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Mooose

2008 August 7th, 09:27

Time to throw my offering into the ring....

I have been working with a few companies here in the UK looking at creating a monitor solution that would fit the needs of our community. I will start off by saying that what we have come up with (now in prototype stage) is not going to be the 'cheap' solution. In fact where we are now it looks like we will be looking at $850 for the 12.1" solution. A little more for the 7".

But ....

What would make the solution I am working on different is the following:

- Multiple power options (all within the case) offering run times from two hours all the way up to 5 hours. This includes an external jack so that you can power the unit from the wall when needed.

- Anti glare and anti reflective coatings (good stuff with optical glues etc) to offer better performance in direct sunlight.

- HDMI pass-through

I am expecting to have an update on all pricing and availabilty before the end of this month. Until then everything is subject to change.

I will not post on this again until I have something to show - but it looks very promising for a good quality solution at a good price point.

Thanks

(PS - I have a background in electrical engineering and software design - though these days I work in Marketing .... go figure)

johnzo1995

2008 August 7th, 09:36

hey johnzo

pricing includes kit..

complete right?

Yes, the pricing includes a complete working monitor with a power supply,remote, power cable to hook to 12v source.

The prototype is arriving today, I will post pictures. The production montior will include silk screened labling.

i_make_tshirts

2008 August 7th, 12:59

Sounds interesting Mooose.. although im on mad budget

Cant wait to see JohnzO!

Mooose

2008 August 7th, 13:47

I am thinking about the option of making the solution available as a kit. Everything supplied - you just spend a night with a screwdriver and a DVD of instructions and you're done.

I will have to work out the final price for that option...

RockyRoad2929

2008 August 7th, 22:04

Boy...this is exciting...we now have three guys building monitors for finally the HV20/30 crowd or even others.

I can't wait to see some of the pics and spec from these guys.

Cheers to you three...!!! Sweet.

David

2008 August 7th, 23:33

Boy...this is exciting...we now have three guys building monitors

Besides Johnzo and Moooose, who's the third?

kenkyusha

2008 August 7th, 23:50

That is pretty awesome that we have so many solutions now.

David- the third member is Dale Backus. Here is a link (http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?t=14360) to the 'for sale' section. HTH.

Be well,
Jigme

David

2008 August 8th, 00:27

David- the third member is Dale Backus. Here is a link (http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?t=14360) to the 'for sale' section. HTH.

Sweet! I've been off the forums for a while and the last I'd read, I thought they were only selling off their original limited run. It all looks like good news for us :hv20-smilie77:

zephyrnoid

2008 August 8th, 02:33

Gymnut808

2008 August 8th, 02:43

Zeph, you are, without a shadow of a doubt, the DIY King.

leteeci

2008 August 8th, 03:55

In fact where we are now it looks like we will be looking at $850 for the 12.1" solution. A little more for the 7".

Hey Mooose!

What about the 10.9" ???

:hv20-smilie70:

Mooose

2008 August 8th, 11:19

It will be on the list. To be honest I only wnat to talk about them when they are ready - too many companies talk about the kit about 6 months to a year before they are ready.

Haha - some even take deposit about that long before the product is ready...

johnzo1995

2008 August 8th, 11:23

Hey guys, the case is finished and I will be posting pictures soon. I had 25 pcs available , but already sold 10 for my existing customers that were waiting.

I'm planning on selling 10 complete monitors here, and 5 cases for the people that already have a 10.9 kit. Complete monitor price is $559. Case $234 assembled (you can send your kit back to me).

I'm going to add the monitor to my store, first come first serve. ETA delivery is 2-3 weeks. International shipping is available.

In 3-4 weeks, I will have a steady inventory of the complete monitors.

zephyrnoid

2008 August 8th, 11:32

Great News! Whew!
Looking forward to the 7.2 case :hv20-smilie77:
Hey guys, the case is finished and I will be posting pictures soon. I had 25 pcs available , but already sold 10 for my existing customers that were waiting.

I'm planning on selling 10 complete monitors here, and 5 cases for the people that already have a 10.9 kit. Complete monitor price is $559. Case $234 assembled (you can send your kit back to me).

I'm going to add the monitor to my store, first come first serve. ETA delivery is 2-3 weeks. International shipping is available.

In 3-4 weeks, I will have a steady inventory of the complete monitors.

den59

2008 August 9th, 12:24

Yes, the pricing includes a complete working monitor with a power supply,remote, power cable to hook to 12v source.

The prototype is arriving today, I will post pictures. The production montior will include silk screened labling.

Hi, Johnzo.

Cool prices! Look forward looking some pictures.
Just didn't get it, do you provide a battery with a kit?

Cheers and good luck in production,
Denis.

i_make_tshirts

2008 August 10th, 23:04

johnz.. any updates?

nmbuconj

2008 August 11th, 21:16

johnzo1995

2008 August 11th, 21:26

Here are some pictures, they don't do justice I have a crappy camara. Anyways the 10.9 has a very nice picture.

Demensions: 11-3/16" wide, 8" high, 2" deep. Approx weight 2.5 pounds.

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Now I only have about 8 left, I'm going to start a pre order on my website for people that want one.

