now i have a bunch of ideas brewin around in my head. Just apply yourself, im sure youll figure something out.

Dylan

[mancha]

Well, ok if those movies are about technology then i´ve seen it:) maby i missunderstod the meaning of technology as theme (english is not my native language) for me those movies are pretty classic films with classic themes but in a sci-fi style, i dont think the theme of these movies are technology? but maby im wrong:)
and even if i love my hv20 i dont think i would try to do any of those kinds of movies with it..

but i will give this theme a shot..:hv20-smilie03:

[koolpenguin89]

Once again, the theme shouldnt be the end all be all when it comes to aspects of your film. Pretty much if you can BS me into believing its centered around technology, ill let it in. And most of all, have fun with it!!!

Dylan

[1]

Wait, koolpenguin89, you wrote about "letting it in"; are you saying YOU are the gatekeeper for submissions?
If yes, then are you still entering yourself?

I'd see it's either or.

You can enter, but in that instance you should NOT have submission authority (and not be judge of course, which we talked about earlier).

[koolpenguin89]

No, im not really the "gatekeeper", but i am moderating the channel on vimeo, so i have to make sure that no one has an porno or beheading scenes or anything like that, and i figured i should also make sure they adhere to the time limit and somehow relate to the theme. If anyone else would like to moderate that channel instead of me, that would be fine, but no one has come forward. If you still dont want me to compete, thats fine too. I think ill make a film anyway, just to show off my skills to you guys :) (im not all that desperate for prize money anyways).

Dylan

[1]

No, im not really the "gatekeeper", but i am moderating the channel on vimeo, so i have to make sure that no one has an porno or beheading scenes or anything like that, and i figured i should also make sure they adhere to the time limit and somehow relate to the theme.


I'm afraid THAT is the definition of a submission judge/gatekeeper.

So, we either need a SEPARATE person to do that, or you shouldn't enter.

I don't "do" vimeo, so not too sure about the inner workings of that site, but you possibly could leave the submission review to some of the hv20.com mods (providing they also do not enter themselves, of course).

Sorry, don't mean to be mean; but this line needs to be VERY clear. You can't enter, and be part of the process (other than administrative).
Again, it sounds like you do want to enter a film, so we do need to find someone else to check the films and approving/disapproving them.

[Ian-T]

Going for the Apple look.


-ATN

I know you bit this off apple...but I like the look.

[koolpenguin89]

Ok, i wont enter a film in the contest. Its probably best, im really swamped with other stuff at the moment anyways (2 productions at one time is bad enough, 3 might kill me). I tried putting myself in yours mal, as well as everyone elses, shoes. i wouldnt want the contest mods competing either.

Dylan

[Erik Bien]

Here's an off-the-wall suggestion: maybe judges could award extra credit for the most artistic use of our favorite little camera's most well-known foibles?

I'd love to see rolling shutter shear, hard-clipped whites, high gain/slow shutter, tape-drive whine, etc. used as defendable artistic choices.

... or maybe I need to get some sleep! :hv20-smilie126:

[koolpenguin89]

Erik, thats a very good idea, but this contest has already started. Maybe for the next one?
We could call it "Auto HD" lol

Dylan

[musicjules]

ok , i'm IN !!
let's rock this fest !!

important note : i'm part of a french electronic group : JUNES (http://www.junes.fr)
if anyone need a soundtrack, an original score... let us know what you planed and what you want... we have like 20tracks ready to use. and we will be happy to help those who want something original.
if you want to ear what we do : PODCAST OF JUNES (http://podcast.junes.fr) (need itunes)
but we also do scores ad the one for the metro project i had HERE (http://hv20.com/showthread.php?t=6895&highlight=parisian)

cheers +++

[koolpenguin89]

cool, thanks for your help jules, and good luck with your film.

Dylan

[NextWaveG]

I'm in! Give me a chance to try out my new toys.

[Croaker]

I went to go see what musicjules is up to and Junes kicked me right in the ass.
You guys ROCK! That Van Halen mix is sick. I really like that Star 69 remix too.

