Vishus' Halloween Short Film Contest 2010

[Vishus]

Hello Halloween Fans!

That time of year has arrived again, and in the spirit of fun, I am holding a Halloween short film contest just for the members of HV20.com!

I have talked with HueyNRolf who is currently managing the Antman contest, and he is ok with me running this contest. The rules for this one will be slightly different, please be sure to read below.

The Rules:
1) Do not make your short film longer than 7 minutes
2) Videos are ALLOWED to be rated R. Ensure that your video follows the content restrictions listed on Vimeo, but they are not restricting.
3) Videos to be posted to the Vimeo group that i have set-up (http://vimeo.com/groups/65126).
4.) Usage of copyright/trademarks:
a) Usage of copyrighted objects, images or trademarks is permissible so long as they are not central to the plot of the short. Usage beyond this such as green screen backdrops, fake commercial of a real product, etc. requires release from the copyright/trademark holder.
b) Use of copyrighted music both in lyrics, score or performance, other than such that is recorded incidentally during normal filming, without a release will result in the video being disqualified.
5) Entries must be made specifically for this contest. All entries made before the announcement of the contest, or for a different purpose will be disqualified.
6) Your short film has to have something to do with Halloween! It can be a horror, comedy, drama or whatever, just make sure it's appropriate for this time of year.

The Prize:
There will be a prize package for the winner. The more entries we get, the bigger I will make the prize package. At 4 or less entrants there will be the default prize package. 5–9 will be another level, and if we hit 10+ entries, I will add even more to the prize pack.

The first level prize pack includes an unopened tin collectors set that contains 10 Horror Movie Classics and a bonus "Sounds of Horror" audio CD, an unopened copy of Dawn of the Dead (2004), and some special effects make-up/goodies. (The DVDs are Region 1)

Judging:
I will be the judge for this one. I will be judging on a lot of the usual factors, storytelling, scare (or laugh or emotional) factor, acting, etc. I will also of course factor in technical aspects like lighting, sound, editing, effects etc. I fully encourage others to post feedback on the videos, and if comments are posted in time, I will read and consider the comments before I decide on a winner.

The Timing:
The contest starts today, October 2nd, 2010 and runs until Sunday October 24th at 6:00pm EST. I will announce the winner by Monday October 25th.

Upload your video to the group here: http://vimeo.com/groups/65126

[paperkut12]

Yes, thank you Vishus for setting this up. I'm thinking I will have problems with the copyright thing, but I'm going to try and work around it. I was originally going to use a little stuff just for fun, but seeing as there's a prize involved :D I will have to magically learn after effects or some kind of effects work. Expect a lot of blood and a lot of profanity.

I'm hoping you will provide an entry too Vishus. Yay Halloween!

Put a little something in my sig to help.

[drapeama]

Good thing, might be entering this one, as i'd get more time to do something watchable! Thanks for the idea!

[Daniel Rutter]

Even though us Aussies don't celebrate Halloween, I reckon I might cook something up.

[Sunday Cracker]

i will do my best to shift time around to make one for this!

[Vishus]

I'm thinking I will have problems with the copyright thing, but I'm going to try and work around it.

What kind of copyright problem? And depending on what you are doing for your blood effects, you can go with practical effects. A little more to set-up, but a lot faster (and probably more realistic) than after effects in the long run. Of course, depending on the effect, sometimes it is impossible to do the practical effect on no budget. Either way, I look forward to your entry!

[paperkut12]

What kind of copyright problem? And depending on what you are doing for your blood effects, you can go with practical effects. A little more to set-up, but a lot faster (and probably more realistic) than after effects in the long run. Of course, depending on the effect, sometimes it is impossible to do the practical effect on no budget. Either way, I look forward to your entry!

Well actually it's not the blood (I wouldn't have it any other way using practical effects) I just worded my sentence wrong. It's mostly with titles and maybe some music, but I'm gonna try my best to work around it. I'm going towards a Grindhouse-esque deal, and I suck with any sort of graphics, but I'll see what I'll come up with (I wouldn't want it to be ineligible),

[Maxwell]

Sound's cool, ill try to enter.

[Sunday Cracker]

finishing up the script for mine. fimin' it this sunday!

[KingDucky]

Even though us Aussies don't celebrate Halloween

NO Candy!??!

I'm definitely entering.

[Timbit]

Hmm... I'm thinking...

[Daniel Rutter]

I have an idea that I half penned a while ago, I just need to crack it out and finish it.

I've already begun casting, which helps!

