Antman's Short Film Contest #15 - Time / open genre

[HueyNRolf]

Guys there seemed to be a favorable response to me taking the helm, so ok I'll give it a go.... wish me luck!

Hello, I thought a good choice for the next theme would be "Time". It could be used in a number of different ways, and I hope people think it's a good theme. Can't wait to see what people do with it.

-paperkut12

There's a few small changes, but the contest is, pretty much, as before.

RULES
Reminder of the Rules:
1) Can't be longer than 5 minutes
2) Shouldn't be rated over PG-13
3) Video should be posted on vimeo official page ONLY. Videos for the current theme will not be available to view until the contest deadline > managed by Shigeta, creator of the official page.
4) The winner can enter the next competition.
5.) Usage of copyright/trademarks:
a) Usage of copyrighted objects, images or trademarks is permissible so long as they are not central to the plot of the short. Usage beyond this such as green screen backdrops, fake commercial of a real product, etc. requires release from the copyright/trademark holder.
b) Use of copyrighted music both in lyrics, score or performance, other than such that is recorded incidentally during normal filming, without a release will result in the video being disqualified.
6) Entries must be made specifically for the theme submitted to, within the 2 weeks deadline. All entries made before the announcement of the theme will be disqualified.

Judges (NEW POLICY)

Judges will be selected for each contest from volunteers who can undertake to post their notes and vote within 6 hours after the deadline.
In the event of a no show, I'll put out a new call for judges in the contest thread.
Calling now for judges!
<added>
The judges are:

drapeama
Shigeta
And
Maxwell

KingDucky is the reserve (in the event of a stalemate).

Hosting (NEW POLICY)
Join the Official Group here and add the video to it. To do this, upload the video and in the settings you can submit it to the group after you have joined.
I'VE CREATED A NEW GROUP ON VIMEO, BE SURE TO UPLOAD YOUR ENTRIES HERE:
http://www.vimeo.com/groups/63253

Deadline: Sorry, guys I've had to put it back two hours to fit in with my time.

DEADLINE IS September 27th at 5 P.M Pacific Standard Time (-8 GMT).

[drapeama]

Only one question, why the new group on vimeo? Just wondering...is the "antman contest" dying or something, and we're starting over new with this one?

[drapeama]

Changes done.
Anyone's planning to enter?

[Jergling]

I have a good, empty, long weekend right now. Don't count on my entry, but let's just say I don't plan on judging.

I think, as the thread starter, Huey has every right to make a new Vimeo group. He did kind of start the overhauling effort. I'm not sure the group is necessary, but I joined anyway.

Maybe we could make a new name for the contest, it could be a modern and sleek! We could call it "AntCon 15," and sell t-shirts!

[Timbit]

Still thinking of a plot. :) Time...

[paperkut12]

Still thinking of a plot. :) Time...

Ditto...Hmm

[HueyNRolf]

Oh it went up!
I guess that means it's a goer.
Judges please?

[drapeama]

Judges please?
Supposed to shoot something in the next week, but i can be a Judge as well, if nobody's against that.

[HueyNRolf]

Supposed to shoot something in the next week, but i can be a Judge as well, if nobody's against that.

Sure, if you're not submitting an entry, you can judge. Can you post your notes within 6 hours after the deadline?

[drapeama]

Sure, if you're not submitting an entry, you can judge.
Can you post your notes within 6 hours after the deadline?
I'll let you know if i shoot something.
Yeah, i can do it within 6hours. Finish workinga at 5pm that monday.

[HueyNRolf]

Thanks Drap.
More judges please?

[Daniel Rutter]

Only one question, why the new group on vimeo? Just wondering...is the "antman contest" dying or something, and we're starting over new with this one?
I'm curious about this as well... there was nothing wrong with the original group... Why the change?
It ceases to be "Antmans Film Fest" when you change the uploading group to "HnR's mini fest"... If you wanna start your own festival, do so... but don't rip off our beloved Antman's namesake...

[drapeama]

If you wanna start your own festival, do so...
I'd be interested in another contest, monthly this time. Users could enter both... [this belong to the general discussion]

[HueyNRolf]

I started a new group, so that I could approve the videos myself instead of having to rely on others. I gave it a new name to avoid confusion. If you read what it says there, you'll know that it's merely a place where the videos for Antman's contest are hosted.

[Daniel Rutter]

Couldn't you just ask Shigeta to give you the login details for the original group?

[Shigeta]

Huey has the original logins.

I as well can commit to judging.

[Maxwell]

Thanks Drap.
More judges please?

Me

[Bif]

Sure, if you're not submitting an entry, you can judge. Can you post your notes within 6 hours after the deadline?

The contest co-ordinators for the dvinfo.net challenges almost always submit an entry to participate in the spirit of things but declare theirs non-competitive. I believe we have allowed our judges to do the same for a couple of ours. It simply means the non-competitive entries are not eligible to be declared winners but may still be "commented" on.

After all the whole thing is about making films, right?

[Daniel Rutter]

After all the whole thing is about making films, right?
That's completely true Bif.

[1]

missing genre

[Playing]

Thanks to everybody for all the work. I can’t assist mainly because the 6 our window for me is between midnight and breakfast and I am on African Internet which means if there are 6 entries it would take me longer than that to download them all.

[HueyNRolf]

The contest co-ordinators for the dvinfo.net challenges almost always submit an entry to participate in the spirit of things but declare theirs non-competitive. I believe we have allowed our judges to do the same for a couple of ours. It simply means the non-competitive entries are not eligible to be declared winners but may still be "commented" on.

After all the whole thing is about making films, right?

That's all well and good when you have floods of entries. What happens when there are only two and one or both of them are non-competative?

It's much easier to find judges than it is to get entrants. I also don't get why someone would want to enter and be a judge.

[HueyNRolf]

missing genre

Mal, I don't why the last winner didn't specify a genre. My guess would be that by not specifying it means 'open' and that he thought the entrants would be smart enough to figure it for themselves.

[drapeama]

My guess would be that by not specifying it means 'open' and that he thought the entrants would be smart enough to figure it for themselves.

Changes done. It's "open genre" as figured out.

[HueyNRolf]

If you wanna start your own festival, do so... but don't rip off our beloved Antman's namesake...