Where can I get some of your original stuff? Seriously. :hv20-smilie149:

[jmalmsten]

okok... so... I may be a little slow... and maybe I missed the announcement?

Is the theme "Technology"?

wait... damn... I am slow in the head today... it said "Technology" in the rules...

So, Cyberpunk it is then... I'll get something together... And considering the inspirational movies I've been watching lately, I just hope it would make it past the "R" rated limit...;)

[musicjules]

I went to go see what musicjules is up to and Junes kicked me right in the ass.
You guys ROCK! That Van Halen mix is sick. I really like that Star 69 remix too.

Where can I get some of your original stuff? Seriously. :hv20-smilie149:

^^ thank you man!

well tell me if you want any track ... let me know. most of our work is not out for download for a important reason : as many dj's we don't release all our work and play it live... this is how we make our sets original and unique. this is how we are booked in great clubs here in paris and belgium.


ROCK ON !!!


edit: the tracks you'r talking about are : Unchained dudun-dun - Van Halen vs Para one (Junes bootleg) and Don't Believe A Hype - Boys Noize (69 mamamama JUNES REMIX)

2nd edit : only for you an extract of the PODCAST n°9 :
timbaland ft. nelly_furtado and justin timberlake . rock_it_to_me_in the casbah_(JUNES BOOTLEG) (http://www.zshare.net/audio/893391866b9da7/)

[musicjules]

another subject : i'm on planning the shots and well 9th APRIL ! that's tomorow ! are you sure not giving a little more time ? lol

[koolpenguin89]

erm, im not sure where you are, but here in present time, tommorow is march 15th :). The competition started on march 9th, and runs till april 9th, thats one month. If alot of people are having trouble meeting the deadline, i suppose it could be changed, but so far your the only one ive heard from, jules.

Dylan

[musicjules]

erm, im not sure where you are, but here in present time, tommorow is march 15th :). The competition started on march 9th, and runs till april 9th, thats one month. If alot of people are having trouble meeting the deadline, i suppose it could be changed, but so far your the only one ive heard from, jules.

Dylan

i know i know but i to be precise i saw the contest 4 days ago and i decided to participate 2 days ago .... doesn't matter ! i'll reach the deadlines !!

[jjackso4]

i love the idea! but my question is how official is this contest? i mean are you allowing use of copyrighted music and stuff like that?

[Lunchbox]

jjackso4, look at rule #7.

[jjackso4]

oh sorry... missed that one. Thanks!

[spencer4higher]

has any of admin guys thought of starting a specific channel on Vimeo for this? That way on the deadline date you can post all of the videos on there. Not that I dislike the HV20 channel on Vimeo but its to vague. We need a contest specific channel i.e. hv20shorts or hv20contest or just hv20dotcom.

[Terrible]

has any of admin guys thought of starting a specific channel on Vimeo for this?


Try to read the whole thread if you are interested in the subject... look at post #148.

[spencer4higher]

sorry, didn't have time to read 7 pages of this.

[koolpenguin89]

Spencer, i have created the channel on vimeo (i made it before i even posted the rules). If you read the rules, number 4 under "posting" gives a hyperlink to the channel. Here it is again incase you missed it: HD Shorts (http://www.vimeo.com/HDShorts). And heres a link to the rules if you havent read them yet: Rules (http://hv20.com/showthread.php?t=8078). They are the first sticky in this subforum. Sorry for any confusion.

Dylan

[Jon Neely]

Someone should go talk to dennis from cinevate to donate a Brevis, ore Wayne to donate a sgpro, or Brian to donate a M2, or letus to donate an mini extreme... just Ideas

Cheers,

Jon

[musicjules]

Someone should go talk to dennis from cinevate to donate a Brevis, ore Wayne to donate a sgpro, or Brian to donate a M2, or letus to donate an mini extreme... just Ideas

Cheers,

Jon

could be GREAT !
do we know how many people are in ? i mean how many films are in the competition ?

