Filters/Hoods/Caps????

[crewe1000]

I'm quite new to buying camcorder accessories and looking at various forums it seems that a filter is a necessity but I'm a bit confused by which one to get.

The manual refers to the Canon FS-43U/FS-43U II Filter Set but I've not seen much reference to these in the forums. I'm due to get the WD-H43 shortly which I understand the benefits of but would be grateful for some help in deciding what filter to go for and why it may benefit me in conjunction with the WD-H43. I've seen a couple of linked items in another thread to a couple which look impressive but leave me slightly confused.:hv20-smilie51:

Also if I get a filter, I know I'll need a lens cap. I presume this will be 43mm, any make/model?

I've also read about a Matteblox in one of the threads which also looks cool but again, will a novice like me appreciate the benefits.

My main use for the HV20 is family filming in and out of the home, so nothing too complicated, so are filters really recommended?

Any help advice that anyone can give would be appreciated. I've already got the VL3 & the DM50 is on its way so I'm on a roll with this camcorder and really want to do things properly and also learn!:hv20-smilie58:

[bluegrass]

I'm quite new to buying camcorder accessories and looking at various forums it seems that a filter is a necessity but I'm a bit confused by which one to get.

The manual refers to the Canon FS-43U/FS-43U II Filter Set but I've not seen much reference to these in the forums. I'm due to get the WD-H43 shortly which I understand the benefits of but would be grateful for some help in deciding what filter to go for and why it may benefit me in conjunction with the WD-H43. I've seen a couple of linked items in another thread to a couple which look impressive but leave me slightly confused.:hv20-smilie51:

Also if I get a filter, I know I'll need a lens cap. I presume this will be 43mm, any make/model?

I've also read about a Matte-Box in one of the threads which also looks cool but again, will a novice like me appreciate the benefits.

My main use for the HV20 is family filming in and out of the home, so nothing too complicated, so are filters really recommended?

Any help advice that anyone can give would be appreciated. I've already got the VL3 & the DM50 is on its way so I'm on a roll with this camcorder and really want to do things properly and also learn!:hv20-smilie58:

I'm not shooting professionally either but I am shooting stuff for public consumption over the Internet such as indoor and outdoor music events with all variations of light levels. Right now I can only think of one reason to use a filter and that one would be a type to help with reflections such as glass or water. For personal family use, I can't see that I would put a filter on for color correction or anything else, but I'm farily new to this. Others may say something different and help me improve the videos I shoot. You never know.

[hizbiz]

I think three filters would be important (worth having) for everyone

1) Multicoated UV (I got HOYA HMC) -- I would never remove this filter from the cam unless I am putting some other filter.
This filter might not only remove UV Haze as advertised but also would be a great protection for the camera lens. ( I use one such filter in all my SLR lenses too!)

2) A Circular polarizer filter ( I ordered one HOYA). Also a multicoated one preferred.
This filter is required for removing reflections from non-metallic surfaces like glass/water etc.

3) A ND8 filter. (I got again an HOYA multicoated) -- In bright sunlight it would help to reduce the light entering into the camera thus might help to maintain bigger aperture (shallow DOF) and might also help blowing out of highlights if used properly,

I am not sure if you should get this one. But first two I find as absolutely essential.

Again I would only get multicoated filters to help with lens flare.

[Worley]

Hizbiz, I agree 100% with those filters. I have those for my MVX40.

To be honest, I wasn't convinced that any of them did anything, so yesterday I did some tests.

The UV filter, really does remove haze, especially from scenes with water, making the colours more vivid. Our eyes don't notice it, but the camera does.

The polarizers are fantastic for removing reflections. You can shoot through windows, (outside to in, not inside to out) without any reflections. So great if you want to film actors in a car, or in a shop. Also, it removed reflections from wooden floors, tv screens, etc, so there is virtually no glare hitting the camera.

The ND filters are great for narrowing the depth of field. You won't notice it happening, but if you are in Auto or Tv mode, with the ND filter on, the camera will open up the iris, allowing more light to hit the CMOS, thereby narrowing the DoF. It's best to use an ND filter where there is enough light to compensate for its effect.

I don't think it's worth getting any other filters, and effects such as graduated tints are easy to add during the edit.

[crewe1000]

Thanks for all your thoughts on this.

I presume the filters could not work in conjunction with the WD-H43, if they would, how would they all fit together? Also, would it be 43mm filters I would require as well and do they attach direct to the camcorder or would I need to buy some sort of fitting to enable it to attach?

Apologies for the basic questions but I dont want to make any mistakes.

Cheers.

[Worley]

I can chain my filters together. They all screw together. If you getones that do the same, then the WD-H43 would screw into the filter that is screwed directly to the camera.

[crewe1000]

I can chain my filters together. They all screw together. If you getones that do the same, then the WD-H43 would screw into the filter that is screwed directly to the camera.

Cheers Worley.

[crewe1000]

I have found these filters on Amazon UK. Does anyone know how good HAMA filters are? Thanks.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=electronics-uk&field-keywords=43mm%20filter&results-process=default&dispatch=search/ref=pd_sl_aw_tops-2_electronics-uk_12539543_1&results-process=default

[ardo]

Does anyone have any experience with graduated ND filters (GNDs)? I know these are widely used in photography, but haven't heard much about GNDs in video.