[jordanmiller]

Is it fine if my video is a bit over? I'm uploading it now. Its about 12 minutes but a good portion of it is credits

[Daniel Rutter]

Is it fine if my video is a bit over? I'm uploading it now. Its about 12 minutes but a good portion of it is credits
12 minutes? Surely there's something in there that could be cut down. Stick to the rules, I'd say... otherwise risk being disqualified...

[Fade to inferno]

If the video itself is under 7 minutes sure. but i somehow doubt you have 5 minute credits

[jordanmiller]

the most i could POSSIBLY trim it to would be 9:00... I guess im out :(

[Daniel Rutter]

Lose the credits? You don't need exceptionally long credits for a short film anyway...

[Fade to inferno]

Jordan, send me a link to your vid. and i can guarantee you I can find a few things to cut out. Might turn out better, with an outside perspective and all

[jordanmiller]

Jordan, send me a link to your vid. and i can guarantee you I can find a few things to cut out. Might turn out better, with an outside perspective and all

Alright here. Me and my highschool buddies made it in a couple weeks. its not perfect, but whatev

MODERATOR EDIT: *Snip*

That way, nobody see's your entry too early - Daniel

[Fade to inferno]

I'm gunna PM you my deductions. I don't want to flood this thread. just fyi. In fact i would recommend you PM the link and delete your post. Also I believe using micheal Myers and his mask is a copyright infringement

[Daniel Rutter]

I removed the link, hope you saved it FTI :)

[Fade to inferno]

i'll PM him or i'm sure i can find it. Daniel is that copy right infringement if he uses micheal myers' name and his mask?

[Daniel Rutter]

Daniel is that copy right infringement if he uses micheal myers' name and his mask?
I wouldn't actually know. Enforcement of rules is up to OP, I'm just putting my mod powers to use just to help out. For some reason, I still have them, even though I pulled out of the contest last week. Hehe...

[Fade to inferno]

Alright, i'll ask vishus when i get the chance. Damn man donate them mod powers to me ;)

[HueyNRolf]

5) Entries must be made specifically for this contest. All entries made before the announcement of the contest, or for a different purpose will be disqualified.


Me and my highschool buddies made it in a couple weeks.

Wasn't October 2nd less than a couple of weeks ago?

[Fade to inferno]

true. wow three reasons for DQ lol

[Vishus]

Hi Jordan,

We would love as many entries as possible for this contest, but we need to make sure that they were filmed for THIS contest. From the timing of your filming and the length of your film, it sounds like your short film was created for something else. I understand that you're proud of your film and the desire to get it out there and seen, but so far it sounds like your film doesn't qualify for this contest. Please let us know.

[Sunday Cracker]

so... how many people are participating in this one?

[Daniel Rutter]

I won't be entering after all. I REALLY need to get cracking on this wedding video, or else I won't have a business to run :)

Sorry guys.

[paperkut12]

Most likely I will be entering. Had to scrap my first idea due to not enough actors, but I'll have to come up with something else.

[Timbit]

I'm still thinking of a plot. :)

[Sunday Cracker]

I just got some post production, then i'll be ready

[Vishus]

There is 2.5 weeks until due date. I am really hoping to see some great entries!

[Timbit]

Two and a half weeks? Good! I was thinking that there was less time than that left!

[paperkut12]

There is 2.5 weeks until due date. I am really hoping to see some great entries!

Isn't it about 1.5 weeks from now? Due the 24th, or has it been changed?

[Vishus]

I just can't count.... Sorry guys. I saw that there was two weekends left, then the half week this week. There is 1.5 weeks left!

Do people want an extension? I can set the deadline for the 30th if that will increase the number of entries. I was just thinking that the 24th was early enough so that we could watch the halloween entries in advance of halloween! Please let me know if you think there is honestly a benefit for backing things up a week.

[Timbit]

It doesn't matter to me. I'm still trying to think of a story and plot, so if I make it I make it, and if I don't--well, you'll know where I was... :p

[paperkut12]

I wouldn't object to more time, but it's fine if it stays the same date. I'm with Timbit; still in the idea stage since I had to scrap my old one. I know I will have one day of shooting with my actors most likely so I need to plan accordingly. Hope I get something done.

[Lawrence189]

I have a great idea for this. Nice job setting this up.

[KingDucky]

deadline for the 30th

Maybe due on Halloween?(31st).:hv20-smilie02:

[Palmer S.]

Maybe due on Halloween?(31st).:hv20-smilie02:

Yeah, but Ducky; the idea is to be able to watch and have them judged BEFORE Halloween. That way we can enjoy them on the day.

I'm sort of in the same camp as Paperkut; I wouldn't mind the extra time (it would actually make it more likely for me to get something done), but I don't need it.

[KingDucky]

Vishus. if more people enter, what would the 2nd or 3rd level prizes be? And would it be the same as the first level prized, but with more stuff?

