Antman's Short Film Contest #9 - Nostalgia / open genre

[Shigeta]

I've discussed it with my associates and we feel that the theme for the ninth biweekly Antman's Short Film contest should be Nostalgia. Once again we propose this be an open genre contest.

Good luck and Godspeed.

-Dr. T


Judges:
~HueyNRolf
~Ratfink
~CornReaper
The backup judge, in the event of a stalemate is KingDucky


RULES
Reminder of the Rules:
1) Can't be longer than 5 minutes
2) Shouldn't be rated over PG-13
3) Video should be posted on vimeo official page ONLY. Videos for the current theme will not be available to view until the contest deadline > managed by Shigeta, creator of the official page.
4) The winner can enter the next competition.
5.) Usage of copyright/trademarks:
a) Usage of copyrighted objects, images or trademarks is permissible so long as they are not central to the plot of the short. Usage beyond this such as green screen backdrops, fake commercial of a real product, etc. requires release from the copyright/trademark holder.
b) Use of copyrighted music both in lyrics, score or performance, other than such that is recorded incidentally during normal filming, without a release will result in the video being disqualified.


Join the Official Group here (http://www.vimeo.com/groups/hdshorts) and add the video to it. To do this, upload the video and in the settings you can submit it to the group after you have joined.


DEADLINE IS JULY 4th at 3 P.M Pacific Standard Time (-8 GMT)

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Eventually, the first post needs the RULES, the UPLOAD, VOTING & VIEWING INSTRUCTIONS, and the DEADLINE.

[Timbit]

What is the definition of Nostalgia? I have my idea of what it may be, but the dictionary is gone from my sight... :hv20-smilie84:

[Ratfink]

What is the definition of Nostalgia? I have my idea of what it may be, but the dictionary is gone from my sight... :hv20-smilie84:

From http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nostalgia:

Main Entry: nos·tal·gia
Pronunciation: \nä-ˈstal-jə, nə- also nȯ-, nō-; nə-ˈstäl-\
Function: noun
Etymology: New Latin, from Greek nostos return home + New Latin -algia; akin to Greek neisthai to return, Old English genesan to survive, Sanskrit nasate he approaches
Date: 1729

1 : the state of being homesick : homesickness
2 : a wistful or excessively sentimental yearning for return to or of some past period or irrecoverable condition; also : something that evokes nostalgia

[Shigeta]

Being nostalgic, for example, would be keeping an item to remember the past.

Iron man:

Virginia 'Pepper' Potts: [about Stark's old arc reactor] What do you want me to do with this?
Tony Stark: That? Destroy it. Incinerate it.
Virginia 'Pepper' Potts: You don't want to keep it?
Tony Stark: Pepper, I've been called many things. Nostalgic is not one of them.

[Ratfink]

5) a) Use of copyrighted material/songs : as long as it's not the center point/plot of the story, it's allowed. Otherwise user will be disqualified. Example : the coca-cola can/SONY tv . somewhere in the movie isn't considered as a copyrighted infringement.
b) “Use of copyrighted music both in lyrics, score or performance, other than such that is recorded incidentally during normal filming, without a release will result in the video being disqualified. “

This still sounds kind of awkward to me... How about this:

5.) Usage of copyright/trademarks:
a) Usage of copyrighted objects, images or trademarks is permissible so long as they are not central to the plot of the short. Usage beyond this such as green screen backdrops, fake commercial of a real product, etc. requires release from the copyright/trademark holder.
b) Use of copyrighted music both in lyrics, score or performance, other than such that is recorded incidentally during normal filming, without a release will result in the video being disqualified.

[Playing]

Great theme.

[Dr. T]

Hmmm, the deadline is July 4th. Is that going to conflict with any of the judges' holiday plans?

EDIT: Oh and thanks Playing it was my producer's idea.

EDIT #2: Final edit I swear. Can someone please update the film archive whenever they get a chance?

[HueyNRolf]

I'm good with July 4th. Maybe someone should check with cornreaper and KD?

Lets hope we get a few more entries this time. Good luck everyone, I'm looking forward.

[Lawrence189]

I'll try my best to get in this one.

[paperkut12]

Interesting choice, I like it. Now for me to go think of a good idea, that's always the hard part (for me at least).

[Fade to inferno]

YES! this is definately something i can work with. I will absolutely be entering this one. Even if it means my life =)

[Ratfink]

Hmmm, the deadline is July 4th. Is that going to conflict with any of the judges' holiday plans?

I'll be here just can't guarantee I will be sober. :p

[Timbit]

I love history's stories, so I'm working on an idea... :hv20-smilie84: I'm really hoping to enter this one!!!!!!! :hv20-smilie77:

[Ratfink]

I love history's stories, so I'm working on an idea... :hv20-smilie84: I'm really hoping to enter this one!!!!!!! :hv20-smilie77:

Hope you do. Look forward to seeing what you offer.

[Dr. T]

Alright so that's two judge confirmations. I think we really need to establish contact with CornReaper considering he didn't even weigh in on the last contest.

[Shigeta]

Well he didn't need to, wasn't RF DQ'd?

Also, archive is updated

[KingDucky]

and KD

I'm there.:hv20-smilie77:
As a backup judge can I enter this one?

*IF A STALEMATE OCCURS I WILL CHOOSE MY ENTRY.*

J/k:hv20-smilie84:

[Daniel Rutter]

Very interesting theme. No promises, but if I get any ideas, I'll see what I can do about entering.
Currently, I'm dangerously low on tapes... so I'll need to purchase more before I can do anything...

[priom]

Nostalgia...i wouldn't mind entering the antmans, hopefully i can find an idea to write about and shoot.

Can nostalgia be considered as something like an object compels the main character to reminisce about something?

[HueyNRolf]

Can nostalgia be considered as something like an object compels the main character to reminisce about something?

Of course, it could be that, or a many other things. Please have a go.

[priom]

awesome thanks for the clarification

[Timbit]

Hope you do. Look forward to seeing what you offer.

Well, it won't be in fancy HD, but my sister has given me some (though crazy) ideas as well, so we'll see... :hv20-smilie45:

[Vishus]

Bring on the sepia tones and the soft focus!
:hv20-smilie81:

[Pshaw!]

I should get my Kiwi35 in time for this, which is great because whenever I get nostalgic, I imagine things with a shallow depth of field.

[HueyNRolf]

Go easy with that thing, Pshaw!