[hizbiz]

I dont know about HAMA filters. You should try google for any review.

But as I said I would never use any filter other than multicoated. And I normally dont trust brands other than HOYA or TIffen. (B+W I do trust too! But yet to own one because of the cost! :( )

The point is Filters are glasses too! And you dont want to put a bad quality glass in front of your HD cam as that could ruin your picture. (The reason people are buying WD-H43 instead of WD-43)

And I would again confirm that you can screw-in at least one filter between the camera and WD-H43 without any issues. (This is necessary as WD-H43 does not have any front thread)

[hizbiz]

Does anyone have any experience with graduated ND filters (GNDs)? I know these are widely used in photography, but haven't heard much about GNDs in video.

In digital age I dont think they are absolutely essential for still photography. What I normally do is to take two exposures one for sky and the other for the land and merge them during postprocessing to get the same effect (may be even better!)

But they might be required under certain circumstances with videography as taking two shots is not possible.

However to go with such filters I think cokin type ones would be the best compared to circular ones.

[crewe1000]

I dont know about HAMA filters. You should try google for any review.

But as I said I would never use any filter other than multicoated. And I normally dont trust brands other than HOYA or TIffen. (B+W I do trust too! But yet to own one because of the cost! :( )

The point is Filters are glasses too! And you dont want to put a bad quality glass in front of your HD cam as that could ruin your picture. (The reason people are buying WD-H43 instead of WD-43)

And I would again confirm that you can screw-in at least one filter between the camera and WD-H43 without any issues. (This is necessary as WD-H43 does not have any front thread)


Thanks again hizbiz. I thought the WD-H43 connected direct to the HV20 so it looks like I'll need to get the filters anyway.

[crewe1000]

Can anyone please tell me if its ok to mix filters from different companies, like Hoya & Tiffen? Thanks.

[hizbiz]

Can anyone please tell me if its ok to mix filters from different companies, like Hoya & Tiffen? Thanks.

Should be OK I presume. But I did not get the point of mixing.
At any particular time you would have only one filter to avoid vignetting.
like
1) Normal shooting: UV HMC
2) Bright Day: ND8
3) avoiding reflections: polarizer

So it should not matter if you have three from three different companies. As long as all of them are high quality. And you should be able to mix footage in NLE later too.

[crewe1000]

I've taken the plunge and ordered B&W lenses as these seem to be one of the best ones about. I've gone for circular polarizer which they have to special order unfortunately, a UV, ND & one for close ups.

I've ordered from B&H which seem to be well regarded so hopefully they trave well to the UK:hv20-smilie03:

Taking this camcorder 'hobby' is now proving to be expensive! Last things I'm looking at are the mattlebox and I suppose a different tripod.

I must admit, the tripod I have is really cheap and probably only cost me about £40 (approx $80) and I dont really understand the benefits of a good tripod yet, so I suppose I better start reading up on that but it may have to wait for a while so my credit card can get a rest.:(

[hizbiz]

I've taken the plunge and ordered B&W lenses as these seem to be one of the best ones about. I've gone for circular polarizer which they have to special order unfortunately, a UV, ND & one for close ups.

I've ordered from B&H which seem to be well regarded so hopefully they trave well to the UK:hv20-smilie03:

Taking this camcorder 'hobby' is now proving to be expensive! Last things I'm looking at are the mattlebox and I suppose a different tripod.

I must admit, the tripod I have is really cheap and probably only cost me about £40 (approx $80) and I dont really understand the benefits of a good tripod yet, so I suppose I better start reading up on that but it may have to wait for a while so my credit card can get a rest.:(

B+W are the best perhaps! Yah this hobby is expensive man! I am also giving my credit card rest before I take the plunge for the tripod! :hv20-smilie87:

I am pretty much decided for a Feisol CF tripod and Manfrotto 701RC2 video head. 503 seems to be a overkill for such a small cam.

[crewe1000]

I havent even begun to look at tripods. The prices that I have seen quoted by people on the forums regarding the tripods they have or want is quite scary.

I must admit, my original thoughts regarding a tripod is that it doesnt really matter what sort you get as the camcorder just sits on it! When I have used my tripod in the past it is just because I didnt fancy holding the camcorder at family occasions and would just leave it to record in a stationery position. I think moving forward I'm going to review my methods and perhaps try and improve on my filming!

[revlution08]

what about close up lenses. are those worth getting. i love to get detailed shots so would this be good for me?

[crewe1000]

what about close up lenses. are those worth getting. i love to get detailed shots so would this be good for me?


I've never used them before but have ordered some close up ones as from what I've read they will certainly benefit that sort of filming.

[crewe1000]

I've now received three of my B&W filters and they look fantastic. I think I have made a silly mistake though. I also ordered a 43mm lens cap but t doesnt fit as its too small. Can anyone advise what size I need please? I'm presuming it must just be slightly bigger but I dont want to make another mistake.

Cheers.