How many people are definitely going to enter?

[Vishus]

Vishus. if more people enter, what would the 2nd or 3rd level prizes be? And would it be the same as the first level prized, but with more stuff?

I will add to the prize, not replace. I've got some cool stuff to add in. Halloween/horror related of course!

[KingDucky]

Coolio. I'm still tryin to think of an idea. Thats always my shortfall in these contests.....

[paperkut12]

Coolio. I'm still tryin to think of an idea. Thats always my shortfall in these contests.....

A killer duck terrorizes town...BOOM..no need to thank me.

[KingDucky]

A killer duck terrorizes town...BOOM..no need to thank me.

Have you considered script writing professionally? There's no doubt the talents there.:hv20-smilie84:

And I WILL Thank you.:hv20-smilie77::hv20-smilie84:

[blondandfun]

I will enter this if it's extended till Friday or Sat Oct 29 or 30.

My roomate has several of the main props that were used in Rob Zombie's Halloween ii, which was shot in Georgia.

I'm going to watch it for inspiration and then get going on it this week.

[paperkut12]

How's everyone going on their entries? Who's done? Who's still developing?

I'm still trying to come up with a good idea to do with minimal actors.

[Timbit]

How's everyone going on their entries? Who's done? Who's still developing?

In the same boat as you! :)

[Sunday Cracker]

done and submitted

[Vishus]

I will enter this if it's extended till Friday or Sat Oct 29 or 30.

OK, we have one entry so far, so I will extend the deadline, so that we can have some more halloween fun! Your shorts are now due at 5:00 PM Saturday October 30th.

[Vishus]

:hv20-smilie02:So... Sunday Cracker has submitted his video, but when I go into the vimeo group, I can't see anywhere at all to view it/approve it! Can anyone please steer me in the right direction? I can find where they put the videos that are pending!

[HueyNRolf]

shorts are now due at 5:00 PM Saturday October 30th.

You should put a time zone on it.

[Vishus]

You should put a time zone on it.

Good call. I keep forgetting how international this board is!

Due date is 5:00pm EST Saturday October 20th 2010. (UTC - 5 hours)

[HueyNRolf]

Yeah, Vishus. I run Time-Zone awareness courses. No more scheduled this year. But I'll post details of my 2011 courses once it's fixed. I also do cable curling, neck tie knotting and heabutting classes.

In fact, I don't teach headbutting in person anymore, but I have a great team of trainers, hand picked by yours truly !

[paperkut12]

Nice, I needed this extension.

[Timbit]

Still trying to think of something...

[HueyNRolf]

Still trying to think of something...

Sign up for my 'creative procrastination' seminar.

[Sunday Cracker]

Sign up for my 'creative procrastination' seminar.

if I ever get around to it

[Timbit]

Sign up for my 'creative procrastination' seminar.
No thanks! :) I can just ask my sister how it's done in sneaky ways. :p

[KingDucky]

Sign up for my 'creative procrastination' seminar.

if I ever get around to it

Beautiful.:hv20-smilie79:

[Lawrence189]

Yeah I like the extension, I will be entering as well.

[Vishus]

Hi,

Always fun to figure out who is who between our usernames here, and the usernames on Vimeo. Adam Douglas, if you're reading. Your video has been submitted twice. Are they a slightly different edit, and you are trying to replace the one before, or is the upload giving you trouble? When I go to your channel, I can see a third upload that is working. I can add that one to the contest if they are all the same edit. Please let me know!

[KingDucky]

Hm.. Can it be really sick? Like Saw(the movie not the tool ) stuff? Or like eating people? <Gross but scary.And creepy. Purfekt for Halloween.

[paperkut12]

Hm.. Can it be really sick? Like Saw(the movie not the tool ) stuff? Or like eating people? <Gross but scary.And creepy. Purfekt for Halloween.

I wouldn't see why not, Saw stuff falls within an R rating. The more gross, the better, I say.

[Vishus]

Hm.. Can it be really sick? Like Saw(the movie not the tool ) stuff? Or like eating people? <Gross but scary.And creepy. Purfekt for Halloween.

Go crazy. This isn't part of the regular contest, so you can go as gory and twisted as you want. Please just mark it NSFW if need be. :)

Looking forward to your entry.

[dougzy]

Hi Vishus, this is Adam. My upload was giving me trouble - could you submit the one currently on my channel?

Thanks

[Vishus]

could you submit the one currently on my channel?

It's in there now. Thanks for your entry!

[dougzy]

Thanks :D

[Bif]

Hi,

Always fun to figure out who is who between our usernames here, and the usernames on Vimeo.