[Timbit]

Does Vegas have a slow motion...uh...I want to say filter, but that's not the right word... :hv20-smilie03:

[Pshaw!]

Go easy with that thing, Pshaw!

Go easy? Hah.

HAH!

[Pshaw!]

Does Vegas have a slow motion...uh...I want to say filter, but that's not the right word... :hv20-smilie03:

In Vegas: hold control down while stretching out a clip in the timeline. Or right click and do stuff with the properties.

[KingDucky]

Hey guys can I enter even though I'm a stalemate judge?:hv20-smilie02:

[Vishus]

Hey guys can I enter even though I'm a stalemate judge?:hv20-smilie02:

Go for it! In the unlikely chance that they end up needing you to judge, I can take your spot for this one. Chances are though, they'll all weigh in!

Looking forward to seeing what you come up with!

[Daniel Rutter]

I highly doubt I have anything for this one, but I have a really cool idea that isn't theme related that I will shoot simply to satisfy a curiosity in me.

You could consider my *late and non competitive entry* into the Cops theme... though it won't be comedy.

[Ratfink]

Hey guys can I enter even though I'm a stalemate judge?:hv20-smilie02:

If you want compete and avoid a mess should a stalemate arise it would make things a lot easier for yourself if you find someone to take your place in judging for an event you plan on entering.

[Dr. T]

Shigeta, can we go ahead and make Vishus the new official backup judge?

[Shigeta]

If both parties are at an agreement.

[Vishus]

If both parties are at an agreement.

I'm in if need be!

[Timbit]

I think "Royalty" (King Ducky :hv20-smilie03:) should be allowed. In the event that there is a stalemate, either his entry is disqualified or (I like this one better) he has to judge the ones that are already chosen. If one of the three choices is his, he has to be honest with his choice and that it is truly the best. That's just my little take... :hv20-smilie03:

I just got my script finished last night, and now I'm on the hunt for an actress... :( Tough job, especially when you've never been an outgoing guy to start with! :hv20-smilie81:

[Timbit]

I just got my script finished last night, and now I'm on the hunt for an actress... :( Tough job, especially when you've never been an outgoing guy to start with! :hv20-smilie81:

Oh, yay! :hv20-smilie45: My sister volunteered if I change one part! Now I just need a beard...:hv20-smilie03:

[Daniel Rutter]

Now I just need a beard...
Shave the cat ;)

[Timbit]

Shave the cat ;)

What cat? :hv20-smilie84:


Hmm...I'd look pretty interesting in a black-and-white-and-red beard... :hv20-smilie81:

[priom]

my exams finish tomorrow! hopefully after that i can try and get some stuff done

[Daniel Rutter]

What cat?
Surely someone in your street owns a cat.

"Here kitty kitty..."

[Timbit]

Surely someone in your street owns a cat.

"Here kitty kitty..."

Street??? I live out in the country, and our closest full-time neighbours live at the other end of the road! Just the city slickers close by... :hv20-smilie03:

Of course...I have seen two or three stray cats around lately...just catching them might be the problem...:hv20-smilie79:

[Shigeta]

he has to judge the ones that are already chosen.



That is already the case.

[Timbit]

That is already the case.

Right! I had forgotten that part when I posted ... Sorry! :hv20-smilie15:

My fault! :hv20-smilie03:


Mod Note:

No worries man!

-shig

[Fade to inferno]

Hey you guys, I've been a little worried i'll get DQ's for some kind of copy right infringement or any other Rules that I may not completely understand.

So my music is limited, i was wondering if there were any sites available to use for film score that are public domain.


Secondly, Today i did some shooting and in the scene the main character is reading a book, the books have drawing/photographs that are very visible. Is this at all breaking any rules?

[Timbit]

So my music is limited, i was wondering if there were any sites available to use for film score that are public domain.

Not that I know of... I just downloaded and installed Mixcraft 5 (It's Window's equivalent to GarageBand for iLife).

Anyway! Once you buy it (there's a fourteen-day free trial), you can download loops and then tweak them to make them original.

Just something to look into... :hv20-smilie03:

[Timbit]

Secondly, Today i did some shooting and in the scene the main character is reading a book, the books have drawing/photographs that are very visible. Is this at all breaking any rules?

As long as it is not intentional and not really noticeable, you should be fine (Read the rules).

[Ratfink]

So my music is limited, i was wondering if there were any sites available to use for film score that are public domain.

Public domain would work but any music with a permissive license is perfectly fine.

There are some sites listed on the creative commons site that have licenses that allow you to use their music for video.
http://creativecommons.org/legalmusicforvideos

[Timbit]

Got my fake beard today, Daniel!

No cats were harmed in the process... :hv20-smilie81:

[Vishus]

Hey you guys, I've been a little worried i'll get DQ's for some kind of copy right infringement or any other Rules that I may not completely understand.

So my music is limited, i was wondering if there were any sites available to use for film score that are public domain.


http://incompetech.com/m/c/royalty-free/

Royalty-free, and hopefully something in there will do the trick for you.

[Dr. T]

My crew and I are gearing up to start shooting our entry this Sunday. Anybody actually start shooting yet?

[Bif]

Hey you guys, I've been a little worried i'll get DQ's for some kind of copy right infringement or any other Rules that I may not completely understand.


Copyright infringement is generally obvious. The infringer is using someone elses intellectual property without permission or release. Where you get into trouble is where you start trying to make a "special case" out of a usage so that you can rationalize that it's OK to use it.



So my music is limited, i was wondering if there were any sites available to use for film score that are public domain.


You have to read the terms of usage on each "royalty free" music site. There are big differences and some allow free usage but not for contests (freeplaymusic.com I believe is one).

Creative Commons on the surface appears to be free usage but each author can impose special conditions. One of the easiest to comprehend and stay safe is www.incompetech.com where Kevin MacLeod allows totally free use of his music provided you "attribute" (credit him in titles or end titles) his music. If you cannot for any reason there are quite reasonable fees per track you must pay. He also accepts donations even if you can credit him and if I wind up using something of his I will donate and credit him prominently too.

music2hues.com has reasonable priced tracks but the very best going in my opinion is SmartSound (www.smartsound.com). You can now purchase single tracks for $29.95 or less and you get a free download of SonicFire Pro with any purchase. SFP "composes" the music to any length you specify and each track you purchase comes with a few extra variations.




Secondly, Today i did some shooting and in the scene the main character is reading a book, the books have drawing/photographs that are very visible. Is this at all breaking any rules?

