Panasonic GH2 and Voigtlander

[Crosby!]

Not my footage, just passing on:

Day Tests:


http://vimeo.com/18339851

Night Tests:


http://vimeo.com/18349775

[jet]

Nice looking but made me a bit giddy, i am confused by the crop factor as standard panasonic lenses have a 2x crop but the lenses in the film varied crop, i have some tamrom zoom [canon fit] lenses and dont know what the crop factor would be with a DMW-MS1 adaptor.

[Crosby!]

Well the camera as it is has a 2x (1.9x I've read elsewhere) crop factor from a 35mm lens format. So a 50/1.4 will look like a 100/1.4. It's actually a crop and not a focal length change though. Now, there's an Extra Tele Conversion (Ex Tele Conv) mode that changes the crop factor to 2.6x so now that 50/1.4 looks like a 130/1.4. So, your Tamrom zoom zoom lenses with an adapter will have 2x crop with the GH2 alone and a 2.6x in Ex Tele Conv mode. That's what the crop changes were in the video.

See the article on in it Luminous Landscape: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/panasonic_gh2_11_mode_revealed.shtml

A DMW-MS1 is the Panasonic stereo microphone. I have a $25 or so Canon FD to MFT adapter that I bought for the GH1 I had -- and an untouched timer remote control and new battery. Timer should work with the GH2 but the battery won't. :hv20-smilie50:

[jet]

Well the camera as it is has a 2x (1.9x I've read elsewhere) crop factor from a 35mm lens format. So a 50/1.4 will look like a 100/1.4. It's actually a crop and not a focal length change though. Now, there's an Extra Tele Conversion (Ex Tele Conv) mode that changes the crop factor to 2.6x so now that 50/1.4 looks like a 130/1.4. So, your Tamrom zoom zoom lenses with an adapter will have 2x crop with the GH2 alone and a 2.6x in Ex Tele Conv mode. That's what the crop changes were in the video.

See the article on in it Luminous Landscape: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/panasonic_gh2_11_mode_revealed.shtml

A DMW-MS1 is the Panasonic stereo microphone. I have a $25 or so Canon FD to MFT adapter that I bought for the GH1 I had -- and an untouched timer remote control and new battery. Timer should work with the GH2 but the battery won't. :hv20-smilie50:

So using my tamron at max 300mm zoom will give me the equivalent to 1560mm with the ctop factor and extra tele zoom.

also numbers 3-4 http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=2.5-3.5+adaptors&x=0&y=0 adaptors wont work so i can use my 3.5 pin stereo external mics.

Ps i could not afford the adaptor you mention what reasonable one would do what i need, i only use manual focus.Would this one nt do the same job
http://www.cliftoncameras.co.uk/Panasonic_DMW-MA1_Mount_Adapter_-_Four_Thirds#product

[Crosby!]

So using my tamron at max 300mm zoom will give me the equivalent to 1560mm with the ctop factor and extra tele zoom.

I may not have been clean enough which is why I recommended the Luminous Landscape article. With just the lens and adapter you'd get a 2x crop for an equiv. of 600mm with your zoom at 300mm. With the Ex Tele Conv on you'd get 780mm, a 2.6x crop.


also numbers 3-4 http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=2.5-3.5+adaptors&x=0&y=0 adaptors wont work so i can use my 3.5 pin stereo external mics.

If you're going to plug a mic into the camera you will need an adapter that converts the mic plus to the GH2's 2.5mm (I think) socket. Something like this would work for a 3.5mm mic plug:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/414jnD%2BKjTL._SL500_AA300_.jpg


Ps i could not afford the adaptor you mention what reasonable one would do what i need, i only use manual focus.Would this one nt do the same job
http://www.cliftoncameras.co.uk/Panasonic_DMW-MA1_Mount_Adapter_-_Four_Thirds#product

Ah, the DMW-MA1 is a Panasonic adapter for using 4/3rd lens (Panasonic and Olympus) on MFT camera (GF1, G2, G10, GH1, GH2...AF100). It's a special adapter that had the electrical contacts to allow most or all of the lens' features to work. Panasonic has a lens compatibility chart (http://panasonic.jp/support/global/cs/dsc/connect/g1.html) that might be useful.

However, what camera were your Tamron lenses originally for? You said Canon and if you meant Canon EOS the Kipon adapter would work, just not as well as the expensive one but maybe good enough and it's certainly a lot cheaper. See this thread: http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?40389

If the lenses were for older non-auto-focus Canon FL/FD bodies then you can get an adapter like I have for $20 (U.S.) and up. Search eBay for "canon fd to m43"

http://www.litooc.com/img/p/65-248-thickbox.jpg

[jet]

So using my tamron at max 300mm zoom will give me the equivalent to 1560mm with the ctop factor and extra tele zoom.

also numbers 3-4 http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=2.5-3.5+adaptors&x=0&y=0 adaptors wont work so i can use my 3.5 pin stereo external mics.