There's no need for comments like that, Daniel.
Indeed I do have the loggin for the old group, but it didn't seem legit for me to start using it without permission. It's far quicker for me to start a new group (a few minutes) than to get in touch with the owner to get his sanction.

If it's a big deal and if it's ok with Shigs, then I can use the old group. I really don't care where the entries are hosted, as long as I have access and don't have to rely on someone else to do the approvals.

[HueyNRolf]

The judges are:

drapeama
Shigeta
And
Maxwell


I know Maxwell was 24 hours late last time. Maybe he didn't realize that he was on the judging panel? Anyway, I'm confident he'll rack up on time this time, right Maxwell?

[HueyNRolf]

Reserve judge please?

[Timbit]

Can a reserve judge enter the contests? If so, I'll let my name stand for that position.

[Shigeta]

I see no problems with this. Makes sense.

[KingDucky]

I'll be a reserve judge.

[HueyNRolf]

Can a reserve judge enter the contests?

No.


I see no problems with this. Makes sense.

Can you PM me the loggin please? It'll save me having to dig it out again.


I'll be a reserve judge.

Thanks, one of these days, there might be a stalemate for you.

[KingDucky]

Mmk. So I'm the Reserve?

[HueyNRolf]

Mmk. So I'm the Reserve?

The reserve is KingDucky.

[drapeama]

Hey Mal, could we promote Huey as a Short Moderator too? I think he's doing a good job at the moment, and it seems he's more available than me shig and daniel all together.

[Daniel Rutter]

I think a team of four is what we need. But, first off... Can we please designate jobs to each moderator?

[HueyNRolf]

Can we please designate jobs to each moderator?

What jobs are there to designate?

[Daniel Rutter]

What jobs are there to designate?
Who handles each new thread for each theme, who handles the Vimeo page, Who updates the Archive... and Who stands back as a backup when someone goes AFK?

[HueyNRolf]

Who handles each new thread for each theme, who handles the Vimeo page, Who updates the Archive... and Who stands back as a backup when someone goes AFK?

Appart from the archive, I've got all that covered. Who is doing the archive, wasn't that you, Daniel?

[Daniel Rutter]

Appart from the archive, I've got all that covered.
Well Huey, this isn't a one man contest...


Who is doing the archive, wasn't that you, Daniel?
It will be if Jergling wants my help, yes.

[HueyNRolf]

Daniel, I jumped in more than once because it needed doing. It's sad but true that I have too much time on my hands and, in a previous life, I used to manage a team of about 50 people for a living. I think I can handle this, thank you very much.

So Jergling is doing the archive? That's official?

[Daniel Rutter]

So Jergling is doing the archive? That's official?
Far as I know, no it's not. I guess he just had the time.


Daniel, I jumped in more than once because it needed doing. It's sad but true that I have too much time on my hands and, in a previous life, I used to manage a team of about 50 people for a living. I think I can handle this, thank you very much.
I'm not saying you can't do it, I'm saying you shouldn't. This contest should be run by a team... not an individual. Stop taking everything I say as negative ;)

[HueyNRolf]

I'm not saying you can't do it, I'm saying you shouldn't. This contest should be run by a team... not an individual

Really, why? It hasn't worked out so well to date, has it.
Besides it is a team, the organizer (me, for this one at least) the judges, the archive updater and Mal (ribbons, as long as someone remembers to tell him, I guess I can manage that too).


Stop taking everything I say as negative
Go back, read your own posts again and then tell me you can say that with a straight face.

Call for an archive manager please?

[Shigeta]

I would step down if I knew Huey was taking charge of it. I think Huey and Daniel can handle it. (No offense, Marc, at all) Daniel can handle the archive and Huey will get everything else. You guys just gotta get along..

[drapeama]

I think Huey and Daniel can handle it. (No offense, Marc, at all)

It's alright, anyway i'm not as available as they are so...

[Daniel Rutter]

You guys just gotta get along..
Absolutely no problem on my end, Huey just needs to handle me.

Huey, you're attempting to read tones out of text... which is a fail. Sorry, but it is. I'm being straight to the point, nothing else.
Being defensive of the contest I've seen grow is to be expected, right? I like it the way it is now...

And to be fair, the reason our "team" isn't working, is because we have nobody cracking the whip. We all thought Shig was the boss, but we haven't heard jack all from him. So, I propose that we build a team. Huey, I don't mind following your lead. You've put a lot into keeping the last few themes running, you've got my vote as head honcho. What I do hope you will do, is accept help when it's offered. I'm here to help, you tell me what you want done... and I'll do it. :)

[HueyNRolf]

Despite how it seems, at times, Daniel and I get along just fine. Just a few days ago I helped him with a workflow for his new sound recorder.

As for the Vimeo group, if you guys don't mind humoring an old fart, I'd like to use my group. I've changed the title, ten people have joined, I'll get email updates about 'important events' (whatever that means) and I don't have to ask anyone to change the URL in post #1.

http://www.vimeo.com/groups/63253

Daniel, will you work with me? Will you make sure the archive gets updated please?

Mal, will you give me moderator status please? That way I can start new contest threads on my own?

[Daniel Rutter]

Daniel, will you work with me?
See my last post ;)

BTW your link gives me an "access denied" message.

EDIT: Has anyone downloaded any/all of these clips from Vimeo? I'd like to get a few 'action' shots from each clip, for a small project I'm working on. Help please?

[HueyNRolf]

BTW your link gives me an "access denied" message.

Whoops, here you go:


http://www.vimeo.com/groups/63253

So Daniel, do you accept the job (Director of archive)?

[Daniel Rutter]

So Daniel, do you accept the job (Director of archive)?
If Jergling can share login details with me on the Archive Vimeo groups...

[HueyNRolf]

Can you sort it out please?

[HueyNRolf]

Would someone be good enough to upload a movie to the group. Just as a test, anything ok.

http://www.vimeo.com/groups/63253

[HueyNRolf]

Draps, I received an email notification that you'd uploaded a video to the group. Thank you. However it's still uploading, so I can't view it yet.

If your video is already uploaded to a vimeo account, it seems that it can be added to the group. Much quicker than uploading it twice.