If it's "incidental" and the artwork in the book is not used prominently there is no violation. However if you also use the artwork as a background for titles or the artwork is otherwise featured prominently there is a problem (You could always have a talented friend do artwork for you with a similar "feel" but not an obvious copy). But merely letting the book with the artwork show then maybe he closes the book or you change camera angle so it's not shown further, the usage is "incidental". Just like a guy picking up a bottle of Coca Cola and chugging some down, or someone driving past in a Ford pickup.

VideoMaker magazine has a column on "What's Legal" that has been discussing these issues.

The one individual in the last contest HAD to be DQ'd. His use of a commercial recording of a classical music piece was an obvious infringement of copyright and also could have exposed the hosting site to legal liability.

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Copyright infringement is generally obvious.

EXACTLY!!!

This is all getting a bit hoha!
99.9% of the time, the person infringing on copyright KNOWS that they're doing it.

There's no one on this forum that has the time to go through every detail of copyright, and have each contest take one week longer because it has to be evaluated for infringement with a fine toothpick.

JUST DON'T USE COPYRIGHTED MATERIAL.

Hoha!

[Fade to inferno]

Thank you everyone for their input. I do have better clarification and think i just avoided a big mistake. So i did start shooting today and hopefully will have free time later this week to finish up. I'm really trying to get on the ball and it feels good! =D

[HueyNRolf]

Thank you everyone for their input. I do have better clarification and think i just avoided a big mistake. So i did start shooting today and hopefully will have free time later this week to finish up. I'm really trying to get on the ball and it feels good! =D

Well you did the right thing by asking. I feel badly for Royer Films, but if he'd have asked, he could've avoided disappointment.


Good luck with your entry, looking forward to reviewing it.

[Timbit]

My crew and I are gearing up to start shooting our entry this Sunday. Anybody actually start shooting yet?

I haven't, but am hoping to start either today or next week.

[Bif]

EXACTLY!!!

This is all getting a bit hoha!


There's no one on this forum that has the time to go through every detail of copyright,


We don't see hardly any of this on other site's contest venues, but I think the reason for that is that here we have a lot of young people wanting to participate. They just haven't been exposed to the issues involved that much.

Personally I think it's great they're here, great that they want to participate, and this may be their best opportunity to learn and get some experience. That's why I try to encourage them and sometimes try to patiently explain the issues.

[Royer Films]

Hoping I can get in on this one! My crew is out of town for the week so if anything I'll have to do it by myself. But we have all of the next week open once they get back so we should have something for the next one for sure!

[Lawrence189]

Dedicating my life to entering this next one!

[Royer Films]

Is it okay to use some public domain shots in my film or does every shot have to be done originally for the contest?

[Daniel Rutter]

I used some public domain stuff a few entries back... I made sure it was known, and I wasn't disqualified for it.

[Royer Films]

Okay sweet. I don't know if I'll use the shots on a TV screen in the film or use the clips directly in the film, but I wanted to make sure that was okay before.

Also, for those of you interested in some good royalty free music, a new site just launched called friendlymusic.com (http://www.friendlymusic.com/#nav=Lw%3D%3D), and it allows you to buy a license for $1.99 to put the music in your video for either Vimeo or YouTube or other hosting sites. As long as the video isn't commercial, you're covered. And the music they have is pretty high-quality too.

[Fade to inferno]

Anyone else having shooting problems? *sigh* scheduling my time and my actors is a pain. I'm only going to have one day to do editing. I really wanna be in this one!

[Dr. T]

Anyone else having shooting problems? *sigh* scheduling my time and my actors is a pain. I'm only going to have one day to do editing. I really wanna be in this one!
Unfortunately, we are. Supposed to start on Sunday. Actors couldn't make it. Forecast was rain on Monday (our whole script is set outside). Ready to start today. Actor pulled out last minute.

I'll consider it a miracle if I get something in on time.

[Timbit]

I'm having problems with the lighting and setting up of one of the scenes... :hv20-smilie119:

@ Dr. T

The rain can sometimes add to the movie--like if the actor is sad, the overcast skies and rain can add feeling.

[Dr. T]

@ Dr. T

The rain can sometimes add to the movie--like if the actor is sad, the overcast skies and rain can add feeling.

The rain can also take away from the movie--like if the camera gets wet, the movie ceases to exist.

[Timbit]

The rain can also take away from the movie--like if the camera gets wet, the movie ceases to exist.

Rrrright! :hv20-smilie15:

[Timbit]

Who all is entering this one???

[cornreaper]

Just letting y'all know that I'm not going to be around for voting. I shall be away all weekend celebrating the 143rd anniversary of the birth of my wonderful nation.....now with 5% more tax and 27% less civil liberties....

:hv20-smilie135: :hv20-smilie98:

[Timbit]

Just letting y'all know that I'm not going to be around for voting. I shall be away all weekend celebrating the 143rd anniversary of the birth of my wonderful nation.....now with 5% more tax and 27% less civil liberties....

:hv20-smilie135: :hv20-smilie98:

Actually, it's 8%... :hv20-smilie36:

[drapeama]

Actually, it's 8%... :hv20-smilie36:

Anyway, we got it where you know no matter what we do...so...

[Timbit]

Did Quebec get a hike in taxes too???

[drapeama]

Did Quebec get a hike in taxes too???

We have Federal and Provincial taxes as well, so...
Here we usually say that the Definition of TVQ & TPS (taxes abbreviations) :
TVQ : Tu Vis au Québec (you live in quebec)
TPS : Tu Paie en Sacrament (You pay as f*ck ~or something like that)

[HueyNRolf]

Who can judge in place of cornreaper?

[drapeama]

Who can judge in place of cornreaper?

I can, i'll replace my fellow canadian filmmaker :hv20-smilie135: for this one, unless someone don't want me to do it?

[HueyNRolf]

The judges are:

drapeama
Ratfink
HueyNRolf

The reserve judge was changed right? It's not King Ducky.

[KingDucky]

It's still me.:hv20-smilie77:

[HueyNRolf]

Welcome onboard.

[KingDucky]

Welcome onboard.

Why thank you Huey.:hv20-smilie81:

[Lawrence189]

shooten tomorrow hopefully.

[HueyNRolf]

shooten tomorrow hopefully.

Great, do a nice job and have fun.

[Timbit]

Who can judge in place of cornreaper?