[Mal]

No, a 43mm cap should fit. The 43mm B+W's accept a 43mm lens cap.

By the way, I am about to restart the FREE lens-cap-givaway, as mentioned here (http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?t=98).
(will open in a week or so, but sorry, no early bird givaways!)

[crewe1000]

Thanks Mal.

Thats strange, because my filters are 43mm and the lens cap is a 43mm Schneider Slip on lens cap. Just tried it again.

Thanks for the heads up re the free lens give away, I'll have to look out for that:hv20-smilie77:

[SuperSean23]

so sandwiching a filter between the HV20 lens and the WD-H43 lens wont cause any negative effects?

[hizbiz]

Thanks Mal.

Thats strange, because my filters are 43mm and the lens cap is a 43mm Schneider Slip on lens cap. Just tried it again.

Thanks for the heads up re the free lens give away, I'll have to look out for that:hv20-smilie77:

Hmm this sounds too strange! :hv20-smilie15: I am using a 43mm lens cap that I got for 4$ without any problem! :hv20-smilie03:

[crewe1000]

I've not yet got the WD-H43 although I'm hoping to in the next week or so courtesy of our very own David Susilo!

I'm attaching the filters direct to the HV20. I'm sure I've read in some other threads some info about this and from memory think it was not recomended but may be worth searching those threads out to confirm.

[crewe1000]

Hmm this sounds too strange! :hv20-smilie15: I am using a 43mm lens cap that I got for 4$ without any problem! :hv20-smilie03:


Yes I know. I was wondering if I ordered the wrong size. I know the filters are fine because they fit but the cap just wont slip over it. I dont want to try and force and possibly 'hurt' my lovely filters:hv20-smilie87:

It wasnt expensive so I'll write it off and hopefully get one of Mal's free ones.

[sp8ce07]

what are the differences between these HOYA HMC filters?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?shs=HOYA+HMC+43&ci=0&sb=ps&pn=1&sq=desc&InitialSearch=yes&O=productlist.jsp&A=search&Q=*&bhs=t

All seem similar, except for a .06 and .09 something. Is that the level of coating?

Does it make that much difference?

[Erik Bien]

Hi sp8ce; they're neutral density filters: basically increasing densities of neutral grey that won't change the color of your scene, just allow less light in the lens (allowing you to open up to a lower f-stop and increase depth of field, or shoot on very bright days without the sky blowing out to white)

[sp8ce07]

Thanks for the reply. What I'm trying to figure out is why they offer three types of what are the same filters. Each have a different Multicoat applicator on them - at least that's what I'm interpreting.

I think you might be answering it - so the higher the number...the less light is being allowed in? And am I correct in assuming that these are what would be considered filters that you would keep on all the time to protect the lense from UV, dust, etc. unless using a different filter for a different effect? Thanks

[monkey]

you can't get 43mm Super HMC filters, so what size are you all using with a stepup ring? Or are you just using Hoya HMC filters? as for screwing a WD-H43 onto a HV20 with a filter inbetween, seems impossible to me since the filter diameter will have to be at least 49mm, never 43mm.
Do the Canon 43mm UV filters have threads on both sides for screwing on a wide angle lens on top of it?

Are the Canon's even multi-coated? How do we know the Canon's are even good filters (especially for that price!)?

[ardo]

Thanks for the reply. What I'm trying to figure out is why they offer three types of what are the same filters. Each have a different Multicoat applicator on them - at least that's what I'm interpreting.

I think you might be answering it - so the higher the number...the less light is being allowed in? And am I correct in assuming that these are what would be considered filters that you would keep on all the time to protect the lense from UV, dust, etc. unless using a different filter for a different effect? Thanks
I think you answered your own question: since ND filters allow less light in, these filters are used to lower the amount of incident light. You don't keep them on at all times, jsut when filming beach scenes, open spaces on a sunny day, etc. Search for UV filters instead.

A friend of mine supplied me with a great (IMO) link:
http://hvstar.net/

their filters are about 40-50% cheaper than same ones at B&H. I've ordered these:

Hoya 52mm UV(0) PRO1 Super HMC Multi-Coated Haze Filter
Manufacturer Part#: Mfr # 018410
(Qty: 1 x $16.99)

Hoya 52mm PRO1 Super HMC Circular Polarizing Filter NEW
Manufacturer Part#: Mfr # 019455
(Qty: 1 x $45.50)

I'll be using a 43-52mm step up ring. I also got a 52mm Canon lens cap for $3.90.

I see no reason to look for 43mm anything, this is not a popular size. A search for 52mm or 55mm yields a lot more than 43mm.

[sp8ce07]

I appreciate the response, thank you for your help!

[monkey]

Does anyone know the quality of the Canon 43mm UV filter?
Is it multi-coated?
Is the filter everyone is talking about the Canon 43mm UV Haze 1?
Is this what is included in the FS43-UII set?
Does it even have front threads for screwing on the wide angle lens, and is there any problem with screwing the wide angle lens on over it?
Can the UV filter be installed between the HV20 lens and the HV stock hood?

How does it compare to Hoya filters?