The directions for uploading, at the start of each thread should reflect this.

[Daniel Rutter]

Just would like to put forth the earlier request:

If anyone has downloaded any of the previous entries to their hard drive, can you please contact me via PM, or email "action" snapshots of every entry to me? Thanks!

[Jergling]

Whoa! A lot happened since I checked-in last. I just got a PM from Daniel about the archive. I'd love to help, but you guys have me confused with Vishus. He owns both the "Antman's Archive" and "Antman's Winners" groups on Vimeo, so you'll have to find him to get the login credentials for those.

[Vishus]

Hey guys, I was out shooting my contribution for the TIME theme, just checking in now!

I can keep adding the videos to the archives if you'd like, or, if me being involved just adds another cog to the machine that you don't want, I can try and figure out how to hand the groups over without handing over my personal password. :)

Let me know which way you'd like to go.

Thanks!

[Playing]

Would someone be good enough to upload a movie to the group. Just as a test, anything ok.

http://www.vimeo.com/groups/63253

Done. Doesn’t show up, which I guess is correct.

[Daniel Rutter]

Hey Vishus, is there any way you can promote me with moderator status on your group?

[Vishus]

Hey Vishus, is there any way you can promote me with moderator status on your group?

I think I figured it out! You and HnR should be moderators now I believe.

[1]

Hey Mal, could we promote Huey

Done!

BTW, the "o" in "open genre" shouldn't be capitalized to keep identical formatting.

Also -although I've basically given up on this already- if you guys keep posting GENERAL comments into the current contest's thread,
it will be virtually impossible to find anything later on.
We do have a sticky thread for this:
Antman's Short Film Contest - GENERAL DISCUSSIONS (http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?36657-Antman-s-Short-Film-Contest-GENERAL-DISCUSSIONS)

All non-current-contest specific discussions should go there.

If this is too difficult for you guys, I still have a few spots left for my ever-so-popular:
"MAL's 14th Annual Bright and Cheerful Online Forum Organizational Seminar" for only
USD 1'300.00 per person (includes a chocolate croissant on the opening day).
You are welcome to sign up!!

Ouch.....burn, baby, burn...

[Vishus]

Back on track for this round of the contest...

I filmed yesterday and today. I think I might have bit off more than I can chew, but it should be a fun challenge, and I hope to get it done in time for the deadline next Sunday. I've involved several people this time, so I am hoping to not let them all down, since they all jumped in and gave up some of their weekends to help with my short! I had an "actor" bail on me an hour before shooting, so I had to jump in front of the camera as well for a bit!

Who else is getting in on this one? I think it's a great theme, and that there is so many interesting ways to take it. I hope a bunch of people get in on it, so we can see others' interpretation!

[HueyNRolf]

I think I figured it out! You and HnR should be moderators now I believe.

I couldn't figure it out according to Vimeo:

If you would like to share the responsibilities of moderating this group with other members, use the dropdown menu underneath each user to change their Group status to 'Make Mod'.

I'm darned if I can find this dropdown menu.

[drapeama]

BTW, the "o" in "open genre" shouldn't be capitalized to keep identical formatting.
Also -although I've basically given up on this already- if you guys keep posting GENERAL comments into the current contest's thread, it will be virtually impossible to find anything later on.
We do have a sticky thread for this:
Antman's Short Film Contest - GENERAL DISCUSSIONS (http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?36657-Antman-s-Short-Film-Contest-GENERAL-DISCUSSIONS).

1) Done
2) Would it be a good thing to move post in that thread? and keep only the posts related to the theme here? If so, i can do it later tonight.

[Timbit]

Who else is getting in on this one?
I've been thinking really hard for an idea, but may just end up with random organized footage that I took on Saturday with the theme in mind. Time is timing out for me! :) (Not to mention that I have a local fair this coming weekend that I can't miss as I'm going to be very involved in it! ;)) Will do my best though.

[Playing]

(Not to mention that I have a local fair this coming weekend that I can't miss as I'm going to be very involved in it! )
Seems to me you are under TIME pressure :)

[paperkut12]

Would like to have something made in time for this, but I think a couple of factors will stop me from doing one, including another project I'm working on...maybe If i do a really quick short..what to do what to do!

[Timbit]

Seems to me you are under TIME pressure :)

Heh-he! :) I came up with a little idea while at work in the orchard today (or was it during chores this morning?), and hopefully I can get something done. :p

[Playing]

I have a nice idea. Now to the problem of casting.

[Vishus]

Paperkut: you've made some good entries in the past, I hope you can make the time to get in on this one!

Timbit: You've got a streak going. Don't break it now!

Playing: Casting can be tricky. This past weekend, I was able to pull together a bunch of people last minute to my surprise. Looking forward to your submission!

[Playing]

Went recruiting around the neighborhood and there is great excitement. Now I better write a script.

[Timbit]

Timbit: You've got a streak going. Don't break it now!

I was thinking today (again, while in the orchard ;)), and have come up with a fairly simple plot. Just need the TIME to do it! :D

[Playing]

Been out shooting.
First time with actors and had lots of fun. Now all I need to do is rewrite the script to match what we actually did :)

[Vishus]

I have been editing all week, well, working on my effects. I have given myself a big task. I am getting quite worried that I will run out of time, but will do my best to be done on time!

Part of the fun of doing these is using them as learning projects. If I was to reshoot this, I would do a few things very differently to make things easier on myself!

[Daniel Rutter]

Our deadline is this weekend, yes?

[HueyNRolf]

Our deadline is this weekend, yes?


http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?38997-CURRENT-THEME-Antman-s-Short-Film-Contest-15-Time-open-genre&p=352665&viewfull=1#post352665

[Daniel Rutter]

*facepalm*
Thanks Huey.

[Sunday Cracker]

i tried to submit mine... it says PENDING. now i play the waiting game *stares at watch* (I'm Coffee Pot Films)

[HueyNRolf]

i tried to submit mine... it says PENDING. now i play the waiting game *stares at watch* (I'm Coffee Pot Films)

Thanks for your submission.

[Daniel Rutter]

Thanks for your submission.
Huey, I'm just going to throw this out there. Was this film made within the week and a bit our contest allows? If not, then technically, it's a disqualification.