I would, but I'm running on a Turbo Stick, and watching movies runs up the megabytes like you wouldn't believe! :eek:

I don't think I'll be able to get anything in this contest either... :hv20-smilie119:

[Timbit]

Whoops! I didn't see page 4! Forget my last post! :hv20-smilie03:

[Fade to inferno]

I'm proud to say all my shooting is done. just need to do some ADR and i'm good. it feels good to get things done. So who else will be making the deadline?

[Dr. T]

So who else will be making the deadline?

Not me.

Ran into more problems on our planned Thursday shoot. We're not giving up on our script though. We're going to keep trying to shoot it next week. Too bad we won't be able to enter the contest with it.

I'm greatly looking forward to seeing what everyone else put together.

[drapeama]

We're going to keep trying to shoot it next week. Too bad we won't be able to enter the contest with it.

Just thought of that : Maybe we could have a separate thread, similar to the archive one, but for people who had good ideas but just haven't been able to do it by the deadline. People could post their video there and it could be moderated under the right theme in that thread, just like Shig's doing with the archive thread.
Just an idea, maybe more people could be interested in the contest then...I mean, as i've got interesting ideas for ~every theme, but just been alone to do it for most of them...i think this could be cool. More work for Shig but i could help.
What do you guys think about it?

[paperkut12]

That's actually not that bad of an idea. I'm currently under the same type of situation Dr. T is in where I couldn't make schedule with my actors, but could most likely get it done next week still because I like my idea. But either way it's no biggie because I will still try my best to get into whatever the next theme is. Just wouldn't want it to be too much of a burden for Shig or anyone managing another thread.

[Fade to inferno]

Just thought of that : Maybe we could have a separate thread
What do you guys think about it?

I would definitely like this. It's a good idea because i feel it will give some member more ecouragement to finish their projects or even start it late with out stressing too much. and i think i share one of my bigger problems with other filmmakers, which is motivation. This would help remedy that flaw as well.

[Dr. T]

Couldn't those that missed the deadline just post their video in the footage section of the forum with a note stating which contest it was made for?

I see no need to create an entirely separate sticky thread.

[HueyNRolf]

I agree, you'd get more coverage there too and it might help to promote the contest.

On that thought, maybe the winning entry should be posted to the footage forum too.

[drapeama]

On that thought, maybe the winning entry should be posted to the footage forum too.

That could help for sure to promote the contest. Good idea Huey.

[Daniel Rutter]

I believe that ALL the entries should be promoted in the footage section, not just the winning entry.

[Shigeta]

I don't know guys. This is starting to get way more complicated. I think users, if they want to make something, but can't make the deadline, should just post it in the footage section on their own terms. It's a contest, and it's turning into a contest and 29 other things as well. I see where you're going with it, and it's not a bad idea, but I think that maybe it should not expand it as much, you see where I'm going? It's just more to moderate and more to keep organized, more to go wrong, etc. etc. Let's keep it simple as it is, what do you guys say?

Maybe we can ask 1 NICELY to create a little topic and promote Drapes to be a moderator of the footage section to control that thread, and we can organize it liek the archive, but I think that it should not be directly connected to the contest, feel me?

[HueyNRolf]

Fair point, Shigs. But after only getting two on the last one. I think a bit promotion is a good idea.

How about we just encourage people to post to footage, regardless of whether it was an entry or not?

[Timbit]

Shig is right that it would get way more complicated. All these thoughts are good ideas though.

What I just thought of, was a ribbon type thing for all the entrants, in a first, second, third, basis. There should be more incentive to enter, and when there is only one award given for first place, some people may get discouraged.

What do you guys think of that?

[Pshaw!]

Shig is right that it would get way more complicated. All these thoughts are good ideas though.

What I just thought of, was a ribbon type thing for all the entrants, in a first, second, third, basis. There should be more incentive to enter, and when there is only one award given for first place, some people may get discouraged.

What do you guys think of that?

IF U AINT FURST, UR LAST.


But also, there are usually only about three entries...

[Bif]

Keep it simple folks. You've got a few who put in a lot of effort to try to keep this thing going, Shigeta is very much right on this.

[Fade to inferno]

IF U AINT FURST, UR LAST.



actually the fact that theres only one award motivates me. and i want it! so i think we're good on that aspect. but we do need more advertising. I would like to see more members participate.

[Timbit]

actually the fact that theres only one award motivates me. and i want it! so i think we're good on that aspect. but we do need more advertising. I would like to see more members participate.

I agree. :hv20-smilie03:

[Shigeta]

I think all winners/ participants should be highly, highly, highly recommended to put the banner in their signature maybe?

Maybe like those cheesy t-shirts:
"I participated in Antman's contest and all I got was this lousy banner"

which links to the current contest or info page, maybe? Just a thought.

[Lawrence189]

Can we wait till there's more entrants then there was world wars before we start structuring this program.

[Fade to inferno]

Can we wait till there's more entrants then there was world wars before we start structuring this program.

If you mean for advertising. i think the problem is there is not enough entrants to start off.


If you mean for the footage for the uncompleted entries being place in a thread. I think we agree that we can just place it on the footage section of the forum.

[Lawrence189]

I think we agree that we can just place it on the footage section of the forum.

Yeah, footage is footage, weather it was a honeymoon or antmans contest. :hv20-smilie03:

[Daniel Rutter]

Why not move the film archive to the footage section?? That would get a little bit more recognition on all entries... and save people spamming the footage section with their entries...

[drapeama]

I'm with Daniel. Great idea.

[Shigeta]

Why not move the film archive to the footage section?? That would get a little bit more recognition on all entries... and save people spamming the footage section with their entries...

Isn't this what I suggested?

[Daniel Rutter]

No... you suggested sending only the winning entries to the footage section...
Which I stated was unfair.

It may not have been you who suggested that though...

[Shigeta]

I don't know guys. This is starting to get way more complicated. I think users, if they want to make something, but can't make the deadline, should just post it in the footage section on their own terms. It's a contest, and it's turning into a contest and 29 other things as well. I see where you're going with it, and it's not a bad idea, but I think that maybe it should not expand it as much, you see where I'm going? It's just more to moderate and more to keep organized, more to go wrong, etc. etc. Let's keep it simple as it is, what do you guys say?

Maybe we can ask 1 NICELY to create a little topic and promote Drapes to be a moderator of the footage section to control that thread, and we can organize it like the archive, but I think that it should not be directly connected to the contest, feel me?