Ps i could not afford the adaptor you mention what reasonable one would do what i need, i only use manual focus.Would this one nt do the same job
http://www.cliftoncameras.co.uk/Panasonic_DMW-MA1_Mount_Adapter_-_Four_Thirds#product
my previous was a canon T3i 550D here
Yes i now know that the http://www.cliftoncameras.co.uk/Panasonic_DMW-MA1_Mount_Adapter_-_Four_Thirds#productadaptors no good, but there are cheap adaptors that lose AF /IRIS and IS but i dont mind MF and no image stabaliser but not sure if no iris control is a managable option.
i see you say with a 300 zoom i would get a 600mm with 2x crop total 780mm with 2.6 EX TELE but would it not be 1560mm.Thanks for your help

[Crosby!]

Yes i now know that the http://www.cliftoncameras.co.uk/Panasonic_DMW-MA1_Mount_Adapter_-_Four_Thirds#productadaptors no good, but there are cheap adaptors that lose AF /IRIS and IS but i dont mind MF and no image stabaliser but not sure if no iris control is a managable option.

Whew, I think you replied while I was replying. Hopefully, I answered your questions.

[jet]

It looks too hit and miss i have a tamron 10-24mm & 28-300mm that would be the main lenses from the 550D, also a canon 50mm f1.8 but i need use of the teleconversion lenses, the 50mm canon f1.8mm is not so important to me. The new very expensive adaptor is a option for people with large lens collections but people like me with only a couple.

[Crosby!]

Ah, you edited your post and I see that you have EOS lenses. See the link I provided on the Kipon adapter. That and the Birger Engineering (http://www.birger.com/) one are the only EOS to MFT converters that I know of so far.

[jet]

my lenses are a tamron af aspherical XR DI ld [if] 28-300 1.3-5.6-6.3 MACRO 62 and tamron sp 10-24 f 3.5-4.5 af/mf as written on the lenses, they were used on my canon T2i/550D .So there is no convertors even basic ones, i will edit the post to show the lenses at amazon.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0002VYJPY/ref=oss_product

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B001GVINA6/ref=oss_product

[Crosby!]

To use those lenses on a GH2 with some type of aperture control, because it's not on the lens itself, then you will need to get one of the two adapters, Kipon or Birger Engineering. If you only want to shoot wide open, or play until you can get a more expensive adapter, then there are inexpensive EOS to M43 (MFT or micro 4/3rd) adapters. Here's a quick example on eBay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320464370974):

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_-7XKM-63hp0/S8bYKZJkfpI/AAAAAAAACjg/0OFbLFLwpZ4/s800/DEOSM431.JPG

Other than that you can use the kit lens until you can sell yours and get other lenses -- older Canon FD, Nikon, Minolta, et al, manual focus lenses work very well with the appropriate adapter, etc. One of the big points of the MFT format is that you can pretty much use any lenses out there...with adapters.

[jet]

Thank you i imagine filming wide open open is realy ---p as some parts would be correct exposure and others dark and over exposed,its a shame as a cheap adaptor like that
would be fine if it gave some control, so i may well sell my 3 canon fit lenses and put towards a canon 100-300mm.

[Crosby!]

Well, you have options if you're not shooting one continuous film in a variety of lighting. There's ND and variable ND filters (Polaroid (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_sq_all?ie=UTF8&keywords=polaroid%20variable%20density%20filter&index=blended&pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B00328F6II&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=05W41D7799EYKZVQ5FNE) just starting making a variable that's cheaper than some others), changing the ISO, shutter speed if you're not going for a "film" look, lighting, time of day, and even the 14-140mm Panasonic lens. However, with manual focus lenses like Canon FD, Nikon MF, Pentax, Minolta, Contax/Zeiss, etc. and the right adapter you'll have all the control you'll need...and you still may want ND filters.

[Philip Goetz]

Check out the Kipon EOS to MFT adapter with built in aperture control on the Panasonic AG-AF100 with the Canon 50mm F1.8 lens. The adapter has no electronics so it has no auto focus:


http://vimeo.com/19712922

[jet]

It seems a bit basic and will it work with the my lenses mentioned,as it has power will the birger ADAPTOR allow all controls aperture focus etc as normal on cam use with my GH2

[Crosby!]

From Birger Engineering (http://www.birger.com/): "Control for the iris, both auto and manual, will be from the camera. Continuous (video-style) auto-focus will be supported on most Canon "L-series" lenses. Power is provided by the camera for most lenses. Image stabilization is supported on "IS" lenses, and this feature can be turned on or off from the lens. Sampling to dealers and "friends & family" early March. Ships in volume April 2011. MSRP $700 for the adapter."

Your call but with the lenses you want to use the Birger is probably not the right adapter for you.

[jet]

Not the right one it does everything i want but you say its not the right one,Oh well there ia always the T3i.

[Crosby!]