[HueyNRolf]

Daniel, it was submitted to Youtube and Vimeo within the timeframe. There's no telling when it was made. If someone just happens to make a movie within the timeframe, which fits the contest theme, then I say allow it. It's not going to occur very often and we sure as hell could use more entries.

If anyone has a problem with this, let me know. Use a PM if you're more comfortable.

[Daniel Rutter]

Daniel, it was submitted to Youtube and Vimeo within the timeframe.
Thats good enough for me. But I still think we should be strict on the rules. We don't want just anyone submitting films they made in 2008 now, do we?

[HueyNRolf]

Thats good enough for me. But I still think we should be strict on the rules. We don't want just anyone submitting films they made in 2008 now, do we?

The issue isn't when it was made so much as how much time goes into it. It wouldn't be right to have something which had six weeks of work gone into it competing with entries which were made in just two weeks.

I can't think of a way to ensure that entries were made in the timeframe and I think too many rules might deter people from entering. So, unless anyone has some strong objections, I'll admit this one.

[Daniel Rutter]

So, unless anyone has some strong objections
NO objections. I was just curious if you knew the details about it.

[HueyNRolf]

Sunday Cracker posted this first:

i tried to submit mine... it says PENDING. now i play the waiting game *stares at watch* (I'm Coffee Pot Films)

Then about ten minutes later posts this to footage:
http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?39111-A-fumble-in-time

Then almost 30 minutes later he writes:

Originally Posted by Playing
Hi Sunday Cracker, why is this not an entry in: Antman's Short Film Contest #15 - Time / open genre?
Good question? Is there such a contest? Where/how do i sign up?

My take is that he did make this movie for the contest, but couldn't wait to show it. All legit, I'd say.
Is this right, Sunday Cracker?

[KingDucky]

No he posted it, then someone suggested he submit it to the contest.

[KingDucky]

Or maybe he made it loook like that......:hv20-smilie02::hv20-smilie02:

[Playing]

I saw it in the footage thread and realized that it fitted the theme perfectly. He did not know about the contest before I alerted him to it. I was also wondering if it had been made in the last 2 weeks but was not going to make an issue out of it. I thought he can read the rules himself.

[HueyNRolf]

He did not know about the contest before I alerted him to it.

So how did he submit an entry before you alerted him?

[Sunday Cracker]

Hey guys. Really sorry about all of the confusion. I filmed this from beginning to end on sunday. i then put it in the footage just to get outsider opinions on it. Someone then informed me about the contest (of which i DID NOT know existed), and i would love to be considered for it, but if this disqualifies me then i understand. no harm, no foul. :) thanks again.

-ian

(i hope this clears things up, and there are no hard feelings)

[Playing]

Hi Sunday Cracker, why is this not an entry in: Antman's Short Film Contest #15 - Time / open genre?

Good question? Is there such a contest? Where/how do i sign up?

Check the deadline ... it might be real close.
i tried to submit mine... it says PENDING. now i play the waiting game *stares at watch* (I'm Coffee Pot Films)

I filmed this from beginning to end on sunday.

Looks OK to me.

[HueyNRolf]

Hey guys. Really sorry about all of the confusion. I filmed this from beginning to end on sunday. i then put it in the footage just to get outsider opinions on it. Someone then informed me about the contest (of which i DID NOT know existed), and i would love to be considered for it, but if this disqualifies me then i understand. no harm, no foul. :) thanks again.

-ian

(i hope this clears things up, and there are no hard feelings)

Hello Ian, again thank you for your submission, welcome to the contest and good luck.
I don't want to make a big deal about this, but just to make sure I'm not more senile than I think I am. I still don't get how you submitted your entry, posted it to a footage thread ten minutes later and then claimed you hadn't heard of the contest some 40 minutes after your submission.

I hope I'm not losing it :hv20-smilie02:

[HueyNRolf]

Huge egg on face!
Turns out I am losing it. Just checked again and I was wrong about those times.
My sincerest apologies.

[Sunday Cracker]

Well, thanks again! It still says pending though. Is that normal? did you guys get the video?

[Playing]

It still says pending though.
Hi Ian, the video will not show up until the deadline, but I don’t think is should remain pending.
Your video is at your own Vimeo site, you don’t need to upload it twice. Just add it to the group from your own page. You need to have scripts enabled in your browser to see the options.

[Timbit]

It's looking like I may not make this contest... :( I'll try, but if there's a no-show from me...

[Playing]

I'll try, but if there's a no-show from me...
...we will never talk to you again.

[paperkut12]

...we will never talk to you again.

I guess that includes me too -.-.

I look forward to the entries.

[Playing]

OK, so we have Vishus and Sunday Cracker. Mine is uploading. I am busy making Timbit (and Paperkut) feel guilty . Anyone else?

[Timbit]

I am busy making Timbit (and Paperkut) feel guilty . Anyone else?
To make feel guilty? ;)

And I will do my hardest to get an entry. :) Even if you all fall asleep watching it! Mwahahahahahahaha!! :D

[HueyNRolf]

Playing, your movie shows as 'uploading' when I try to view it. Sunday Cracker, yours is good to go live at the deadline.

[Palmer S.]

You know, it'll be crap because of it's suddenness (I literally didn't even think about it till two seconds ago), but I might just try to throw something up. Granted, Sunday Cracker has already handed my ass to me on a silver platter, but hey! The more entries, the merrier right?

[paperkut12]

You know, it'll be crap because of it's suddenness (I literally didn't even think about it till two seconds ago), but I might just try to throw something up. Granted, Sunday Cracker has already handed my ass to me on a silver platter, but hey! The more entries, the merrier right?

Please do enter. The more the merrier my friend.

[HueyNRolf]

Playing, your video is uploaded now, good to go live.
So we have two, it would be nice to get some more.

[Bif]

Huey, I'm just going to throw this out there. Was this film made within the week and a bit our contest allows? If not, then technically, it's a disqualification.


Daniel, it was submitted to Youtube and Vimeo within the timeframe. There's no telling when it was made. If someone just happens to make a movie within the timeframe, which fits the contest theme, then I say allow it. It's not going to occur very often and we sure as hell could use more entries.