[Nahojs]

I think three filters would be important (worth having) for everyone

1) Multicoated UV (I got HOYA HMC) -- I would never remove this filter from the cam unless I am putting some other filter.
This filter might not only remove UV Haze as advertised but also would be a great protection for the camera lens. ( I use one such filter in all my SLR lenses too!)

2) A Circular polarizer filter ( I ordered one HOYA). Also a multicoated one preferred.
This filter is required for removing reflections from non-metallic surfaces like glass/water etc.

3) A ND8 filter. (I got again an HOYA multicoated) -- In bright sunlight it would help to reduce the light entering into the camera thus might help to maintain bigger aperture (shallow DOF) and might also help blowing out of highlights if used properly,

I am not sure if you should get this one. But first two I find as absolutely essential.

Again I would only get multicoated filters to help with lens flare.
Hi, as newbie and waiting for my HV-20 that is ordered via www.fotoquelle.nl I was checking up for some usefull filters.

In this thread we talk about 3 "need to have" filters
- Multicoated UV
- A Circular polarizer filter
- A ND8 filter

All of them chained together so you are able to add as last one the WD-H43 lens.

So far I only could find 49, 52 mm and bigger.
If I buy bigger ones this means I would need:

- step up ring from 43-49 mm, then the 3 filters chained, then a step-down ring 49-43 mm and finally my WD-H43 - > I think this might be a little too much so I would appriciate if somebody can point me to a site where I can buy the above 3 mentioned HOYA multicoated filters (43 mm size).

Thanks :hv20-smilie03:

[Mal]

Does anyone know the quality of the Canon 43mm UV filter?

Wow, that's a lot of questions; even the title has three questions.

Get a Tiffen 43mm UV filter + a Linear Polarizing filter.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/58810-REG/Tiffen_43POL_43mm_Linear_Polarizing_Glass.html

and

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/72710-REG/Tiffen_43UVP_43mm_UV_Protector_Glass.html

[Mal]

In this thread we talk about 3 "need to have" filters
- Multicoated UV
- A Circular polarizer filter
- A ND8 filter

All of them chained together so you are able to add as last one the WD-H43 lens.


It's not completely proven that you can add even one filter between the HV20 and the WD-H43 without some image quality loss. So far it's only been stated that "it works".
Adding three filters will most definitely NOT work however; at least I doubt it very much.

All you "need" is a UV filter and a Polarizer filter; the ND might come in handy too, but I think you might be seeing these filters as too important or too necessary.

[sp8ce07]

Based off of your suggestion Mal I researched more about Tiffen filters and the general vibe I got was that they are garbage around the industry. Even some test between Hoya and Tiffen showed considerable differences. I'm ready to pull the trigger on the B+W http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/120402-REG/B_W_66023185_43mm_UV_Haze_010.html - from what I can tell, that is a considerable upgrade from the Tiffen UV.

[Mal]

I'll always recommend B+W over anything else; but their price is about 3 times higher.

Though I've NEVER heard that Tiffen was lower quality than Hoya; that surprises me.

[sp8ce07]

Well, in this situation, ideally -- you are getting what you pay for.

[Mal]

Well, maybe. In the UV filter specifically, I am not sure why you'd say "from what I can tell, that is a considerable upgrade from the Tiffen UV", unless you've done a side-by-side.

I've found the Kaesemann glassed B+W Polarizer to be excellent (same as Heliopan's one, as that also comes in Kaesemann glass), but I've yet to see a side by side test using a Tiffen UV filter vs. a B+W one.

"you are getting what you pay for", aye, but sometimes you can also spend money where it's not necessary. Again, not saying the B+W UV isn't better, but I've not seen the difference myself.

Also, where did you see the Hoya vs. Tiffen difference? Would be neat to see/read that...

[sp8ce07]

Here you you go.

http://www.kenandchristine.com/gallery/1054387/1

What do you think of that little experiment Mal? Does it really do anything to change your perceptions?

My own personal sentiment is that you should spend the higher prices for the higher quality product on something that very well may be on the camera more often than not. Who wants a generic or poorly made lense to ruin what quality the original lense already produces?

[Mal]

Here you you go.

http://www.kenandchristine.com/gallery/1054387/1

What do you think of that little experiment Mal? Does it really do anything to change your perceptions?


Ah, thanks for the link. Unfortunately it's hard to see if that is a useful test, as I am not sure if they are really comparing "comparable" filters. For instance, not sure why they used a 2a not a standard UV filter from Tiffen.
Interesting though.
My perceptions are unchanged as of now. I use mainly B+W and am happy with them, and my personal experience is that Hoya is about on par in quality with Tiffen. They are okay, but certainly not the best.


My own personal sentiment is that you should spend the higher prices for the higher quality product on something that very well may be on the camera more often than not. Who wants a generic or poorly made lense to ruin what quality the original lense already produces?

Aye, understood. I provided you with the links to Tiffen & Hoya filters because you said you preferred those two brands; I threw in the B+W link as that's what I use. :hv20-smilie77:

[monkey]

I think three filters would be important (worth having) for everyone

1) Multicoated UV (I got HOYA HMC) -- I would never remove this filter from the cam unless I am putting some other filter.
This filter might not only remove UV Haze as advertised but also would be a great protection for the camera lens. ( I use one such filter in all my SLR lenses too!)