[surftwisted]

deadlines ?

[electro]

I'll be interested in doing this, if there's some organization.

[Erik Bien]

Guys, please, READ THE THREAD before posting; deadlines, upload destination, rules, and everything you'd ever want to know about the competition have all been stated unambiguously before.

[koolpenguin89]

Ya everyone, its perfectly organized, the rules and deadlines have been set. Jusr read the stickies, its not rocket science! :) Jules, i have only recieved a couple of confirmations of participartion, but i think there are more, judging by how many people are posting in this thread. I will try contacting some of the people that Jon mentioned, but i dont think everyone should focus on all the prizes (however, Twoneil has been VERY generous with his donations). Just go out there and make a good film!

Dylan

[Mr. Mingo]

Any chance of letting an HG10 user in on this? Seeing as how its essentially the same camera just with a different way of recording footage. I'd really like to enter, maybe I could just enter for fun, not to be judged. Anyway Ill let the thread starter decide.

[koolpenguin89]

Well, this is the title of the subforums categories:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd22/pwr2thepenguins/screen4.jpg
Im not really sure, i mean, if i let an HG10 in, then people could argue that an HVX or an XL-H1 should be allowed too. I think ill leave it up to the other members here to decide.

Anyone who doesnt think that a film should be shot for this competition on any other camera than the HV20/30, please post here.

Dylan

[jjackso4]

are multiple entries allowed cause we'll be finished with production this weekend and should have a bit of time on my hands? not that i will have enough time for more than one... but just in case.

[Jwymon]

Well, this is the title of the subforums categories:
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd22/pwr2thepenguins/screen4.jpg
Im not really sure, i mean, if i let an HG10 in, then people could argue that an HVX or an XL-H1 should be allowed too. I think ill leave it up to the other members here to decide.

Anyone who doesnt think that a film should be shot for this competition on any other camera than the HV20/30, please post here.


That sounds like crazy talk. :hv20-smilie81: I'm pretty sure we can draw a line somewhere between the HV20, HR10, HV10, HG10, HV30 crowd and the XL-H1 and HVX (not even canon!). The HG10 is the same camera as the HV20 except it uses AVCHD (But so does the HR10 you listed!!!).

I just had to say something if you are talking about allowing an HR10 and not the HG10... I just have an HV20, but it doesn't seem fair to me to exclude the HG10. I don't mind if it is only HV20/30, but don't let it be HV10 and HR10 without HG10.

[koolpenguin89]

Jwymon, thats a good point, any cameras that have very similair features to the HV20 will be allowed.

Jjackso, yes, multiple entries are fine

Dylan

[Duke]

A lot of those other cameras have their own websites and their own contests limited to them. It's your contest, but if you're going to promote the HV20/HV30 you ought to limit it to our cameras.

AND Maybe we need a contest for feature films shot entirely on the HV20/HV30. :hv20-smilie03:

Duke

[Timay]

What Duke said.

Tim

[koolpenguin89]

This is the first contest, and i want to get as many entries as possible. As he noted, the cameras are very similair, minus the recording medium/format. Maybe next time ill make the rules a little more harsh, but this is really kind of a trial run, and i dont want to deter any future competitiors.

Dylan

[VidmakerEC]

Hello everyone! Here is a little inspiration for the contest, hope you like it. I'd appreciate any comments :hv20-smilie03:

[CamWa11]

This seems like a cool mini contest, I wish i heard of it earlier, im new and only stumbled upon this site a week ago. But if possible id like to submit. Is the theme still technology, and how many contestants are there so far?

[musicjules]

i think i won't make it , 9th april is too short !

[koolpenguin89]

I think alot of people are having trouble meeting the deadline. Please, anyone, if you think the deadline is too soon, PM me immediately!

Dylan

[koolpenguin89]

Ok, ive only received 2 PMs about having trouble meeting the deadline, and i dont think that enough to change it. Unless i receive alot more, it seems like ill keep the deadline where it is. Sorry guys.