If anyone has a problem with this, let me know. Use a PM if you're more comfortable.

6) Entries must be made specifically for the theme submitted to, within the 2 weeks deadline. All entries made before the announcement of the theme will be disqualified.

Rule 6 requires two conditions be met: That the entry "be made SPECIFICALLY for the theme submitted to", AND that it be done "within the 2 weeks deadline".

I have no personal "axe" to grind here, not having an entry in this one and do not care particularly who is declared the winner, but since there has been some attempt to make this a viable contest that follows what are fairly common film challenge rules what is transpiring here affects the "integrity" of our contest.

"Fumble In Time" is without a doubt an extremely well done short film with a lot of imagination, some very well done acting, good camera work, and really has very little one can criticize. But because by it's author's own admission seems to have not be done specifically for this contest, it is ineligible. For the individual who seems to be the contest co-ordinator to say "allow it" is for him to undermine the integrity of all the rules.

I may seem a bit of a "hard nose" about this, but as one who has tried to help keep this contest venue going at a time when it looked to be failing, by my encouragement of our younger "film makers" when there was "harsh" criticism of their "creativity" (or apparent lack thereof), I hope it is fully understood I am not trying to "drive anyone off".

But if we are going to expect the rules prohibiting copyright infringement to be observed by all (which prohibition encourages {actually requires} originality) and the other rules as well to be followed, then rule #6 must be enforced. If bending this rule is allowed to stand then what rule will we allow to be "overlooked" next?

Again, I wish no ill will towards this film maker, I wish he had seen the announcement, and probably with the idea for "Fumble In Time" in mind had made it SPECIFICALLY in response to the theme announcement and then entered it. That way if judged as the winner it would be a VALID win.

Either we have firm rules and therefore have a real "film challenge" or we don't. We already give folks more of a break by allowing them to enter AFTER the theme is announced. The one I am signing up for currently requires the entrant to declare intent to compete BEFORE knowing what the theme will be.

I apologize for being so late with my comments. As stated before I am dealing with a family member fighting a very much life threatening cancer and don't get to follow this forum as much as I would like.

[Daniel Rutter]

Bif makes a point in the way I couldn't.

[Bif]

Suggestion: Sunday Cracker could be encouraged to declare his entry "non competitive" with the judges asked to render the same critique they would otherwise along with the critiques they do on the other entries.

And I urge this film maker to watch announcements and apply his most obvious talents and skills to more of these. I wish I could make the time to enter more of them.

[HueyNRolf]

I did invite objections and Bif's observations seem quite reasonable. Rules are rules and all that... however, one should temper the rules with some realities: If the contestant in question hadn't of posted his movie to footage first, we'd be none the wiser about him not making his movie specifically for the contest, so In general, I find that rule difficult, at best, to enforce. I'm also a bit concerned about the number of entries, which is low to say the least. I worry that people will get dissuaded form making a movie for fear of being disqualified by a bunch of old farts (no offense intended, Bif, I include myself as one too) on some technicality.

As you know, this is my first go as 'pack leader.' The reason I jumped in and grabbed the wheel, was to run the contest more smoothly, however I'd also like to see a lot more entries, so growth is an objective for me.

The contestant in question clearly has potential as a regular contributor, I'd like to see him given the benefit of the doubt and welcomed to the community in the hopes that he, and others, will join us.

Guys, as the self appointed pack leader, it's my call. Here's what I'm going to do:

Bif's proposition is:
Sunday Cracker's entry should not be allowed as legit entry, but admitted as a 'non competitive entry.'

So a round of ays and nays please.

Vote 'ay' if you agree with the proposition. Vote 'Nay' if you think Sunday Cracker's entry should be allowed as legit.

Bif's proposition counts as one vote on ays. I'll give it 24 hours, in the event of a tie I'll throw my vote in.

[Daniel Rutter]

Ay.

[HueyNRolf]

Daniel, you're a mod. Your AY doesn't count.

[Palmer S.]

I gotta vote nay; I 100% agree with you Bif, that rules have to be kept, but this one just doesn't seem fair. He made it within the timeline, even if he wasn't aware of the contest's existence, which we can't necessarily fault him for. Also, I'd hate for Huey to be right, in that we disqualify this entry and in the process leave a bad taste in the mouths of other potential entrants. :(

And if anyone cares, I'm shooting my entry tomorrow, so it is happening. The only problem is getting it edited and uploaded on TIME, but I'll do my best. Really looking forward to seeing your entry as well Tim; You've been on a roll as of late, hate to see that end because of TIME constraints!

Anyone see what I did there? :hv20-smilie84:

P.S. What are the chances that the winner of this competition gets one of those snazzy NEW ribbons that Vishus drew up? Then again, I'm pretty sure Timbit's still waiting on his ribbon from the last festival...

[Palmer S.]

Daniel, you're a mod. Your AY doesn't count.

To be fair to Daniel, you never really made that clear...

[Daniel Rutter]

To be fair to Daniel, you never really made that clear...
Precisely.

[HueyNRolf]

To be fair to Daniel, you never really made that clear...

I was just busting his chops.
That's two ays and one nay.

[Playing]

Nay.

Mainly because Sunday Cracker’s and my entry are two takes on the same theme and I am very happy to compete with him on this.

If there is a question mark it would be much more the fact that his entry has been posted on another thread before the deadline and that could “contaminate the jury pool”.
But then again by now we all know that the videos can be seen on the competitors own Vimeo page once they are uploaded. If this were a competition with big cash prices this would be a problem. But I don’t think anyone is able, or cares to, gain any advantage from this.

[HueyNRolf]

Two all.

[Palmer S.]

Two all.

...anybody else wanna vote?

[paperkut12]

I'd vote "ay", for a non-competitive entry. Although I do agree we need as many entries as possible and I enjoyed the short, I think it's a little unfair to the people who had to create an idea and all within the time line of the contest and not knowing how much work was put into an entry like that. Just my opinion.

I should say though, if the people entering feel fine with letting this one pass then It wouldn't be a problem with me, since they would be competing against it.

[Timbit]

It's a tough choice. We could give him (Sunday Cracker) an honourable mention (;)), but leave it at non-competitive because it wasn't SPECIFICALLY for the contest.