2) A Circular polarizer filter ( I ordered one HOYA). Also a multicoated one preferred.
This filter is required for removing reflections from non-metallic surfaces like glass/water etc.

3) A ND8 filter. (I got again an HOYA multicoated) -- In bright sunlight it would help to reduce the light entering into the camera thus might help to maintain bigger aperture (shallow DOF) and might also help blowing out of highlights if used properly,

I am not sure if you should get this one. But first two I find as absolutely essential.

Again I would only get multicoated filters to help with lens flare.

Hoya does not make 43mm HMC multi-coated UV filters. The only 43mm HMC filter is plain clear glass, not UV.

[sp8ce07]

Yes - my mistake for not mentioning B+W. You have converted me over - rather, forced me to do more research - and my original Hoya/Tiffen debate suddenly has partner in the ring...B+W

[hizbiz]

Hoya does not make 43mm HMC multi-coated UV filters. The only 43mm HMC filter is plain clear glass, not UV.

Any clear glass filter will not block UV unless its quartz! So I would think that a clear glass filter would also block UV.

[hizbiz]

Here you you go.

http://www.kenandchristine.com/gallery/1054387/1

What do you think of that little experiment Mal? Does it really do anything to change your perceptions?

My own personal sentiment is that you should spend the higher prices for the higher quality product on something that very well may be on the camera more often than not. Who wants a generic or poorly made lense to ruin what quality the original lense already produces?

sp8ce07,
The only thing that the tests in the website proves is that a multicoated filter is better than an un-coated one. (The Tiffen filter they took is not multicoated).
And this is a known fact.
Now the question that remains is how much better are the B+W filters in comparison to Tiffen/Hoya multicoated ones.. I think we need to see a scientific test.
Also remember that the lens used in those tests was a L-glass.. I would not think the lens in hv20 is of that quality anyway.
But in any case, if you can spare there would be no harm in buying B+W! :hv20-smilie70:
cheers

[joseph soriano]

Hoya does not make 43mm HMC multi-coated UV filters. The only 43mm HMC filter is plain clear glass, not UV.

here you go:

http://www.2filter.com/hoya/hoyauvsky01.html

scroll down...

[hizbiz]

here you go:

http://www.2filter.com/hoya/hoyauvsky01.html

scroll down...

I got exactly that filter and from the same vendor! :hv20-smilie84:

[Erik Bien]

Based off of your suggestion Mal I researched more about Tiffen filters and the general vibe I got was that they are garbage around the industry.

I don't have a dog in this fight (as in, I don't work for/sell/endorse any products) but I can't imagine what "industry" considers Tiffen products "garbage."

Not the movie & tv industry, where Tiffen FX filters (Black ProMist, Diffusion FX, Smoque, etc. etc.) are used daily on productions large and small.

Many cinematographers (not to mention the less-than-youthful actresses they often photograph) would be amused to hear their "secret weapons" dismissed as "garbage." :hv20-smilie31:

[joseph soriano]

I got exactly that filter and from the same vendor! :hv20-smilie84:

hizbiz,

how do you like it? i'm still waiting on mine. thanks....

[sp8ce07]

I'm sorry if my statement appeared to blanket the industry, whichever one I was referring to. I had just read about 7-8 peoples opinions, each boasting rather impressive photography experience - and each had ranked Tiffen the lowest, and a few had used the term "garbage".

[sp8ce07]

Joseph and Hiz, you are both referring to the Hoya filter that when selected and placed in your cart, immediately lowers the price to 15.08? And more specifically the Hoya HMC 43mm Clear Protective Filter

[hizbiz]

hizbiz,

how do you like it? i'm still waiting on mine. thanks....

Joseph,
I like it! It serves my purpose of protecting the front element from dust etc. and also it did not cause any visible loss of quality. I can also keep it there when I attach my WD-H43 without any problem.
About flaring...well though its muticoated I expect it to increase flares if I don't use any hood and that should be true for any brand of filters.
Cheers!!

[hizbiz]

Joseph and Hiz, you are both referring to the Hoya filter that when selected and placed in your cart, immediately lowers the price to 15.08? And more specifically the Hoya HMC 43mm Clear Protective Filter

Yup! I ordered that one, the HOYA ND8 and a cap from them.
I also ordered a digital circular polarizer (again HOYA) but yet to get that.

[joseph soriano]

thanks hizbiz...actually i ordered the one above that...the multi coated hmc for $17.93.

[hizbiz]

thanks hizbiz...actally i ordered the one above that...the multi coated hmc for $17.93.

Where did you get that? the multi-coated hmc is also the one I got. It was 17.87$ (shown) but as soon as you add that to the cart it becomes $15.08. Is your different?
The filter that I got came in a clear plastic case, written HOYA HMC Filter ... Extra Quality..Multi-coated. On the filter its written HOYA HMC 43mm Video Clear Japan.
Let me know if yours is different after you get that.
cheers!