..I think that's what I said :hv20-smilie110:

[Daniel Rutter]

Just move the archive thread to the footage section... would be so much easier...

[Shigeta]

I think we should have 2 seperate ones though, or it'd get jumbled. I'm down with 2 threads organized the way the archive is now, but so people know what was turned in on time and which was not.

[Pshaw!]

Speaking of turned in on time, I've just finished shooting and editing mine.

[Pshaw!]

Okay so I have two versions:

One version has music that fits it very well; however, I'm guessing using about a minute of a Grizzly Bear (band) song doesn't comply with the copyright rules.

I have another version with a song by an artist that lets people use their songs (found it free on a public website), but this version is not nearly as good as the first.

My question is, can I upload both and let the judges decide if the first breaks the copyright rules?

[Bif]

My question is, can I upload both and let the judges decide if the first breaks the copyright rules?

No contest venue I know of will let you submit two versions. Every entrant submits one.

If a character turns on a radio and the recorded music is there, and if it is not left playing for long, it is incidental.

If the copyright protected music is used to set or enhance the mood and is left playing and you don't have permission to use it, usage is not incidental and violates copyright.

You know what you're doing and if you are trying to "push" the boundary that ought to tell you something.

As aspiring film makers it is up to us to find music we can legally use and match music and visuals for the effect we are trying to create.

[Dr. T]

Okay so I have two versions:

One version has music that fits it very well; however, I'm guessing using about a minute of a Grizzly Bear (band) song doesn't comply with the copyright rules.

I have another version with a song by an artist that lets people use their songs (found it free on a public website), but this version is not nearly as good as the first.

My question is, can I upload both and let the judges decide if the first breaks the copyright rules?
Absolutely not. You may not enter the contest with materials that you do not have permission to use. This is the very reason Nick Royer's otherwise fantastic entry was disqualified in the last contest.

Under no circumstances should you upload the first version.

You have a little over 16 hours before the deadline. I suggest you use this time to find a better alternative through one of the resources listed here: http://vimeo.com/forums/topic:15630

[Pshaw!]

Absolutely not. You may not enter the contest with materials that you do not have permission to use. This is the very reason Nick Royer's otherwise fantastic entry was disqualified in the last contest.

Under no circumstances should you upload the first version.

You have a little over 16 hours before the deadline. I suggest you use this time to find a better alternative at one of the resources listed here: http://vimeo.com/forums/topic:15630

Alright, thanks for putting me in my place! I'm serious.

But I've already finished and exported the second version, so all is good.

[Lawrence189]

My short was shot in under 5 minutes.

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My short was shot in under 5 minutes.

lol makes me feel dumb cuz i spend quite some time shooting mine.

[drapeama]

My short was shot in under 5 minutes.

Don't worry, spent half of a day to shoot mine for the power outage. Of course, i've been alone to : act/light/sound/pretty much everything so, it took some time to set every single shot.

[Lawrence189]

Canalization. Not enough time, I might post the "what could have been" in the footage section.

[Timbit]

A thought that was plaguing me last night in regards to Shigeta's comment of...

"Maybe like those cheesy t-shirts:
"I participated in Antman's contest and all I got was this lousy banner"

which links to the current contest or info page, maybe? Just a thought."

... I came up with the idea of having that with the current contest theme under it. For example...


"I participated in Antman's contest and all I got was this lousy banner"
Current theme: "Nostalgia"

So that way people can see it and think "Oh wow, I'd like to try that".

Just a thought. :hv20-smilie03:

[Pshaw!]

Is there any way of confirming that my video is pending being added to the group? I know I've checked the box to add it, but doesn't show that I did and I can check it again (but I won't, because it might add it twice). The name of my submission is "Remember When...?" if that helps.

[drapeama]

If you added your video to the group, then it won't show untill the deadline, according to the rules. If there's a mistake, PM Shigeta about it and he'll let the judges know about it.

[KingDucky]

So who's fo sho entering?

Just curious.:hv20-smilie55:

*also do we previous winners lose our ribbons after this contest is judged?

[Shigeta]

A thought that was plaguing me last night in regards to Shigeta's comment of...

"Maybe like those cheesy t-shirts:
"I participated in Antman's contest and all I got was this lousy banner"

which links to the current contest or info page, maybe? Just a thought."

... I came up with the idea of having that with the current contest theme under it. For example...


"I participated in Antman's contest and all I got was this lousy banner"
Current theme: "Nostalgia"

So that way people can see it and think "Oh wow, I'd like to try that".

Just a thought. :hv20-smilie03:



I love it. Is this something you'd like to throw together, drapes?

[drapeama]

Is this something you'd like to throw together, drapes?

So you'd like to change/replace the actual banner with a cheesy t-shirt with that inscription instead? i don't know...i'd like to see it first. Timbit, could you photoshop something and show us?

[Pshaw!]

Okay, so what if I, even if I already uploaded a version of my video, want to use I song I just recorded myself in the video. If I delete the other video pending approval and upload this instead, will it be accepted?

[Shigeta]

So you'd like to change/replace the actual banner with a cheesy t-shirt with that inscription instead? i don't know...i'd like to see it first. Timbit, could you photoshop something and show us?

No, just something for our signatures, not to replace the thing at the top..

[drapeama]

No, just something for our signatures

Well, i don't know. I like my actual signature. Maybe a template like the contest's banner, that would be cool. I'll try to make something later this week.

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so my exporting time is totally freaking me out. Does vimeo have to process the video? if so how long does it take? worried i might turn it in like 3:01

[Pshaw!]

so my exporting time is totally freaking me out. Does vimeo have to process the video? if so how long does it take? worried i might turn it in like 3:01

The line for processing is about 30 minutes right now. Uploading and processing don't take that long, though.

[Shigeta]

Well, i don't know. I like my actual signature. Maybe a template like the contest's banner, that would be cool. I'll try to make something later this week.

LOL

That's what I'm saying! A banner to put in out signatures...

[drapeama]

It's sunday...i'm working 12hours...don't ask me too much would you...!
About the banner, do i have to make different ones for all the previous theme? Or just a generic one like "Antman's HV20 Contest" or something?

[Shigeta]

Just one that changes every 2 weeks saying what Timbit said

Don't worry drapes, im just pullin' your leg.

[drapeama]

Good idea, especially when i look at KD's signature:
Efil ruoy fo sdnoces evif detsaw tsuj I ,siht gnidaer ruoy fI | If your reading this, I just wasted five seconds of your life.