I guess I'll vote "Aye".

[Vishus]

DEADLINE IS September 27th at 5 P.M Pacific Standard Time (-8 GMT).

Sweet!

I've been busting my butt on this one, and was just coming in to say that I wasn't going to be done in time (miss by like an hour), but it looks like the deadline is tomorrow, so I'll have mine in after all!

[Palmer S.]

I've been busting my butt on this one, and was just coming in to say that I wasn't going to be done in time (miss by like an hour), but it looks like the deadline is tomorrow, so I'll have mine in after all!

That's fantastic to hear Vishus, but the deadline actually poses a problem for my entry. I shot about half of it, and was only needing to shoot the interview scene with a close family friend, who I'd written the main part for. Sadly though, I was too inept to tell him I was basing it on him and ask if he'd be willing to do it until after it was done, half was filmed, and I discovered he doesn't act. Ever apparently...

Note to self, and other aspiring filmmakers; make sure that before you cast your friends, your friends know you're casting them, and they're okay with it. I could always replace him, but there's no way I'd be able to find a suitable one in time. So it looks like I might be down and out...sorry everyone.


:hv20-smilie119::hv20-smilie119::hv20-smilie119::hv20-smilie119::hv20-smilie119:

I will try and finish the film eventually...unless maybe Playing wants to record some dialog for me? He's old, right? :hv20-smilie84: (Please don't take that seriously Playing, I think you're awesome)

[Sunday Cracker]

I think it's a little unfair to the people who had to create an idea and all within the time line of the contest and not knowing how much work was put into an entry like that. Just my opinion.


...this still seems like my entry is too much of a problem. I REALLY don't want to be the cause of a rift between the mods... Obviously there are people that do not want my entry to be accepted. Really, it's fine. I'm just going to withdraw my video from the contest. Good luck everybody!

[Palmer S.]

...this still seems like my entry is too much of a problem. I REALLY don't want to be the cause of a rift between the mods... Obviously there are people that do not want my entry to be accepted. Really, it's fine. I'm just going to withdraw my video from the contest. Good luck everybody!

Thanks for being so cool about it S.C., but please; enter next time. You're obviously very talented, and we'd love to see some more entries from you.

[HueyNRolf]

That's four ays and two nays, entry voluntarily withdrawn. So I guess that's that. If Vishus gets finished on time, we'll have a two-movie contest. If he doesn't there'll be no contest.

[Palmer S.]

If he doesn't there'll be no contest.

That's really depressing...and while I haven't seen the other entries, I thought I actually had a chance at winning this one. I'm still going to try and get it finished...it's just going to run SO ridiculously close if I can manage it. But that's only if.

[paperkut12]

That's unfortunate, but I guess there will be times where not as many people enter. We need to see some new people join in, but I don't know what else could be done to attract those. Next contest I will try my best to do something.

[Palmer S.]

Minor question/problem; I've already used my HD upload for the week on Vimeo (for a meaningless test video that I could re-upload at any time), so if I just delete it, would that free up my HD upload for the week, or am I just screwed?

[HueyNRolf]

Palmer, I don't think you can free up your limit by deleting stuff. Just upload it in non-HD. More than good enough for online viewing.

[Palmer S.]

Just upload it in non-HD.

If, by the end of the night I have ANYTHING to upload. I hope I will, but no promises like I said.

P.S. Thank you. :)

[Playing]

...unless maybe Playing wants to record some dialog for me?
Hi Palmer, I am happy to help, but do your really need my weird accent?

As for uploading HD it resets on Saturday, if you used your quota before then you are good.

[HueyNRolf]

There's two legit entries cued up, thanks Vishus, and Sunday Cracker's movie is still there. Presumably it'll go in as an NCE. The judges have been sent PM reminders, so hopefully they should all rack up on time. Looking forward!

[Lawrence189]

Oh I wish I could have entered this one.

[Vishus]

As HnR said above, my entry is in! I am again, really glad the day was today instead. Had I finished with an hour to spare or so, I still would have missed the deadline, since the upload took almost two hours! Anyway, it was fun to work on one of these again. I thought I had been more involved, but I hadn't made a video since contest #3! I am still hoping for some more entries on this great theme!

[AJUK]

Has there been any more discussion on extending the deadlines for these competitions? Two weeks is a really short time for those of us with full-time jobs and family commitments. QWe might get a lot more entries if there was more time to put a film together. Maybe a monthly competition instead of fortnightly?

[Daniel Rutter]

Maybe a monthly competition instead of fortnightly?
This has been asked many times, and the answer is always the same: 2 weeks is enough. The point of the contest is this: Put something together in the time alloted, showcasing (and building) your talent to prove you can deliver a film quickly.

[Lawrence189]

The only way I could see it working is if Antman's competition ran as it is, deadline every 2 weeks, and then another competition that's due every last day of the month.

[HueyNRolf]

Has there been any more discussion on extending the deadlines for these competitions? Two weeks is a really short time for those of us with full-time jobs and family commitments. QWe might get a lot more entries if there was more time to put a film together. Maybe a monthly competition instead of fortnightly?

Thanks for your input, I'm all ears for any suggestions which would help to attract more participation.
Please add your voice here:

http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?39145-What-do-you-think-the-timeframe-should-be

[HueyNRolf]

This has been asked many times, and the answer is always the same: 2 weeks is enough. The point of the contest is this: Put something together in the time alloted, showcasing (and building) your talent to prove you can deliver a film quickly.


Yeah, Daniel. That's the way we've always done it and what a non-event it's been up until now... Two entries are common. Seems to me it's time to consider making some changes, if this thing is going to grow up.

[Playing]

Moved

[HueyNRolf]

Here is a suggestion that could please everyone:

Tomorrow we announce 2 themes. One to end 2 weeks from now and one 4 weeks.

After the first 2 weeks every theme would run for 4 weeks overlapping with the previous one.
There would be no changes to the organization or judging. The only difference would be that themes are announced 4 weeks before the deadline. Those with lots of time can work on 2 themes at the same time and submit a contribution every 2 weeks. Others could take 4 weeks.


Maybe one day. Right now it would be nice to get one single contest running smoothly.