Well, it's $700 and designed for "Canon L-series lenses". While I have no idea what that means in relation to the lenses you have, except the L-series are usually faster (brighter), it may or may not work with your lenses. You'll have to ask Birger to know for sure.

My thinking is that since the Birger adapter costs more than your lenses maybe the Kipon would be a better choice -- now AF, etc.. If you HAVE to have AF, etc. maybe get the Panasonic or Olympus lenses that work on the GH2. If you prefer a Canon, fine, just understand that AF won't work in video mode on them with your lenses either.

[jet]

Well, it's $700 and designed for "Canon L-series lenses". While I have no idea what that means in relation to the lenses you have, except the L-series are usually faster (brighter), it may or may not work with your lenses. You'll have to ask Birger to know for sure.

My thinking is that since the Birger adapter costs more than your lenses maybe the Kipon would be a better choice -- now AF, etc.. If you HAVE to have AF, etc. maybe get the Panasonic or Olympus lenses that work on the GH2. If you prefer a Canon, fine, just understand that AF won't work in video mode on them with your lenses either.

http://www.four-thirds.org/en/microft/lens_chart.html The trouble is there are very few micro four third lenses,my Tamron 10-24mm is a great lens in my opinion and my Tamron 28-300mm has a good 10x range the only two 300mm micro lenses have 3 and 4x and the olympus is expensive,i hear conflicting reports about the birger adaptor barry Grreen says if the canon could control the lens the birger should as well, whatever i need camera control and E-T-C to work so i can get the 1560mm close ups i need at times,even though the birger will be expensive it will be cheaper than buying a new 9-14mm and panasonic 100-300mm with its 3x range,i guess i will have to wait to see how the birger works before deciding, in the meen time my 3 canon lenses lie idle.Cheers

[Crosby!]

There's the Panasonic's lens compatibility chart (http://panasonic.jp/support/global/cs/dsc/connect/gh2.html) as well.

I still suggest you contact Birger Engineering, maybe email them your questions. That will help you make decisions and put your mind at rest. There may be a reason they stated L-series lenses. Could be the speed of the lenses, the USM AF motors, etc. I have no idea. There's also the issue of what will be powering the AF, etc. in the Canon EOS lenses, does the GH2 have enough power or will you need a special adapter/battery pack? Checking with Birger will clear that up for you.

Just curious, what type of video are you shooting or plan to shoot?

[jet]

There's the Panasonic's lens compatibility chart (http://panasonic.jp/support/global/cs/dsc/connect/gh2.html) as well.

I still suggest you contact Birger Engineering, maybe email them your questions. That will help you make decisions and put your mind at rest. There may be a reason they stated L-series lenses. Could be the speed of the lenses, the USM AF motors, etc. I have no idea. There's also the issue of what will be powering the AF, etc. in the Canon EOS lenses, does the GH2 have enough power or will you need a special adapter/battery pack? Checking with Birger will clear that up for you.

Just curious, what type of video are you shooting or plan to shoot?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B001GVINA6/ref=oss_product

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0002VYJPY/ref=oss_product

These are the 2 main lenses i want to use with my GH2 the fixed 50mm is not so important,thank you for the chart it is a little confusing,i need a very long zoom for my nature filming i do a lot of nature and also general outdoor documentary filming,so you have read about L series may have problems.if more than the adaptor is needed i will not bother,i think trying to get info from birger may help.

Edit i have emailed them whether i get a deffinate answer is another thing.

[Crosby!]

Ah, nature work. I'd probably get the Panasonic 100-300 for the OIS and possibly faster AF, but that's just me. However, good luck. Let me know what Birger says. Good luck!

[cgbier]

Well the camera as it is has a 2x (1.9x I've read elsewhere) crop factor from a 35mm lens format. So a 50/1.4 will look like a 100/1.4. It's actually a crop and not a focal length change though. Now, there's an Extra Tele Conversion (Ex Tele Conv) mode that changes the crop factor to 2.6x so now that 50/1.4 looks like a 130/1.4
Just a few comments on this one: The 4/3 "crop factor" is 2x (the 1.9 comes from the unused sensor area IIRC). However, that 50/1.4 doesn't behave like a 100/1.4, but a 100/2.0. Due to the "crop factor" you loose a stop of shallowness (light stays the same) compared to 135. The tele conversion takes away another 2/3 stop, so it would be a 130/2.5 (or so).

IMHO, this is purely academically though. I'm shooting with an Olympus system for about 5 years now, and I rarely missed the shallow DOF of my 50/1.4 Nikkor. Paper thin DOF looks better on film than on pixels in any way.

[jet]

Ah, nature work. I'd probably get the Panasonic 100-300 for the OIS and possibly faster AF, but that's just me. However, good luck. Let me know what Birger says. Good luck!

Yes i would like one and the wide olympus but they will cost a lot more than the adaptor and my 28-300mm has a better 10x range,i got some good stuff with it before on manual focus,
no reply from birger yet i fear i wont.