[KingDucky]

Efil ruoy fo sdnoces evif detsaw tsuj I ,siht gnidaer ruoy fI | If your reading this, I just wasted five seconds of your life.

Mwhahahahha! My first victim!:hv20-smilie68:

[Timbit]

So you'd like to change/replace the actual banner with a cheesy t-shirt with that inscription instead? i don't know...i'd like to see it first. Timbit, could you photoshop something and show us?

I didn't mean replacing the current contest title, but rather having a banner in each contestant's signature. And I would photoshop an idea together, but I lost my old version with my motherboard failure (I don't have the CD either, as my 4-H leader loaned me a cheap version [Elements 2.0] to try) and just ordered Photoshop and Premiere Elements 8.0 from B&H on Friday, so I'm waiting for those...:hv20-smilie03:

I'm amazed at how much I actually depend on Photoshop... :hv20-smilie45:

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umm..."im waiting in line" on vimeo. does this mean i missed the deadline? =(

[Timbit]

Efil ruoy fo sdnoces evif detsaw tsuj I ,siht gnidaer ruoy fI.

Would someone mind telling me what language that was in...? :hv20-smilie03: All I can decipher is "Not in my vocabulary"... :hv20-smilie81:

[KingDucky]

Would someone mind telling me what language that was in.

My second victim!:hv20-smilie68:

[Pshaw!]

I can't read it!

(Poor grammar)

[Timbit]

Mwhahahahha! My first victim!:hv20-smilie68:

My second victim!:hv20-smilie68:

Yikes! :hv20-smilie15:




Hehehe :hv20-smilie03:

[Timbit]

Ohhhh! Now I get it!



You!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Shigeta]

Videos have been entered. Might not show up for a little while. Entrants, can you post the link to your video here?

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http://vimeo.com/groups/hdshorts/videos/13082914

My entry. Hope you guys enjoy. Didnt realize how long it took to upload lol

[Pshaw!]

http://vimeo.com/groups/hdshorts/videos/13082467

EDIT: only 2 of us? I thought a lot more people showed interest.

[Dr. T]

Well done both of you.

Remember when..? has a fantastic opening shot. I also liked the way you shot the swinging sequence. It does fall a bit flat when it comes to the story, acting, and painfully out of sync ADR.

The Sominium was the stronger of the two entries. I didn't expect anybody to delve into the supernatural with this theme. It's well edited and the scene on the bus has a great look to it. I only wish the man in the black vest gave a more devilish performance.

So that's my $0.02.

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http://vimeo.com/groups/hdshorts/videos/13082467

EDIT: only 2 of us? I thought a lot more people showed interest.


Same here. I feel a bit dissapointed. We really need to advertise this. very good job Pshaw! love the comedy in your piece. definately great opening shot. You really captured the theme Nostalgia.

and thanks EDIT: (DR.T) for the kind words. I have always wondered what my films would be like with very adept acting. It seems i always lack something. not that my two actors are bad but of course theyre not super pro or nething.

Edit: sorry Doc, wasnt paying attention lol

[Dr. T]

and thanks Mr.T...

I'm a Doctor boy, show some respect. :hv20-smilie03:

[Pshaw!]

Well done both of you.

Remember when..? painfully out of sync ADR.


That's because they were actually talking about completely unrelated stuff. :hv20-smilie03:

It goes to show you that inferno's really shines when it comes to planning, haha.

[net]

Fade to inferno...that was awesome.


I only wish the man in the black vest gave a more devilish performance.
I liked that it wasn't cliché.

[Fade to inferno]

Fade to inferno...that was awesome.


I liked that it wasn't cliché.

Thanks net! glad you liked it. If i had more time would have been even cooler. Time constraints are hard. but i feel really accomplished with the result in a just a short span of time

[Timbit]

EDIT: only 2 of us? I thought a lot more people showed interest.

I wanted to enter, but my camera wasn't behaving and I kept getting interrupted! Not to mention the noise in a house of five...:hv20-smilie81: I would have had to provide canned audio anyways though. :hv20-smilie03:

[1]

WOW, I liked them BOTH!

Quite different, so it will be hard to judge these for a winner IMHO. The quality is improving, me thinks. I know there's not much time to get these done, so it's good to see someone actually get out there and finish a project like this.

Remember when had me laughing out loud in parts, including when I tried to flick that speck of my LCD! :)

Somnium was technically very well done, and a neat story to boot!

Audio sucked pretty much on both, but not completely unusable.

Well done to both of you!!!

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Thanks Mal! regarding my audio, are you talking about the ADR being our of sync? or the actual quality of the audio? or volume? wondering what i can improve :hv20-smilie03:

[1]

Yeah, in your case poor ADR.
Out of sync issues are only part of the problem. Each location has its own background "sound" and feel, and we as movie watchers are COMPLETELY in tune of that should sound like. You can have too clean audio with no background sound or a wrong feel, and it automatically looks/sounds wrong.

Hey, you didn't have much time, and as such, you did a good job. I'm only nit-picking here!

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you can have too clean audio with no background sound or a wrong feel, and it automatically looks/sounds wrong.

Hey, you didn't have much time, and as such, you did a good job. I'm only nit-picking here!

haha right
Yeah i usually do have some kind of ambience to my films for each location but didnt have enough time to figure exactly what i wanted. and yeah learned my lesson with ADR. it was impossible to sync up cuz we did it with out playback. they totally forgot how and at what speed they said things in. but all these are minor problems considering the time crunch so i'm very proud =D

[drapeama]

Remmember When...?
Nice work here! Simple and funny. The audio wasn't the best i've heard but as you wrote on the vimeo page, it has been done without an external mic. The video might have needed a bit of color correction and i think you've ended up pretty well with your "broken" adapter : there was minor dusts visible but it wasn't distracting. Technically, it was ok, the story was the main lack here: there was nostalgia, but it seemed forced to me...i don't know how to explain it better. Thanks for your entry!

The Somnium
Awesome job here! The camera work, the color correction was good while not overused, the story was pretty interesting. Only thing that bugged me was the audio. It wasn't bad, but it would have been better with an external mic or ADR because some scene were noisy, not much, but just enough. The acting was quite good too. Overall you did a very good job! Surprised me with this entry, the way you wrote the story around the nostalgia...+1

My vote goes to Fade to Inferno's The Somnium. Good work :hv20-smilie77:

[Pshaw!]

WOW, I liked them BOTH!

Quite different, so it will be hard to judge these for a winner IMHO.