I guess I'm taking some of that "fun" out of it. Starting to sign posts here with my real name, Bif isn't much of a "screen name" as it's my initials and became a nickname that stuck with me through 20 years in the military, resurfaced and stayed with me for 13 years air force civil service.

We had to initial documents, logs, and such; Others realized my initials could be pronounced and it stuck.

But I've not been much of one to "hide" behind made up screen names anyway.

Bruce Foreman

[KingDucky]

I guess I'm taking some of that "fun" out of it

We can still try to guess your middle name!

Ivan?Issac?Irwin?....Irene?:hv20-smilie84:

[Bif]

That...

...Was a low quack, Duck.

[KingDucky]

That...

...Was a low quack, Duck.

:hv20-smilie84::hv20-smilie84::hv20-smilie77:

[Sunday Cracker]

I only add to the confusion as my real name is Ian, my vimeo account is Coffee Pot Films, and my name here is Sunday Cracker

[Timbit]

I think most of you know my real name now as well.

[KingDucky]

Tim does your avatar imply you got one?

[paperkut12]

Ok, I got my idea and currently writing. Now I need my actors to come through for me.:hv20-smilie15:

[paperkut12]

Has anyone in here tried laundry soap/red dye as blood? I'm looking for something that won't stain things, but still looks relatively good. If not then I'll have to use my corn syrup combo sparringly..

[Timbit]

Tim does your avatar imply you got one?
Unfortunately, no. :( Still wishing I had the other $1,300... :p

[Vishus]

Has anyone in here tried laundry soap/red dye as blood? I'm looking for something that won't stain things, but still looks relatively good. If not then I'll have to use my corn syrup combo sparringly..

Are you using red food colouring? You can try a little liquid dish soap maybe in your corn syrup blood? I haven't tried it, so no promises! Black cherry no-name koolaid can give a nice rich red colour too!

[paperkut12]

Are you using red food colouring? You can try a little liquid dish soap maybe in your corn syrup blood? I haven't tried it, so no promises! Black cherry no-name koolaid can give a nice rich red colour too!

Haven't tried it, but I'll check it out.

[Brendan_pr]

It's a little expensive unless you can find some nice generic bulk stuff but hair gel works really good as fake blood. Mix in some red food colouring as well as a little green and yellow and you are good to go

[paperkut12]

Gotcha, Thanks. Didn't think about hair gel, might be a little too thick though; I'm looking for something more loose. Might try some shampoo and liquid soap.

[Vishus]

Justin Galbo. I've got your submitted, video, Thanks! I took the later one. It looks like you have tried to submit it twice, with a third one uploading. If you were worried about it not working, don't! The upload is there and is now our official 3rd entry!

[Brendan_pr]

It's a little expensive unless you can find some nice generic bulk stuff but hair gel works really good as fake blood. Mix in some red food colouring as well as a little green and yellow and you are good to go

Well, you can add a very little bit of water too it if you want it runny, the thickness actually helps with hair gel, where as with corn syrup it's just extremely irritating. Say if you want a wound on someones head, hair gel is just perfect to glob in a persons hair, where as if you tried it with corn syrup that person would have gone insane by the end of the night :P

[KingDucky]

Vishus, after how many entries will the prize be raised?

[Vishus]

Vishus, after how many entries will the prize be raised?

According to the first post... ;)



The more entries we get, the bigger I will make the prize package. At 4 or less entrants there will be the default prize package. 5–9 will be another level, and if we hit 10+ entries, I will add even more to the prize pack.

[Timbit]

So if I have an entry that was partially made for this contest and another one, but didn't get it submitted to the other one on time (still a few changes I have to make as I speak), can I enter it here? Just wondering.

[Vishus]

So if I have an entry that was partially made for this contest and another one, but didn't get it submitted to the other one on time (still a few changes I have to make as I speak), can I enter it here? Just wondering.

I'd be ok with that as long as the other entrants don't have a problem with it. Other entrants, any objections?

Also, thanks for your honesty. :)

[Sunday Cracker]

any objections?

i say go for it!

[drapeama]

When will you announce the winner?

[Vishus]

When will you announce the winner?

Morning on the 31st!

There are three entries so far. Hoping for more! :)

[Vishus]

It's quiet in here all of a sudden. Does this mean people are busy taking advantage of the extension on the contest? :)

[Fade to inferno]

i'm definitely trying.

[paperkut12]

Really disappointed I'm not able to enter. Unfortunately my only actors weren't available in the allotted time , but whatcha gonna do. Looking forward to the entries though. I'll still make my entry when I can though and post it up.