Dylan

[musicjules]

doesn't matter i'll post my short as "out of competition" short ^^ for the results ! a quetion : how many shorts will be made for the comp ? does anyone know ?

[Reeven]

I just found out about this, and it's not likely I'll have something ready in time for the contest. If I don't, will there ever be another contest?

[koolpenguin89]

I may be extending the contest a couple of weeks, give me another day or two to decide (and count the PMs). Reeven, the likely hood of this competiton becoming a regular thing depends solely upon how many entrants we get. If 50 people enter this time, i will surely hold another one, but if 5 people enter, maybe not.

dylan

[Reeven]

I may be extending the contest a couple of weeks, give me another day or two to decide (and count the PMs). Reeven, the likely hood of this competiton becoming a regular thing depends solely upon how many entrants we get. If 50 people enter this time, i will surely hold another one, but if 5 people enter, maybe not.

dylan

That sounds reasonable.

[koolpenguin89]

Alright, after a surge of PMs about extending the contest, i have decided that i will. The new deadline will be April 30th, a 3 week extension. Hopefully this will give everybody enough time.

Also everybody please remember that you can send me a PM with the url of your (protected) Vimeo video, and completed entry form, as soon as your done. The more entries i get in early, the better, so i wont be swamped with entries on April 30th.

Dylan

[ddavidd20]

Alright, after a surge of PMs about extending the contest, i have decided that i will. The new deadline will be April 30th, a 3 week extension. Hopefully this will give everybody enough time.

Also everybody please remember that you can send me a PM with the url of your (protected) Vimeo video, and completed entry form, as soon as your done. The more entries i get in early, the better, so i wont be swamped with entries on April 30th.

Dylan

THANK YOU

[Reeven]

Excellent. Hopefully this will give me the time I need. Many thanks.

[thelostduck]

Anybody know where I can get royalty free music to use?

[Duke]

At a very low cost when on sale ($9.95) you can get small collections of royalty free music from http://www.digitaljuice.com/

I wait until one I want is on sale, but don't have them ship. Then I wait until something else is on sale and have them ship at the end of the month.

Duke

[Kyleman]

Also try Shockwave-Sound (http://www.shockwave-sound.com/). Great stuff.

[destruct007]

hah well I'm glad you're extending it. I just got my camera today, going to try to shoot a short short, this weekend, and see what I can come up with. I know there's not much time left, so I guess I'll either be a surprise entrance or an unsurprising absence. :)

[popnfresh]

I'm sort of in the same boat. I've been on the forums for over a month now, but never seemed to enter this particular thread.

I'll try to get a short done in the two or so weeks left. Will the voting just be held on HV20.com?

I'm trying to figure out the demographics/likes of this community to see how I should shoot this short and for future contests as well.

[tiny]

I have a suggestion:

Many of us have just got out HV20's. So we have not had time to make a short film. However many of us probably have made short films on cheaper/lower end cameras. Perhaps for this first go around, you should allow all entries from camera's, as long as they were not shot on cameras nicer than the HV30, because I do see how someone could come in with a super nice camera and own everyone elses on professional quality, and that would suck, but it is to no ones detriment if someone uses their digital camera to make a short.

I am biased on this, because I have a film I would love to submit for this first competition, but it was filmed on a $100 camera. :P My HV20 will not arrive for another day or so.

[koolpenguin89]

yes, you must be a member of HV20.com to vote. Im glad you guys are interested in participating, and i hope you have enough time to finish, the more entries we get, the better!

Dylan

[koolpenguin89]

Actually tiny, in the rules it states that the film must be shot specifically for the HD Shorts competition, so it wouldn't matter anyways.

Dylan

[destruct007]

Well I'm not going to make it, hopped to shoot my script this weekend, but for my actor friends it was too last minute. :hv20-smilie119:
Hopefully there will be another one, and hopfully the same sponsor :hv20-smilie03:. I was dreaming that if I could win I'd try to trade that winnings for a DOF adaptor.... that'd be sweeeet.