Well done to both of you!!!

Too bad it seems you're the only one who thinks this...
:(
But then again, inferno's was quite good.

Also I'd like to mention again that I started recording the soundtrack two hours before the submission deadline in a mad rush to not be disqualified. I don't think I captured the mood that my first song did.

[HueyNRolf]

Remmember When...?

A nice simple idea well executed, but not very engaging. I didn't like the flat washed out look. Might be the adaptor or color grading. A couple of things sounded odd in the script; 'Innocent civilian' and 'illegal narcotics.'

The Somnium

A great story and creative approach to theme. The main character's performance was a little flat but I liked the other guy. The ADR was reasonable, but perhaps a bit of room tone in the mix would've improved it.

My vote goes to The Somnium

[Dr. T]

Congratulations Fade. Please PM Shigeta with your theme suggestion so we can get started on the next one.

[Timbit]

Congratulations Fade. Please PM Shigeta with your theme suggestion so we can get started on the next one.

Yea! :hv20-smilie07::hv20-smilie07::hv20-smilie07::hv20-smilie07::hv20-smilie07:

[Bif]

Remember When:

You got one done and entered, more than a lot of us did. What worked for it was the lead up to totally surprising and shocking twist towards the end, giving some humor.

The music fit pretty well, I thought. Doing it yourself showed an independence that put yourself well above using something questionable and doing your own music when you can make it fit, makes your production fully original and stamps it as your own.

Audio wasn't bad for using the onboard mics.

The following comments may seem a bit harsh but they are meant to help and please do not let them keep you from trying again on other contests. Remember, this is like free film school and we all have to "check our ego" at the door.

Broken adapter...If a piece of gear is not working DON'T USE IT. The defective footage will hurt far more than the gear would help if it was working up to snuff. Nothing you tried needed a Depth Of Field adapter, the HF100 lens range would have covered everything you needed and if selective focus was really required it could be done with the telephoto end. A "muted" look to tone down harsh sunlight/daylight is available using Cine mode, if too flat then contrast and brightness can be "kicked up" a bit in post.

As it was, the soft flat look you got with the adapter and the non moving specks detracted very much from what you had. What happens is we get "caught up" with the concept that "everyone else" is using an "adapter" and we are not "with it" if we don't. We are "following the herd"

You'd have been far better off using the "naked" HF100, it is a tremendously workable piece of gear (I know, I have 2 of them) and is capable of a lot on it's own. Hook it up with an inexpensive external stereo mic and a 16' shielded cable so you put the mic close in where it needs to be and you have a decent starting setup.

Good luck on the next one...

The Somnium:

Very interesting concept. Strong opening with the first shot and excellent composition and lighting for dramatic effect. Editing was well done (library sequence powerfully effective) and well paced. Application of your film to assigned theme was well done.

Your acting talent did their parts very powerfully, very convincing, I felt like I could see what they were feeling.

My only point of criticism would be that you did not credit your actors, and I suggest that you do a re-edit and add end credits so you can provide them with a copy on DVD or an HD file they can play on their computers. Anyone who helps me in any way on a project gets a DVD copy with their name in the end titles/credits so they can use it to further and promote their own efforts.

All in all an entry very well done, a win well earned! Congratulations.

[Pshaw!]

Remember When:
[Edited down because apparently I need to practice proper etiquette.]

Thanks for the criticism.

I had set out to make something look nostalgic, hence the really soft and washed out feel of the adapter (+sepia). I am fully aware of what the camera is capable of, though. I wouldn't have used the adapter prior to it being fixed had the theme been something else. I am also fully aware that the adapter is only useful in certain scenarios. I just felt this was one of those scenarios. In retrospect, I probably shouldn't have used the adapter for scenes that weren't flashbacks.

Also, if you want to see the XXX UNRATED (aka copyright law-violating) version of it (I think it highlights the mood I was trying to create MUCH better):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmoNamFzc0U

Thanks for the concern and advice, as I can definitely see how it could looked like I was hopping on the 35mm adapter bandwagon with no questions asked.

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hey BIF any feed back for mine?



And pshaw! I would reccommend not quoting bifs ENTIRE post. Etiquette in forums. =)

[Pshaw!]

hey BIF any feed back for mine?



And pshaw! I would reccommend not quoting bifs ENTIRE post. Etiquette in forums. =)

He edited his post to include a review of yours if you didn't see already.

[Bif]

It's there, the last third of post #163 (two posts up).

Check it out.

OK...4 posts up. A couple got snuck in while I was posting this one.

[Royer Films]

Nice job on both of these films - I liked both of them!

Remember When:
Liked your story. Some of the dialogue did seem a little weird, but thats not a big issue. I do somewhat disagree with Bif's statement though. I think you should have used the adapter on the flashbacks but not on the scene of them on the grass. But I loved the look of the adapter on the flashbacks BECAUSE it wasn't working. Having the dirt and dust on the ground glass bade it look like a deteriorated film shot a little bit and I figured that you had applied a grunge layer over your video until I read the Vimeo page.

The Somnium:
Very interesting concept and execution. I really liked the library sequence and the black background on the scene where he meets the somnium was excellent and helps to focus the viewer intently on what's taking place. One thing I didn't like was the aspect ratio - I thought it seemed like it was added in later and not really accounted for in the framing of your shots.

Excellent work on both films and congratulations on getting them done! Wish I could have participated in this one but it looks like I'll have some time for the next competition.

[Bif]

Thanks for the criticism.


Not criticism....Critique.

There's a big difference between the two and I sure didn't mean for my "critique" to be taken as any kind of putdown. I've had more than one Master of Photography "light into me" in front of others and literally "dismember" me verbally at seminars or classes, so if I made you feel like I was "attacking" that was not my intent.

Remember, the "work" stands by itself, makes it's own impression, and we learn from it if we can.



I had set out to make something look nostalgic, hence the really soft and washed out feel of the adapter (+sepia). In retrospect, I probably shouldn't have used the adapter for scenes that weren't flashbacks.


That could have worked much better if there were a significant contrast or visual difference between the lying in the grass reminiscing scenes and the flashbacks. While you used a dissolve transition it was too short a transition. Try "stretching" out the dissolve and go directly to the "swinging towards the camera" scenes and see what a difference that makes. The dissolve transition should also include an audio transition to either a different piece of music with a different feel or location sounds (birds chirping, kids yelling on another part of the playground, that sort of thing).