[Timbit]

I can't find any appropriate music. :( And the way it's all flowing has me annoyed. Guess I'll be watching! :)

[Vishus]

Adam C Sager, Not sure who you are here on the board, but your video is part of the page now. I don't think we can count your video as part of the contest though, as the music you're using is copyright protected (unless I've made a mistake?). Too bad, as it is a great video!

Everyone else, the videos are up! Please go to http://vimeo.com/groups/65126/videos and then post your comments here in this thread. Entries are still being accepted until later today, but I will take into account the feedback that people leave here in the meantime. Winner to be announced tomorrow!

[Daniel Rutter]

Well, considering there was almost a month to make a film... it was a bit disappointing that only 5 entries made it in. Tim, you should put your video up anyway.

My thoughts on the entries so far:

"Pumpkin Dream": I didn't watch this one, as it violates the rules (apparently).

"There's someone in my house": Mate, I'm sorry... but the aspect ratio, and the colour correction made this horrible to watch. Add to the fact that it's a rip off of Paranormal Activity (which wasn't a good movie). It's not all that great, and that's simply because watching it hurt my eyes.

"The Asylum": Some very good cinematography here. You made do with DV mode, and managed to lock out grain and keep it nice and bright! I loved the camera angles, but I think the shake of the footage at the start of the film was distracting. I take it there's no colour grading? It looks appealing, either way. The music was a great choice, and the acting was spot on (even though there is no dialog). I'm curious though... what was on the note?

"Ben Cognito": Holy balls! This was great! The cinematography was amazing! Nice dolly and tripod work, and the lighting was excellent. The acting was some of the best I've seen in any of the contests on here so far, definitely had a comedy feel to it. The only thing I had a problem with, was the lack of film grain or something to make it fit with the opening and closing titles. It kinda ruined the noir feel for me. You really should share some of your lighting secrets ;)

[HueyNRolf]

"Pumpkin Dream": I didn't watch this one, as it violates the rules (apparently).

What?
I thought the contest was about the spirit of getting out there and making a movie, regardless of the validity of the movie itself. Isn't 'Pumpkin Dream' a non-compeptive entry at least? What's that smell? Could it be a whiff of hypocrisy, Daniel?

[Daniel Rutter]

What's that smell? Could it be a whiff of hypocrisy, Daniel?


Adam C Sager, Not sure who you are here on the board, but your video is part of the page now. I don't think we can count your video as part of the contest though, as the music you're using is copyright protected (unless I've made a mistake?). Too bad, as it is a great video!

Huey, try reading all posts before lunging for throats.

[HueyNRolf]

Enough Daniel.

This is not the place.

Sorry Vishus.
I'll post some constructive comments on ALL the entries in a few hours, Bedtime for bonzo here.

[Daniel Rutter]

Enough Daniel.

This is not the place.
I have no idea what you're implying, I was simply putting you in your place. The way you put your previous post sounded like you were trying to start something. All I did was point out the fact that I based my decision on not watching that video, on the fact that Vishus wouldn't be including it.

Add to the fact that right at this second, my net is playing up and it takes 15 minutes to load a piece of 1 minute footage.

[KingDucky]

I think we should still give some feedback on the Pumpking Dream one though. I know if it was me and I accidentally violated the rules, I would still like at least some feedback on all my hard work.

[HueyNRolf]

All I did was point out the fact that I based my decision on not watching that video, on the fact that Vishus wouldn't be including it.

He DID include it, are you blind as well as otherwise challenged?


I was simply putting you in your place.

Ah please.

[HueyNRolf]

I think we should still give some feedback on the Pumpking Dream one though. I know if it was me and I accidentally violated the rules, I would still like at least some feedback on all my hard work.

I concur, thank you Duck.

[paperkut12]

I'll add my 2 cents in. I quite enjoyed all the entries, so great job on everyone!

Hallow's Eve and the Pumpkin Dream
The style and effects were quite amazing; fantastic imagery. Great little short; it left me wanting it to be longer though.

Ben Cognito VS The Case of the Curse
Style and humor executed perfectly. Enjoyed just about everything about it; acting was on point, the visuals; writing etc. Favorite part was the faux Jamaican accent guy; It hit my funny bone.

The Asylum
I liked the atmosphere set here, quite creepy. Sound could have used work, could hear camera hiss. Liked the choice of music and the last shot I thought was excellent.

There's someone in my house
This one also had a nice atmosphere to it. Wasn't a fan of the shots where it broke out of the set up camera shots; I thought if it was kept like that through the whole short it would have been better, maybe just a preference. You captured most of the feel of creepy found footage though, I liked it.

[Bif]

He DID include it, are you blind as well as otherwise challenged?