[koolpenguin89]

Sorry to her that, destruct007. If we get enough entrants, i will put serious thought into hosting another contest.

Dylan

[popnfresh]

just out of curiousity how many entrants have entered so far?
I figure the current number would be kinda low, since probably all the entries will be as late as possible?

[koolpenguin89]

Actually, popnfresh, i have not had any entries yet. However, i have revieved lots of PM's form people that are in the process of making their shorts, so hopefully ill start to get entries soon.

Dylan

[koolpenguin89]

Update everybody: I have received a number of request for another extension. The last extension was 3 weeks, making the deadline April 30th. I am not completely opposed to another extension, but i want to see how many people would actually benefit from it. So, anyone who wants the deadline extended, please PM me (even if you have already done so, please PM again), and let me know how much more time would be needed. Thanks.

Dylan

[popnfresh]

i think it would be beneficial if people actully had to register beforehand. so there would be an idea of the particpants. so if we could set like a new (FINAL) deadline for like May 31st. And entrances need to be entered by say.. May 15th. Meaning that the films won't need to be finished by that date, but its a signal of intent that they will be entering.. i dunno. just an idea.

[scottmcleod]

i think it would be beneficial if people actully had to register beforehand. so there would be an idea of the particpants. so if we could set like a new (FINAL) deadline for like May 31st. And entrances need to be entered by say.. May 15th. Meaning that the films won't need to be finished by that date, but its a signal of intent that they will be entering.. i dunno. just an idea.

Agreed. Me, Pop & imamac are all local to eachother, but we realised that April 30th is a little tight for producing something nice.

Also, there's no indication anywhere of who's "in" for this round.

[orchidsofwrath]

In case you havn't seen the sub forum yet from the home page... theres a contest for narrative short films here on HV20.com! hosted by the beloved koolpenguin89! The theme is technology and you all still have till april 30th to enter! GO CHECK IT OUT EVERYONE!!! THERE ARE SOME GREAT PRIZES UP FOR WINNERS!

Edit: Looks like there may be a deadline extension, which will alow you guys more time. If you'd like an extension you should PM koolpenguin89 because he says if he gets enough PMs he'd extend the deadline.

EDIT: also looked like someone moved that post into this forum. I was trying to advertise in the "artistic discussion" section because people may not bother look in this sub forum. haha obviously this post doesn't really make sense right here.

[orchidsofwrath]

how would the registration process work? A thread? A PM to koolpenguin? just curious as to how that would go down.

[tcindie]

how would the registration process work? A thread? A PM to koolpenguin? just curious as to how that would go down.

Clearly the easiest would be for everyone to post here (http://hv20.com/showthread.php?t=9918). :)

[popnfresh]

well the registration would be kinda simple. just msg the contest coordinator (so in this case - koolpenguin89). he'll have a Sticky Thread, and he can just edit the first post and keep on adding the registered entrants (to keep the thread small and tidy).

There also needs to be some sort of rules in terms of the voting. Cause I could just as easily sign up for 100 accounts and vote for the film that I submit, so it'll just be a race to how many accounts people will open. I wouldn't know how to fix that issue, but just throwing it out there.. lol.

[tcindie]

Contests I have been involved in in the past have had a judging panel of 3-4 people. They would watch all the entries and judge each on a series of categories (story, camera work, sound, etc) on say a 1-10 rating.

These score cards were tallied (behind the scenes) and the winners were based on point values. There was also a popular vote, which could be figured with a simple poll, people vote for the short they like the best, and that would determine who wins the popular vote.

Of course, to keep things fair, none of the judges can be participants in the contest.

[koolpenguin89]

Ya, if you read through this whole thread, i debated for a while on how best to organize it. I realize that people could sign up for multiple accounts to help themselves win, but seeing as this was the first contest ever, i didnt exactly have alot of volunteers for a judging panel, and i couldnt figure out a good way to securely organize the popular vote. I am relying on the trustworthiness of the entrants for now. Maybe next time ill have a better system worked out.