[neolinski]

i'm with ardo.
i got 43mm to 52mm step up ring which would let me use more widely available filters and adapters. and i already have sakar .42x adapter and Tiffen sky filter for 52mm. i am really wondering how does Sakar .42x (low end semi fish eye lens for 35mm that i used to play around) would look.

as there are so many stuffs for 52mm, it is clear (for me) to go that route. however is there quality problem (no generic anything, probably tifffen/hoya)?

btw, i just purchased Tiffen 52mm Photo Essentials Filter Kit which include UV filter, CPL, and 812 filter.
http://www.amazon.com/Tiffen-52mm-Photo-Essentials-Filter/dp/B00004ZCKX/ref=pd_ecc_rvi_4/104-0804445-8596737
I was satisfied with Tiffen Sky filter therefore more tiffens. yet i am not sure how non-multicoated filters would look with HD. probably not the best idea but i am poor ;)

[BarnOwl]

I just recieved my Fotodiox hood for the HV20. It comes with an extra ring threaded on both sides so you can use it with or without filter.
I set it up so I can easily screw it on my B&W UV filter without resetting the set screw.
I hardly notice any interference with IAF, if any.......

http://www.helifreak.com/album_mod/upload/1b1ee9349a20a71f59b41fbdaccd45a9.jpg

[sp8ce07]

Great picture! Thanks for that.

[Olphus]

Do I need a hood for the LCD in bright light?? http://www.bluenook.com/product_detail.asp?pid=156h

EDIT: Also, BarnOwl, where did you get that Fotodiox hood?

[24Peter]

Do I need a hood for the LCD in bright light?? http://www.bluenook.com/product_detail.asp?pid=156h

If you press and hold the "disp" button on the side of the camera above the LCD for like 2 seconds, it increases the brightness of the LCD. It's been enough for me to see the LCD outside in almost all lighting conditions. In fact, I just leave it in bright mode all the time now. I'm sure it affects battery life a bit, but I haven't really noticed a difference yet.

[BarnOwl]

EDIT: Also, BarnOwl, where did you get that Fotodiox hood?

Got it from Ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320120839789)

[Olphus]

So what's between the HV20 and the hood??
Also, looking inside the hood, it looks like you could thread one or more filters, is it so?

[revlution08]

i got my hoya filter today. this one.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/122011-REG/Hoya_012111_43mm_Circular_Polarizer_Glass.html

i see the improvement in reflections but it seems to be a darker more grainier picture. is that normal. and is it recommended to be on at all times or only when you need it?

[terjeber]

i got my hoya filter today. this one.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/122011-REG/Hoya_012111_43mm_Circular_Polarizer_Glass.html

i see the improvement in reflections but it seems to be a darker more grainier picture. is that normal. and is it recommended to be on at all times or only when you need it?

Yes, that is a Polarizing filter, and you should only use it when you need it since it takes a significant amount of light away, about 50%. You should only use a UV filter in day-to-day work. But you should <b>always</b> use a UV filter. Mainly to protect your lens.

[Ten Ounce]

Has anyone tried the Merkury filters that are on eBay?

http://cgi.ebay.com/43mm-POLARIZER-Polarized-PL-UV-FD-CAMERA-FILTER-Kit-Set_W0QQitemZ190121790316QQihZ009QQcategoryZ15217Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[themixguy]

I've always bought a UV filter for my cameras, just for protecting the element from fingers, sea spray, etc. But I just got the wide-angle lens attachment, the WD-H43, and I notice is has NO place to screw-on a filter. Are we not worried about this piece of glass? For what it costs, I think it should be protected. Anyone have a solution or opinion?

[Mal]

NOT to have a filter thread on a WA lens is common; it has mainly to do with the fact that adding a filter can have focusing issues, as the the WA has such a deep DOF, it's common that the cam will focus on the dust of the WA lens.

[NurburgRinger]

I can recommend this Ebay seller for Hoya 43mm UV filters, arrived days after paypaling:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=020&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=300117357032&rd=1&rd=1

More of these in his Ebay store for under $10.

Just ordered a couple 43m lens-caps to protect this while it's in my bag.

I'll be dressing my HV20 up a bit with these goodies (will post pic when the pistol grip arrives)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=012&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=220116713224&rd=1&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=007&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=170120709912&rd=1&rd=1

cheers
Kurt

[Nahojs]

Hi, I found on ebay a set of lenses and filters for about $55

is this trustfulll ? anybody expierience with this?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=002&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=120127341789&rd=1&rd=1

[24Peter]

I can recommend this Ebay seller for Hoya 43mm UV filters, arrived days after paypaling:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=020&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=300117357032&rd=1&rd=1

More of these in his Ebay store for under $10.



Be careful Kurt - I tried one of those cheap Hoya UV filters. The reflections/ flaring were pretty bad. Better filters are coated. These aren't.

Probably OK if you're just fooling around though. (Or if you shoot porn and want to keep the lens clean :eek:)

[Dodgy Nick]

(Or if you shoot porn and want to keep the lens clean :eek:)

Uh? :hv20-smilie51: I don't get it...












































:eek:


















ooooooooooooooooooooh!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :hv20-smilie42:

[24Peter]

How do I get my name in yellow???? :hv20-smilie64:

[NurburgRinger]

Be careful Kurt - I tried one of those cheap Hoya UV filters. The reflections/ flaring were pretty bad. Better filters are coated. These aren't.