Huey, for the record:


Adam C Sager, Not sure who you are here on the board, but your video is part of the page now. I don't think we can count your video as part of the contest though, as the music you're using is copyright protected (unless I've made a mistake?). Too bad, as it is a great video!


He put it on the page but otherwise disqualified it, per the rules he published when announcing the contest.

Suggestion: If you are really interested in seeing the hv20.com contest(s) continue, grow, and thrive you might consider doing your part by entering something now and then.

Show us what you've got.

I know you have a tremendous background of technical information, that is plainly evident from the help you offer folks throughout hv20.com.

Yeah, it's a challenge. Are you up to it?

Bruce Foreman

[Bif]

I had hoped to get an entry in this one, too. Had some good ideas and my crew also was giving some input. One of my actors owns a hearse and we were going to use that throughout. But he wound up wrapping up some legal matters and we couldn't get it off the ground. So here's what I came up with on the entries that did make it in.

My comments and observations:

“Hallows Eve And The Pumpkin Dream” by Adam Sager

I wish you had read and followed the rules on the use of music, this has been a frequent topic of discussion on hv20.com. The contest co-ordinator HAS to disqualify your entry for the use of copyright protected music because if the copyright holder has not given permission for everyone to use it (like Moby has with some music), specific written permission, or permission through purchased usage rights, or has not placed it under Creative Commons, you may not use that music. When you post your video on any publicly viewed site you are in effect distributing it along with the music you may not legally distribute.

I know that sounds harsh but it is what it is…Law

Otherwise I feel your entry could almost have been a “shoo in” for a First Place win. The technical aspects of it were highly imaginative, composition and compositing perfectly done and the entire thing had a very dreamlike quality.

“There’s Someone In My House” by Justin Galbo

I can tell a lot of effort went into this one. It really had a creepy feel to it and showed a lot of imagination. The “shadowy” figures moving in the background of some shots contributed to the overall mood. The pace generally seemed slow, tighter editing would have helped this, and something went wrong in the rendering process and messed up the aspect ration.

Before your next one, do some experimental renderings and see if you can pin down something that maintains your camera’s aspect ratio.

Also (and this pertains to everyone who has not been doing it) you need to credit the music you use. If it comes from a “royalty free” collection it is common to credit the title, author (if known), and the source.

“The Asylum” by Adam Douglas

The lighting used contributed to a pretty creepy feel, camera angles and compositon helped a lot, This was a well done imaginative piece but it could have benefited from tighter editing. Sometimes we let the camera “linger” too long on many things, I think a lot of us are guilty of that (I sure am!).

The music contributed to the overall feel but as with the film above, the music needs to be credited. It sounds like it may have been an original composition written specifically for this entry, if so that is another reason it needs to be credited.

Overall a job very well done.

“Ben Cognito vs. The Curse Of The Curse” by Coffee Pot Films (OK…Who is this anyway? I knew once but seem to have forgotten)

The camera work, dolly moves, “film noir” lighting were all very well done. Acting was excellent and the “schtick” comedy played out just right. Only complaint I might have is I didn’t see your music credited.

Were I a judge on this one, “Ben Cognito” would be my first place pick.

Additional comments on music crediting: All contests that I know of have a rule against the use of any copyright protected content (music in particular) the film maker does not have permission to use. When you properly credit music that you have purchased the right to use, have permission, or have had a friend compose and perform for you, what you are doing is heading off any “challenges” to your use of that content. Some artists provide a statement that others may use their music in limited ways, there are “Creative Commons” liscense categories, and many supposed free use downloadable tracks. The “fine print” on each of these needs to be closely read and understood, many actually are not “free” for film festival or contest use.

I use purchased “royalty free” music mostly from www.smartsound.com and if you’ve seen any of my short subjects and read the end credits you see I credit SmartSound, then the album, track, and composer. I feel the composer deserves credit each time his work is used.

But I urge all of you to be sure you credit any music used in your work. You’ll be seen as exercising “professional” conduct and as respecting other artists.

Bruce Foreman

[HueyNRolf]

Hallows' Eve and the Pumpkin Dream

A charming production, but I didn't understand the story. Is it a dream or an out of body experience? This sort of thing works well as sequence within a movie or maybe music video, but doesn't stand alone as a short movie.

There's someone in my house

I get the concept of using the look and aspect ratio. Good job with the creepy score. But, when the boy records his little narrative I don't think he'd casually report that 'there's been some paranormal activity' he'd be more scared than that, no? Also the plot info needs to be in your movie, not in text on the Vimeo page. I never read those comments until I've seen the movie. Sometimes the movie doesn't make sense without them, which is plain wrong and, unfortunately that's the case here.