Thanks for trying to spread the word, orchidsofwrath, but maybe spamming the other subforums wasnt the best plan, lol :)

And remember everyone, if you want an extension, PRIVATE MESSAGE ME! because those are what i am counting, not the posts in this thread.

Thanks,
Dylan

[FLIMACKGOD]

so whats going on with this?? i just heard about it is it done?

[koolpenguin89]

Ok, well i have only received 2 PMs about extending the contest, so i guess not that many people need another extension. The submission deadline will remain at April 30th unless i receive some more PMs about it.

Dylan

[tiny]

I am going to try to make one before then by doing all my filming this Saturday. However if it is raining, then I am out of luck. If you pushed it back to mid May, I am certain I could make it.

[koolpenguin89]

Attention everybody, their will be a 1 week extension to this contest, making the official submission deadline: May 7th. Their will be NO more extensions, so make sure you have submitted your film be that date. Other dates will change accordingly, and can be seen in the Contest Rules (http://hv20.com/showthread.php?t=8078). Thanks everybody for participating, you all have 2 weeks left, so lets start getting those entries in!

Dylan

[tiny]

Cool. Thanks

[orchidsofwrath]

I was wondering about our judging problem, and the register multiple accounts and vote multiple times thing, and was wondering if it would be possible to only let people with 5 or more previous posts on hv20.com to vote? I know nothing about programing or site building, but it seems to me that making a minimum post count for voters almost solve the problem (or at least make it harder to cheat). Just a thought idk if its tangible in terms of programing a special voting thread with those parameters.

[tiny]

If someone really registers many times to vote for their own film; that is just pathetic.

[koolpenguin89]

True, but its my responsibility to make this competition as legit as possible. Ive PMed Mal about that idea, and hes gonna see if its a possibility.

Dylan

[VideJo]

Dylan,

Have you not seen events of people begging other forumers to go to a certain site and vote for their favorite? Not on this forum, true.
I have seen that many times. And never followed the request.

[koolpenguin89]

Yes, and that is exactly why i am trying to use orchidsofwrath's idea. Maybe you understood my post wrong, but im in favor of a required minimum post count. I know this isnt the most foolproof plan, and if their is a second contest, i will probably try to get a voting board together. But for now, this is the best weve got.

Dylan

[VideJo]

Let me quote from my own experience . . .
In "my" contests I personaly check all people who post a comment on an entry on validity. Sure you won't collect 3000 ratings from 3000 members . . .
If one rating shows to be unvalid, I disregard that rating from final summation.

[koolpenguin89]

Okay guys (and gals?). Their is ONE WEEK remaining until the deadline, so lets start getting those entries in! Dont forget to make your vimeo videos password protected, and dont give the password to anybody but me! if your vimeo page has multiple views or any comments, you will be disqualified. Thanks to all for participating, im looking forward to seeing the results.

Dylan

[Ryanmv11]

Okay guys (and gals?). Their is ONE WEEK remaining until the deadline, so lets start getting those entries in! Dont forget to make your vimeo videos password protected, and dont give the password to anybody but me! if your vimeo page has multiple views or any comments, you will be disqualified. Thanks to all for participating, im looking forward to seeing the results.

Dylan

aww...man i thought the contest was already over.
I just finished my short film- "the 48th Hour"
found here-

http://hv20.com/showthread.php?p=83999#post83999

i would have entered it but unfortunately i just posted a while ago and now have views....:( sorry man.

[koolpenguin89]

Ah man, that really is too bad. If their is another HD Shorts in the future, you had better enter :) Im loading your video now, ill leave feedback after i watch it, but i think i already know how its gonna be :). Keep up the good work.

Dylan

[electro]

Dang, sure wish we had until next Friday.
We aren't able to even start shooting until monday.

[koolpenguin89]

Sorry, electro, but i cant give any more extensions. However, i hope that if their is another contest, you will participate. I gave 2 extensions this time because i wanted to get as many entries as possible the first time around, so hopefully next time we will have even more entries.