[Lawrence189]

Like I said in that other thread, we should have a scheduled list of all upcoming themes so we can properly plan scripts/ideas etc. We should use the calendar too as a way to checkup.

[Palmer S.]

I've (partially) rewritten my script so that I don't require another actor; it's now sort of a one-man-show (don't mean to steal your thunder Tim :)). I'll still have to find the time to film and make a furious edit, but I think I can do it. I'm determined to do it, so wish me luck.

[HueyNRolf]

Get going, Palmer. Deadline is in nine hours. Don't forget the Vimeo upload can take an hour at best. Best of luck!

[Timbit]

Uploading right now--or actually waiting for it to be processed. :)

[Playing]

Uploading right now--or actually waiting for it to be processed. :)

Good man.

[Timbit]

It's still waiting to be converted. :( At least it's there! :p

Edit:
Grrrrrr!!!!!!!! Vimeo Plus users! Please quit uploading for a while!!!!!!!!!!!! :( It's back at 1 and 3/4 hours!!!!!!!!!

[Palmer S.]

Get going, Palmer. Deadline is in nine hours. Don't forget the Vimeo upload can take an hour at best. Best of luck!

Really going to try my best, but I'm sort of stuck in a tight spot at the moment. If I can manage it, it'll be really close...

[Timbit]

Finally! It's uploaded!

[Palmer S.]

Sorry guys, too much going on, my entry isn't gonna happen. Unless you want to post-pone the deadline 'bout two hours for little old me. :hv20-smilie84: Yet something tells me you don't...which is cool. I'll have to enter the next one I suppose...which sucks, cause I really thought I had a chance this time...:hv20-smilie119:

[Jergling]

I just thought, "Hey, I wonder how the contest is going," so I checked the Vimeo group, and all of the videos had been uploaded 2 minutes ago. Hooray!

[HueyNRolf]

Yeah, I've just approved them and was going to announce it in 15 minutes.
So we're underway.
There are three legit entries and one NCE (Coffee Pot Films).
Notes on all four and a vote for one of the legit entries from the judges please, at your earliest.

http://vimeo.com/groups/63253

[Vishus]

We just watched through the entries.

Tim! You were faking us out, you did get a video in to keep the streak alive!

Playing, I thought you were doing some amazing cloning, then I realized they were twins! Had me going for a bit there!

Coffee Pot, I look forward to more from you, I was entertained!

[drapeama]

Coffee Pot Films' A FUMBLE IN TIME:
As it's a NCE, i'll say that it was very well done, the concept was simple but the acting was pretty good! Not much work in post but it was fun to watch!
Thanks for your participation and hope you'll get in another contest soon!

Timbit's FALL TIME:
At least you've done something to keep the contest alive and it deserve respect for your participation.
+ : The idea was simple but basically it was ok.
- : You should had paid more attention on "souvenirs" or "memories" related to the "fall times", this way it could have work a bit better. No or little post work like color correction.
Thanks for your participation!

Playing's The Time Machine:
+ : As usual, you act in your shorts and i enjoy that, especially your accent makes them unique and cool. The editing was good too.
- : The idea was basic, and the fact that merry-go-round was a bit too simplist for me. No or little post work like color correction.
Thanks for your entry Kurt!

Vishus' TimeCo Industries:
+ : As always, you've done a great job on the editing, effects and the acting was relatively good.
- : The pills thing didn't worked very well with me...i was looking for something more. Maybe if they had their powers already by surgery or DNA modification...something like that.
Your short is a freat and well done one, so my vote goes to yours!

My Choice : Vishus' TimeCo Industries.

[HueyNRolf]

Thanks Draps. A nice writeup and very prompt!

[KingDucky]

Well I hope there's no tie. Cant reply with a review until like 9 hours. Till then bye peeps, nice entries, good job.:hv20-smilie77::hv20-smilie77:

[HueyNRolf]

Thanks for letting us know, KD.
I can work around it if necessary.

[Maxwell]

Sorry, i assume its to late to Vote?

[HueyNRolf]

Sorry, i assume its to late to Vote?

<--- Slaps forehead.

No, Maxwell. There's still time. Get your notes and vote posted please.

[Maxwell]

<--- Slaps forehead.

No, Maxwell. There's still time. Get your notes and vote posted please.

LOL. Sorry man ive been Lost in Translation. Or something like that. Aka school and etc.

[HueyNRolf]

LOL. Sorry man ive been Lost in Translation. Or something like that. Aka school and etc.

No problem, as soon as you can please?

[Shigeta]

NOTES:

Fumble in time:
-Nice acting, simple but funny concept.
-Nice editing, but could have used some better sound and color grading
-Fun to watch, easy on my mind! :)

Vote would go to you if it wasn't a NCE, thanks for submitting!

Fall Time:
-Simple story, great angles, and soundtrack was bearable
-Could have used some CC, more exciting shots besides eating and walking
Great little relaxing short Timbit!

The Time Machine:
-Angles were decent and standard color/ sound wasn't terrible, but could use some work
-Simple story, but could barely understand the actors. No CC and sounds like an onboard mic and the scenes tended to go on too long, quickly loosing my attention
Thanks for participating man, keep it up and with a bit of work, you can make an A+ short

Time CoIndustries:.:Judges Choice:.
-Good plot line, but seemed to drag on a little bit too long in some scenes
-Great sound, good effects, and pretty solid editing
As usual, a solid work. You got a good crew together

[HueyNRolf]

Thanks Shigs, the winner is Vishus, congrats!

Maxwell, I'd still like you to post your comments. People might like to know if the decision is unanimous or a 2-1 majority. Also, the participants are expecting feedback from all three judges. As soon as you can please?

[Playing]

Vishus your entry was brilliant.

I started off with a similar concept, but had no idea how I would walk around a street full of stopped traffic. Please let us know how you did it. The retro look was great.

Timbit: Nice little last minute entry but not enough of a story to grip me.

I thoroughly enjoyed “A Fumble In Time”.

Thanks to everybody for the feedback. Frankly I expected to be hammered a lot more. I was not very impressed with my entry, but it was my first time working with “actors”. I had planned for the dad of the twins to be in it, but he turned out to be camera shy. Acting, directing, exposure, white balance and sound proved a bit too much to think of at the same time. I had this great idea to hide a recorder in the sling. Perfect ... if I had set the levels right.