The Asylum

Good job with the camera work and edit. 'A short film about a medical student on a residential placement at a psychiatric hospital.' How is the viewer to know this?
I agree that the audio is rather noisy, what's that noise in the piano music? Is it on the recording?
After two viewings I still don't get the conclusion.

BEN COGNITO vs THE CASE OF THE CURSE

Apart from a few gremlins in the location sound, this is an outstanding production. I second the comments made so far on this. And 'WOW' you wrote a story! That right there sets this entry head and shoulders above the rest. I loved the last line 'Curse you Ben Cognito, curse you.' Very funny.

[Sunday Cracker]

I
Only complaint I might have is I didn’t see your music credited.
sorry about that. i have a ton of royalty free music i got from school, and i just need to go back through my files and credit the composer. I'm Ian, by the way (coffee pot films)



a few gremlins in the location sound

haha i assume you mean the crickets? yeah, if there is one thing you can count on, it's me forgetting to get ambient sound... wah wah

[HueyNRolf]

Ian, there were three little glitches in there (which I noticed). But, overall the sound was very good. If you like I can detail them?

[Sunday Cracker]

If you like I can detail them?
yeah man! IM me

[HueyNRolf]

yeah man! IM me

I'll PM you if you insist, but tackle out is the best. Others can learn. Don't worry, I didn't find anything terrible in there.

[AJUK]

Great work everyone, some really high quality entries there. I've ranked my feedback in descending order. For me the Coffee Pot entry was the best one, but ALL of the films were really strong and very well put together.

1. BEN COGNITO vs THE CASE OF THE CURSE
This one was easily the best in my opinion, a really tightly shot and edited piece, and I especially liked the use of shadows and the noir feel the Coffee Pot guys managed to capture. The set-up was nice and simple, but very strongly executed, and I'd love to see a longer version of this one!

2. Hallows' Eve and the Pumpkin Dream
I loved the whole look and feel for this one, it's a really excellent production, and really captures a timeless silent movie feel. Perhaps the screen blotches were ever so slightly overdone, but overall I loved it.

3. The Asylum
This one really looked like an asylum, so top marks for creative use of student hall of residence! I thought it was a little long, but the production values were top notch, and Adam got some great footage out of the camera. I'd have liked to see some tripod use, especially for the 'static' shots of signs and other scenic details, where the handheld camera worked against the creepy feeling, I'd have preffered a more Kubrickesque approach there, with totally static or slowly panning shots. Overall a solid job.

4. There's someone in my house
I liked the clever way Justin got around the fact that he was clearly working alone on this short, it's a smart move to utilise the 'found footage' style for this one. I thought the shots where he used a cinematic camera instead of the handycam viewpoint, kind of worked against it, so it might have been better to stick to a video camera viewpoint only.

[Vishus]

And the winner is...

BEN COGNITO vs THE CASE OF THE CURSE by Coffee Pot Films! (Sunday Cracker)

Thank you guys for your entries, I enjoyed each of them, and Ben Cognito is my choice for the winning video! Now for some feedback...

Ben Cognito: An almost flawless execution. It looked great, sounded great, a fun short story, and the acting was spot on. It would be awesome if you could post some notes on what you shoot with, some lighting techniques, whatever else you think would be helpful! Ben Cognito could easily become a series!

The Asylum: Nice feel to this one, as some of the others already mentioned, some of the shots lingered a little long. Story could have been developed a little more. A little awkward in the part where he gets back to his computer. The arrow looked like it was pointing at his name tag. The panning right, then a cut to the shot panning left felt off. Overall, I was intrigued, wanted to see more!

There's someone in my house: I enjoyed this one, and I have some tips that I think might help for next time. One of the biggest things that struck me is that if you are going to go with the "Found Footage" style, you have to stick with it. There are interesting shots, like the close-ups of putting the slippers on, or the washing the hands, but they betray this type of storytelling. You should stick with the fixed cameras that he has set-up. The timecode didn't help. Also, it wouldn't zoom in with the camera. In some shots it was larger than others. In the end, you created a short with a scary atmosphere, and while watching I was intrigued.

Hallows' Eve and the Pumpkin Dream: I really liked this one. You captured the dream feel perfectly. Loved the style of it, great job on the titles too. If you have a chance, it would be great if you could tell us about some of what you did with the composits and any other techniques you used. Really professional looking video, especially since you filmed with a little point and shoot!

So, Happy Halloween every one, hope you enjoyed the shorts people submitted to our contest, and thanks again to our entrants for taking the time to put something together to entertain us!