Dylan

[electro]

no, I'm a die-hard, I'm doing all I can to stay in this contest.
3 days of shooting and editing is better than none!

[tcindie]

3 days of shooting and editing is better than none!

It's also a full day longer than you get with the 48hr film project, so it's plenty of time to put something together. :)

Good luck!

[Chicken Warrior]

I thought this had ended too. Must make something quickly!

[destruct007]

the deadline on this changed too much, I know you wanted to incorporate more people but I think it ended up loosing people who would have because they didn't check back to see the new deadlines. It's a tough thing to orchestrate, esp the first one. Hopefully there will be another.

when are the entries going to be posted? I thought they should be posted already?

[koolpenguin89]

The deadline changed twice, once for a 3 week extension, and then again for a 1 week extension, making the final deadline tommorow night (may 7th). If i hadnt given the first extension, i would have ended up with zero entries, and the second extension was because i had a few people request it, and no one seemed to be against it. I agree that some people may have been confused with these deadlines, but i tried my best to let everyone know. The videos are scheduled to be posted on may 9th, however as of right now, i have only received 2 entries.

Dylan

[orchidsofwrath]

tomorrow at midnight i presume is when all the entrees will be coming. haha I know thats when i'll be entering mine.

[koolpenguin89]

ya, thats what i was hoping. After i posted my last post, i got another entry, so if you do submit tommorow orchidsofwrath, then yes, we will have ourselves a competition! lol, im actually pretty confident that i will receive a slew of entrys tommorow night :)

Dylan

[tcindie]

Well, I guess it's likely that we will have more than 5 entries.. so I suppose I'd better plan on providing the prizes for the first three places I stated in the other thread. Thought I was going to end up saving $50 or so.. hehe

[whtnova]

Darn! There goes my second place by default. :hv20-smilie119:

I crack myself up...

[tiny]

Well, I guess it's likely that we will have more than 5 entries.. so I suppose I'd better plan on providing the prizes for the first three places I stated in the other thread. Thought I was going to end up saving $50 or so.. hehe

Woot! I hope I win one of those books. I really could benefit from the help. (My film will likely be the worst, due to how rushed it was and not knowing how to work the camera fully yet. :hv20-smilie84: )

[koolpenguin89]

1 Hour left to post, and i still only have 3 entries. We need to have 4 entries, otherwise i think some of the prize sponsors may drop out. Come on guys, post 'em up!

Dylan

[Erik Bien]

ONE hour? Uhh ... have a heart for those of us not in Eastern Time, por favor!

(My boys are editing their widdle hearts out across town at this very moment, naturally assuming a deadline of midnight our time!) :hv20-smilie119:

[tiny]

ONE hour? Uhh ... have a heart for those of us not in Eastern Time, por favor!

(My boys are editing their widdle hearts out across town at this very moment, naturally assuming a deadline of midnight our time!) :hv20-smilie119:

I for one support this!

[koolpenguin89]

Hmm....ok, i guess another 4 hours couldnt hurt. Next time ill be sure to specify the time zone, but since i didnt, i suppose its not your guys' fault. 12:00PM Western time it is!

Dylan

[Erik Bien]

Kewl beenz, daddy-o!

I just got a call from Justin; it's "converting" at Vimeo for the next 100-odd minutes, or so they say ... once it's safely uploaded, he or I will complete the entry form and be "formally entered." (fingers crossed)

[koolpenguin89]

Wow, i just got done watching these films, and you guys did great jobs, round of applause for everyone! We got a total of 6 entries, so tommorow morning i will post a thread for voting, and i will instruct all of the entrants to make their videos open to the public. Again, great job everyone!

Dylan

[icjefferys]

I really can't wait to see these!

I'm sad that I couldn't submit an entry due to a) lack of hv20/30 and b) college ruling my life until 2AM this morning. SUMMER TIME = MOVIE TIME!!!

[koolpenguin89]

Ya, i was planning on posting the videos early this morning, but im still waiting on these guys to make their videos public! hopefully by tonight voting can begin.

Dylan