Now I know why they use crews.

[drapeama]

Now I know why they use crews.

You did an excellent work Kurt!

[Palmer S.]

I agree with the decision made; your entry was truly phenomenal Vishus. Fantastic work. :)

[Playing]

Thanks Drapes.

[HueyNRolf]

Vishus, can I have your theme for the next contest please?

[Palmer S.]

...can I have your theme for the next contest please?

Yes, and make it snappy! I plan to get a head start on this one...:hv20-smilie87:

[Lawrence189]

Great work and respect to all who entered. I'm not a judge, but here's my thoughts, and I'm not getting into technicals.

Fumble in Time:
My favorite one of them all. Very entertaining little short, it had the perfect punch of comedy. Very well made.
My favorite parts: The dialog and acting. Nice story too, I also enjoyed the directing and camera movements.
My least favorite parts: None, I liked it all.
Suggestions: I hope you have a youtube account or something for these videos.

Time CoIndustries
I enjoyed this, you took a very used up idea and made it very creatively entertaining. [That's a positive note].
My favorite parts: It had a very smooth pace, good camera work, and solid editing. It was decently humorous also. Nice soundtrack. Very well made.
My least favorite parts: The story's played out [generic story] which effects the whole experience.
Suggestions: Maybe cut out the doughnut scene. The same point was made 3 times and the first one was the least funniest. Great video though, it was entertaining.

Fall Time
Didn't get much outta this, but it was still worth a watch.
My favorite part: The intro had a very nice feel, the angles of the first 2 shots where great. I enjoyed the scene with you and the cat, very warm scene. Nice choice of music also.
My least favorite part: Not much of a story obviously but not much of anything else happening either. The scene where your throwing the ball and batting where too fake and threw the film off. Although you rushed it, the baseball scenes could have been better shot and acted out.
Suggestions: I'd just like to see more of a story, and if it doesn't have much of a story then it should be more enthusiastic [regarding the baseball parts]. Overall it was a cool feel, definetley felt like fall. You have very cool scenery, only a matter of time before something great is made out of it.

the Time Machine
It was cute, but not entertaining.
My favorite parts: Good location, and decent camera framing.
My least favorite parts: The directing is what made this idea not flow properly. The kid having a cast after he breaks his arm was just weird. The editing timing and cuts where not good, the story and scenes dragged.
Suggestions: The story is: Kid breaks his arm, his uncle shows him a time machine and the kid goes back in time to stop himself from breaking his arm, he meets himself and he and his past form hangout and play, the kid goes back to the future. It's a basic little story but it needs to be told better, the dialog needs to be more informal and clear, and the scenes need to be cut down in better timing. Nice try though, I believe you have potential to make a great film.

Sorry if I sounded harsh guys, but it's just my flat out honest opinion on the videos. Again, respect to everyone who entered, I almost don't think I should be judging anything seeing as I haven't entered since 3 competitions ago, so again good work.

My overall vote: Fumble in Time

[Playing]

Hi Lawrence, thanks for your feedback, this is the purpose of this contest.
I agree with everything you say - and I am not normally the agreeing type :)

[Vishus]

Yes, and make it snappy! I plan to get a head start on this one...:hv20-smilie87:

It has been sent over! Get your thinking cap on! :)

[Playing]

So what is there to be learned from the feedback of the last few contests?

Technical proficiency is important (Hollywood is very good at that), but what makes a movie in the end, is the story, the writing.
This is where we have an opportunity, without a multi-million $ budged, to do something of value.

What do you think?

[KingDucky]

^^Like^^

[Vishus]

I think "content is king" holds true here as it does with a lot of things in entertainment. I always try and entertain, or at least invoke an emotional response in my short films. I guess this time around I told less of a story, but still tried for at least a small chuckle. If I was judging, I'd go for a great story with lower production value than a great looking but less interesting short.

I think the biggest opportunity we have here is to get our work seen and commented on. To get feedback and to try and better our craft for next time!

Thank you to the judges and the others that took the time to leave feedback. It is appreciated!

Edit: It looks like the new contest thread has been created already, and the archive has already been updated! On to the next one!

[Playing]

Time to sort out the ribbons.

Tim has been very patient waiting for his. Vishus can you get us your nice 3 stars?

[Vishus]

Time to sort out the ribbons.

Tim has been very patient waiting for his. Vishus can you get us your nice 3 stars?

Not sure how that works. Do you guys know which admin/mod I should send a PM to?

[Playing]

Not sure how that works. Do you guys know which admin/mod I should send a PM to?

You will probably have to "Twist" Mal's arm.

[KingDucky]

You will probably have to "Twist" Mal's arm.

http://knowyourmeme.com/i/000/051/726/original/17-i-lol.jpg?1275228554

[Timbit]

Thanks for the critique guys. :) It could have been better explained, as I was going to do a voiceover. The only problem was the short was shot at 6 o'clock Sunday night, edited Sunday night/Monday morning, and my attempts at voiceover kept failing so I gave up.

If the dialog had been there, you would have heard to the effect of, "It's fall now, so a hot cup of tea (I hate coffee :p) hit's the spot on those cool fall days. With the days getting shorter, your activities don't have too. You can play catch (and have your four-legged cheerleader cheer you on), baseball, and even golf without having to take the time to get the appropriate equipment (the balls). My only warning for this time is to not drink and drive--or your ride may look like this!"

That was the summary, and it should have been there to help explain, rather than leaving the audience to their own conclusions. :) My fault.


Good work everyone! Congratulations, Vishus!


And in regards to the ribbons, either Mal or Lunchbox can do them--they just need a list of the winners who need one.

[paperkut12]

Nice work everyone and congrats on completing and contributing.

[drapeama]

Time to sort out the ribbons. Vishus can you get us your nice 3 stars?
I think it's time to replace the actual ribbons by those Vishus proposed a while ago.
As i remmember, Mal and Lunchbox only can do it, feel free to PM one or the other to have this done as soon as possible.

[Sunday Cracker]

Suggestions: I hope you have a youtube account or something for these videos.

I do! youtube.com/coffeepotfilms
please do subscribe!