Probably OK if you're just fooling around though. (Or if you shoot porn and want to keep the lens clean :eek:)

heyheyhey don't *cough* blow my cover all that kind of work is supposed to be done with aliases :hv20-smilie15:

interesting, with all the talk in this thread about Hoya's I didn't see anything about their possible downsides.
Had to do some reasearch on flaring, turns out I knew what it was just didn't know the name for it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lens_flare

Looks like the lens hood/shade can only help this, but will probably pick up a 'coated' UV lens just in case...

thanks!
Dirk Diggl.... I mean Kurt :)

[Worley]

How do I get my name in yellow???? :hv20-smilie64:

Become a moderator.

[24Peter]

Become a moderator.

That's what I thought. That ship has already sailed for me. :hv20-smilie122:

[Dodgy Nick]

How do I get my name in yellow???? :hv20-smilie64:

Shoot a PM to Mal, he can make it happen for you. Love your "Stalking Mr Right", good work. They were talking about you, right?

[Ten Ounce]

I just received my lends hood from Fotodiox. Purchased it via their eBay store and on Thursday, arrived today. Overall I'm pretty happy with the hood. Now to go and test it out this weekend. :hv20-smilie58:

[PWHerman]

Has anyone tried the Merkury filters that are on eBay?

http://cgi.ebay.com/43mm-POLARIZER-Polarized-PL-UV-FD-CAMERA-FILTER-Kit-Set_W0QQitemZ190121790316QQihZ009QQcategoryZ15217Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Hey Ten Ounce...I bought that set, got it from here (http://stores.channeladvisor.com/Digitalet/items/item.aspx?itemid=1107888) though.

I'm by no means a professional, so I bought it for kicks...ordered them a little bit ago and they came in 2 days. Here's some pictures:

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/4063/filters1gx9.jpg
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/3876/filters2nz5.jpg
http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/2716/filters3zs0.jpg

As you can see, they all came in a little case, which is actually pretty nice. There's a little separator in there, too, so that they don't slam up against each other in there. I can't really compare them against any others, because well...I don't have any others (just getting into all this). But, after testing them out a little bit around the house/yard for what they're aimed at doing, I like them. I'll be leaving the UV on and might use the Polarizer if I need to shoot some reflection-intestive things, shoot through a window, or shoot into (and through) water. The F-DL filter darkened the image too much, so I probably won't be using that (prefer CineMode anyways). People might be skeptic because they're not a very well-known brand or anything, but I can vouch and say that they're very decent, especially for the $11 price tag. So all in all, I'd say they're a good buy for $11.

[Worley]

I bought something similar on ebay (http://tinyurl.com/2pbjqn) but it hasn't arrived. Waited two weeks so far. Everything else I've ordered from around the world arrived within 7 days. :(

[PWHerman]

That sucks Worley...I saw them on eBay too, but I always check to see if things are available elsewhere for cheaper. It's also easier this way, because I can just order via credit card directly from the site, no fooling with eBay in any way. I guess I got lucky this time. Hope they get there soon!

[grinchy]

I'll dredge this up to add that I got based on the recommendations in here:
B+W UV Haze 010 MRC $40 (ouch, ebay comparison as little as $7)
Hoya ND8 (or .6) MC $23 (ouch, ebay comparison as little as $10, or $22 for a 2x, 4x and 8x set) I live in Huntington Beach so I suspect I'll be using this lens a lot, so I spent the extra.

What to do about the polarizer? Is linear or circular preferred (both are recommended)? Is it worth is to jump from $10 ebay to $70 Kaesseman B+W? How much is this lens really used? Is it necessary for it to be coated - I only find B+W coated in 43mm . . . if the whole purpose of the polarizer is to reduce reflection, aren't the coatings already on it? Can I use the polarizer as a ND3x equivalent?

Thanks for any help on the polarizer Q!

[Wolfman]

What!!!!!!can some one please tell me (who's got a wide angle)what's going on.When putting it onto the cam,are you able to zoom in and out without any blur,and does the picture stay in focus the whole time?I'f tried manual and auto.Please let me know ASAP.

[grinchy]

Many Wide Angles are not "zoomable" or "zoom through", especially the cheap ones. Consensus seems to be if you want to zoom with the lens to get the Raynox (mostly zoomable) or the Cannon H43 - completely zoomable

[Ten Ounce]

Hey Ten Ounce...I bought that set, got it from here (http://stores.channeladvisor.com/Digitalet/items/item.aspx?itemid=1107888) though.

I'm by no means a professional, so I bought it for kicks...ordered them a little bit ago and they came in 2 days. Here's some pictures:

As you can see, they all came in a little case, which is actually pretty nice. There's a little separator in there, too, so that they don't slam up against each other in there. I can't really compare them against any others, because well...I don't have any others (just getting into all this). But, after testing them out a little bit around the house/yard for what they're aimed at doing, I like them. I'll be leaving the UV on and might use the Polarizer if I need to shoot some reflection-intestive things, shoot through a window, or shoot into (and through) water. The F-DL filter darkened the image too much, so I probably won't be using that (prefer CineMode anyways). People might be skeptic because they're not a very well-known brand or anything, but I can vouch and say that they're very decent, especially for the $11 price tag. So all in all, I'd say they're a good buy for $11.