Also, if you want to see the XXX UNRATED (aka copyright law-violating) version of it (I think it highlights the mood I was trying to create MUCH better):


I didn't see anything that makes it XXX (kidding here).

The music on that one didn't make any real difference to me, to you it probably does because you and your friends like it.

For the record though, you exposed youtube to potential liability by uploading it. Their terms of use prohibit uploading something you don't own the right to distribute and they have been taking constant legal fire over how much of that takes place.



Thanks for the concern and advice, as I can definitely see how it could looked like I was hopping on the 35mm adapter bandwagon with no questions asked.

The concern is hoping you jump right back in with another and progress. Make your gear work for you, use the adapter for what it does well and make that contrast with what you don't need it for. And of course continue to have fun with it.

Good luck on the next one.

[Pshaw!]

Not criticism....Critique.

There's a big difference between the two and I sure didn't mean for my "critique" to be taken as any kind of putdown. I've had more than one Master of Photography "light into me" in front of others and literally "dismember" me verbally at seminars or classes, so if I made you feel like I was "attacking" that was not my intent.

You didn't. I guess I'm just bad with words.




The concern is hoping you jump right back in with another and progress. Make your gear work for you, use the adapter for what it does well and make that contrast with what you don't need it for. And of course continue to have fun with it.

Good luck on the next one.

Do you mean the next contest or just in general? The rules say that the winner can enter the next contest, but don't say anything about the others.

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Do you mean the next contest or just in general? The rules say that the winner can enter the next contest, but don't say anything about the others.

you're fine to enter. it is still open to the public =). that statement is just there because i'm sure they were debating if it was "fair" for the winner to enter the next one since the option would be to let someone else win the next one.

[Timbit]

You didn't. I guess I'm just bad with words.

We all have problems at some point in time with words. I used to be really bad with my words...until I got into pen pals! :hv20-smilie03:



Do you mean the next contest or just in general? The rules say that the winner can enter the next contest, but don't say anything about the others.

The contest rules allow the winner to enter the next contest or any other one after. That's why it's a "fun" contest, because there is no restrictions on the winner. The main point is to create something original that is fun! :hv20-smilie77:

[Vishus]

I liked "remember when". I guess I had read the description before I watched the video, so I knew that we were going for something a little goofy. I liked the quirks like "innocent civilian". The dust on the adapter was a little distracting, but fun stuff!

The Somnium was really well done. The deal was really a crappy deal, and i wouldn't have taken it personally :p I think this is one of my favourites from ANY week of the contests. Sounds was a little muffled, but it was shot and lit and edited nicely. Good job!

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The deal was really a crappy deal, and i wouldn't have taken it personally :p I think this is one of my favourites from ANY week of the contests. Sounds was a little muffled, but it was shot and lit and edited nicely. Good job!

haha yeah i probably wouldn't take the deal either but i guess he just misses her that much. thanks for the nice words =D, i'll try to figure out what i can do for sound better.

[Bif]

You didn't. I guess I'm just bad with words.


No, you're not bad with words, I try to be sensitive to people's feelings and was worried a bit about how that strong critique might hit you. That's why it included a warning about it might seem a bit "harsh".

In 1977 I attended a week long course sponsored by the Texas Professional Photographers Association, the course was titled "Contemporary Portrait Update". We had 3 top name, famous portrait photographers as instructors.

At the registration I met one, Ed DeCroce (now deceased) from Denver (several of his "sensitive" portraits of musicians were in Kodak textbooks on professional subjects). He asked me to bring samples of my work for him to see. I brought about half a dozen mounted 11x14 to 16x20's and he was very appreciative of what he was seeing...Until...

...I mentioned that the one he was looking at was of my parents.

He thrust that print back at me and "lit into" me like I had never had anyone do over something I'd said, and he ranted with several others watching stunned. I was totally shocked. The crux of what he "lectured" me about was...

...Never explain a picture. It either stands or falls on it's own merits or lack of and "explaining" it with words only detracts.

Unspoken was also the understanding that one should never make excuses or explain shortcomings. Once you know they are there, just quietly study how to not do the same thing again.

I spent the week with him keeping both feet on my back, he rode me unmercifully...And I took it because I probably learned more from him than anyone else there. When they handed out the certificates and PPofA merits for the course he snatched mine from the presenter and presented them to me himself.

Of course he "went over the top" with that sudden lecture, it was totally unnecessary and I swore I would never do that to another. Just the same I would have gone to Denver sometime and spent another week under his tutelage but he passed away before I could do that.

Since then I have never explained a picture I was showing or displaying unless the viewer asked something about it. I almost do the same with video when showing it.

It stands or falls, impresses or not, on it's merits.

[cornreaper]

Bif, that's one of the most interesting anecdotes I think I've ever read on these boards.

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Bif, that's one of the most interesting anecdotes I think I've ever read on these boards.

agreed. thank you for sharing that :hv20-smilie77:

[KingDucky]

Mhm. That was really inspiring to me Bif. I tend to do that alot with my stuff(explain he shortcomings). Now I know. Thanks:hv20-smilie110:

[Royer Films]

I think as low/no budget filmmakers sometimes we tend to use that as an excuse for shortcomings of the piece. The fact is that our audience can watch any movie they want...whether it be a hundred-million dollar or zero dollar production. So what is it that draws them to our low and no budget productions? We have to create pieces that can stand by themselves and compete with hollywood productions for the audience's attention. And while it isn't easy - it is sure possible with a great story.

[Timbit]

Thanks, Bif! As an aspiring photographer, I realize that my photos will not meet the grade all the time, and that I have down-talked myself when explaining a picture to someone. I'll keep what you said in mind! :hv20-smilie77:


For Shigeta:

When will the next contest theme be announced?

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For Shigeta:

When will the next contest theme be announced?

I did not see him back on till recently. He must have had quite a 4th of july ;). I pmed my ideas yesterday night. was hoping it be up before i had to go to work tonight but darn gtg in 30 min

[Timbit]

I did not see him back on till recently. He must have had quite a 4th of july ;). I pmed my ideas yesterday night.

Hehehe! Thanks, Fade to inferno!

[Shigeta]

New contest up! Sorry for the delay guys, I did indeed have quite a 4th :D

[Timbit]

New contest up! Sorry for the delay guys, I did indeed have quite a 4th :D

Hehe! :hv20-smilie24:

[KingDucky]

Why do you comment on all the old contest threads??

[Timbit]

All his posts sound find of... well, spamatic.