[Daniel Rutter]

Coffee Pot, and company... I suggest you rock on over to Antmans contest, and give us your creativity there! Go on, you know you want to! ;)

[Sunday Cracker]

Thanks guys!!! I've never won anything before, so this really means a lot! Done with the hv30 and a Panasonic hvx. The dolly was a diy setup. I invested in a full Arri light kit a while back (a 350, two 650s, and a 1K) and it really paid off! All of the actors bought their own costumes, which was really helpful because of all of the money I spent on props. Thanks again everybody!

[paperkut12]

Congrats Sunday Cracker. Very deserving.

[Steve_Karl]

Ben Cognito ! Very good!

[Playing]

Ben Cognito: "You, the dead dog guy? - I really gotta start writing this stuff down."

Instant classic.

[dougzy]

Well deserved win for Sunday Cracker. That was hilarious!

I was wondering if you guys could give me some more specific feedback on The Asylum, because I'm thinking of reshooting it and working a bit more on the story and I'll have proper equipment this time. We really made it with all we had available, a kind of spur of the moment thing and as a result the music was recorded directly onto the camera and it was the onboard mic so there was a lot of noise as well. Any tips on where I could improve? Also what shots did you think lingered too long?

[Bif]

Hi, Dougzy

These things get subjective but you've already identified some problem points, mostly related to equipment.

The "pacing" is not as "draggy" as it can get when you are trying to build suspense, but here is what I meant by the camera "lingering" a bit more than necessary.

The second hallway shot: 1/4 to 1/3 of the duration of that one could be cut and the viewer would still have time to "take in" the visual impression, then while he was still thinking about it you're on to the next thing you wanted to present. In this case the title.

I counted about 5 seconds, 3 would perhaps have done it, unless you had a reason for needing it on screen longer.

The room # sign, no admittance sign, and open book pages: Each of these might have been onscreen longer than necessary, the first two also showed some swaying of the camera (obviously handheld) and this would have been minimized some by not showing the shot so long. On the open book, while that shot was not as long as the others mentioned, holding it just long enough so the viewer could tell that it was a textbook of the type to be expected in that environment would have been sufficient since it was neither close enough nor sharp enough for any text to be readable (I got the impression just seeing it as a textbook was the object of that shot).

Once all those were out of the way, the pacing picked up and the only other thing I would comment on was the pan from the "sticky" note on the laptop monitor towards the right should have either completed to the partially open bathroom door (where the camera was located for the next shot) or instead of a pan a direct cut to the POV from the bathroom. As it was that pan looked "incomplete".

I hope that's enough to go on. By redoing it with our comments in mind you should see the difference in the finished products and I commend you for wanting to do this. It shows an open mind and a desire to learn. I hope I've been some help and perhaps some encouragement.

You had a good idea and the execution of it was not at all bad. It is often a real challenge to get something done and submitted under the time constraints even when the equipment works well and your "pledged" help shows up.

And don't forget to credit your music. Especially if I'm right in guessing someone composed and performed it for you.

Bruce Foreman

[dougzy]

Thanks for the feedback Bif. Which one do you mean by the second hallway shot? Any other suggestions?

Also I'm thinking of shooting in 25p to give it more of a cinematic look, or is it better to just shoot 50i? I might use my 35mm adaptor in a few of the shots, like the shot of the actor looking down the hallway.

[dougzy]

Also do you think the shot of the card worked at the start, or was it unnecessary?

[Bif]

Thanks for the feedback Bif. Which one do you mean by the second hallway shot? Any other suggestions?

The first showed lights coming on, if I remember, then a black screen (with a title?), followed by a shot of the hallway again this time fully lit.




Also I'm thinking of shooting in 25p to give it more of a cinematic look, or is it better to just shoot 50i? I might use my 35mm adaptor in a few of the shots, like the shot of the actor looking down the hallway.

The frame rate itself doesn't necessarily do that much for a "cinematic" look, some people "fixate" on frame rate as making a film "cinematic" (I'm going to draw some flak for that statement), lighting, composition, and camera movement do far more to contribute to that than frame rate.

25p or 50i (which your editor changes to 25fps) doesn't matter, vimeo changes everything to 30fps anyway, if I remember right.

As far as using a 35mm adapter I don't think that would help you that much. One, you lose too much light and in the settings you were in you had none extra to lose; second your spaces were too confined to get much benefit from trying for selective focus (shallow depth of field). Again the particular setting didn't seem like much opportunity for "rack" focus except for the hallway and nothing there called for such anyway.

So you don't want to "overcomplicate" things for yourself trying to use more "sophisticated" gear.

Hope this helps.

Bruce Foreman

[Bif]

Also do you think the shot of the card worked at the start, or was it unnecessary?

I think it worked. Helped set the scene and introduced an element of the story.