Thanks for the feedback. I am waiting to place my order with them until I get some more feedback on the quality of their products, but so far it's pretty much the only thing out there that will fit our cameras without stepup adapters.

[grinchy]

Got the B+W Haze filter and 43mm generic rubber lens hood today from B&H. The ND 8x was special order.
The Haze filter is super nice and fits in tightly. Don't think I'll have it off anytime soon. Doesn't seem to affect the focus with my ZCW-200 wide angle, and if anything the WA seems to focus faster now. Weird.
I do like the generic hood. It's not big at all, collapses readily, and best of all is double threaded, so I can put the ND or a polarizer right in it. I thought I'd have to take it off a bunch, so extra bonus. It was only $5 so I'm pretty happy there.

[Numbox]

I'm bumping up an old thread, don't wanna open up a new one just for this.

Got myself a UV multicoated, Grey ND and circular polarizer from Heliopan.
I opened them up and started playing with them a bit. After trying them on i noticed one of them had a piece of thread or whatever the proper term is in english. So, my question is: how do you clean filters? Obviously i can't use my fingers :hv20-smilie31: but what should i use? Would any piece of cloth damage them?

[bluegrass]

When I purchased some filters from B&H, attention was brought to me about accessories which included a lens cleaning kit. The important piece I thought was what they call a micro-fiber cloth. That is what I would recommend you purchase.

Hopefully, you're not speaking of a metal thread. If you are, I certainly would blow that dude off before doing any more cleaning. If it's just a cloth thread, you would be safe in using the cloth to cleaning.

The microfiber cloth that I got seems like a pretty nice material for cleaning lenses but before that I used a kleenex tissue or something like a t-shirt soft cotton material. I'm sure some of camera pros might have some more suggestions.

[JohnI]

Does Hoya even make a multicoated circular polarizer glass filter? I found this http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/122011-REG/Hoya_012111_43mm_Circular_Polarizer_Glass.html but that does not have MC. When I googled the item with multicoat nothing of relevance came up.

[Tog]

All of Hoya circular polarizer filters are multicoated. I believe they have 7 coats. Polarizers are different then other filters. Only one side is coated. Go here (http://www.2filter.com/prices/digcam.html). If do not see what you want on their web site, give them a call. Not all filter are listed. The price will be reduced when you place it in the cart.

Tog

[daveman123]

Hizbiz, I agree 100% with those filters. I have those for my MVX40.

To be honest, I wasn't convinced that any of them did anything, so yesterday I did some tests.

The UV filter, really does remove haze, especially from scenes with water, making the colours more vivid. Our eyes don't notice it, but the camera does.

The polarizers are fantastic for removing reflections. You can shoot through windows, (outside to in, not inside to out) without any reflections. So great if you want to film actors in a car, or in a shop. Also, it removed reflections from wooden floors, tv screens, etc, so there is virtually no glare hitting the camera.

The ND filters are great for narrowing the depth of field. You won't notice it happening, but if you are in Auto or Tv mode, with the ND filter on, the camera will open up the iris, allowing more light to hit the CMOS, thereby narrowing the DoF. It's best to use an ND filter where there is enough light to compensate for its effect.

I don't think it's worth getting any other filters, and effects such as graduated tints are easy to add during the edit.

Just to be clear, I can attach a UV filter and a circular polarizer filter on the end of a 58mm WA Raynox 6600 right? I read somewhere that the circular polarizer already had a UV filter on it so that it wasn't necessary..

[kosulin]

CP do not have UV filters, but for HV30 you do not need UV filer except for alpine/desert trips where UV and IR can be very high. I'd look for UV/IR filter for such extreme conditions. UV filter is already built-in before the sensor.

[Dr. Benway]

All of Hoya circular polarizer filters are multicoated. I believe they have 7 coats. Polarizers are different then other filters. Only one side is coated. Go here (http://www.2filter.com/prices/digcam.html). If do not see what you want on their web site, give them a call. Not all filter are listed. The price will be reduced when you place it in the cart.

Tog

Nah, they have differing grades. HV Star is encouraging people to buy direct rather than through eBay due to hikes in the seller fees.

[Dr. Benway]

Does Hoya even make a multicoated circular polarizer glass filter? I found this http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/122011-REG/Hoya_012111_43mm_Circular_Polarizer_Glass.html but that does not have MC. When I googled the item with multicoat nothing of relevance came up.

Search for Hoya HMC, Pro-1 or SHMC or S-HMC. They have differing grades.

I personally use a Tiffen Linear Polarizer on my HV. People's set-ups differ but I encourage the use of step-up rings and larger filter sizes. And hoods! Please do not leave your HV naked.

I bought a $120 B+W MRC CPL for my 5D. Stills require much higher quality filters due to much higher resolution.