I have put 5 aside for poeple that already have a 10.9 kit. Please email me if you want one. manhattanlcd@yahoo.com If no one jumps on those I will end up making more complete monitors out of it.

i_make_tshirts

2008 August 12th, 13:18

hey Johnzo.. mind posting a pic of one mounted.. want to see if id go with that or wait for 7inch

thanks again!

EDITED: ahh im going to have to wait for something smaller

africanmarty

2008 August 13th, 04:14

Here's our write up, not including the detail finishing touches.
I'll be adding action shots with the Bogen arm that I'm using to mount the monitor to a tripod. Light-stand mounting is also great, especially for Directors.
http://imagometrics.com/FLReviews/Tosh10.9encl.htm

were did you get those 2 battery compartemtns that you have under Xlr adaptor ?? did you make them ?? i would love to get one.

Duke

2008 August 13th, 08:37

For those of you who have made your own aluminum case or bought a cap-box - what type of paint did you use? I painted my aluminum cap box black and it looked fantastic -until I used the monitor. The paint quickly became scratched up and is not quite so "new" looking anymore.

Did you do some kind of prep before paint? Maybe steel wool or something? Primer?

Any help would be appreciated.

There is a textured paint called Hammered Metal. It's thicker than regular spray paint. Even so I did a couple coats with a couple days in between.

Metal often has oils on it to ease manufacturing. I used acetone to degrease before painting.

Duke

zephyrnoid

2008 August 13th, 08:41

They are made for me custom by The Bec Group. Here's the original thread.> BEC-TEK-01 (http://hv20.com/showthread.php?t=7582&highlight=bec-tek-01)

were did you get those 2 battery compartemtns that you have under Xlr adaptor ?? did you make them ?? i would love to get one.

ODDNAME

2008 August 13th, 08:42

For those of you who have made your own aluminum case or bought a cap-box - what type of paint did you use? I painted my aluminum cap box black and it looked fantastic -until I used the monitor. The paint quickly became scratched up and is not quite so "new" looking anymore.

Did you do some kind of prep before paint? Maybe steel wool or something? Primer?

Any help would be appreciated.

Just cleaned the surface, applied regular paint (nothing fancy, just plain old matte black). And then varnish.

texasmfp

2008 August 13th, 12:43

There's also epoxy paint. Its used to paint appliances and can be found at any regular Home Despot or Lowe's

zephyrnoid

2008 August 13th, 19:54

That's the BEST stuff for durability. Especially applied in two light coats as directed. With aluminum, just a really good cleaning with acetone (never a mineral spirit) gets the cleaning done. If painting steel use a spray primer first to add 'tooth' to the surface :hv20-smilie77:

There's also epoxy paint. Its used to paint appliances and can be found at any regular Home Despot or Lowe's

johnzo1995

2008 August 18th, 10:15

I have the 7.2 backlight drivers now, they work great, I will post pics soon.

t_prakash

2008 August 24th, 15:36

Hi,

Could you please that is the same kit you bought and does this contains the screen as i can assemble a kit like yours.

http://www.manhattanlcd.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=2002

Your help is much appreciated.

Many thanks,
Prakash

zephyrnoid

2008 August 24th, 18:23

To whom were you addressing this question? The link that you provided is to a 15.4 SCREEN.

Hi,

Could you please that is the same kit you bought and does this contains the screen as i can assemble a kit like yours.

http://www.manhattanlcd.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=2002

Your help is much appreciated.

Many thanks,
Prakash

t_prakash

2008 August 25th, 04:46

Hi there, it was intended for africanmarty or anyone else who have bought that kit.

Yhanks,
Prakash

africanmarty

2008 August 25th, 06:21

Hi there, it was intended for africanmarty or anyone else who have bought that kit.

Yhanks,
Prakash

Judging form that page it staes "lcd panel" i baught a "kit" when i got mine ( the 10.6 wich isnt avaliable anymore by the look of things ) you should check this page out http://www.manhattanlcd.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=1004 if you want a 15.4 'kit' wich includes 15.4 LCD with remote, backlight ballast, all cables, and LVDS cable ect.

regards Marty.

t_prakash

2008 August 26th, 17:12

africanmarty

2008 August 26th, 17:23

Hi Marty,

Thanks for your input, i checked with Manhattan LCD and have finally ordered it (its still available), now how do i get it charged .. can i use this charger to get it working ... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Portable-12V-li-ion-rechargeable-battery-pack-1800-mAH_W0QQitemZ310075883551QQihZ021QQcategoryZ48637Q QcmdZViewItem

Kindly suggest.

Thanks,
Prakash

Your welcome :) i had one of those bateries and it didnt work (for me), it's now used as a paper weight... i ended up buying a Tekkeon rechargable battery. The model i have is the : MP3450.

Regards Marty.

-Rogue5-

2008 August 26th, 18:32

Is there anything smaller than 10.6? I've been searching, but I can't find anything... a 1080i 7" DIY display for $200 would be perfect... Battery life would be better too.

-Rogue5-

texasmfp

2008 August 26th, 19:10

Is there anything smaller than 10.6? I've been searching, but I can't find anything... a 1080i 7" DIY display for $200 would be perfect... Battery life would be better too.

-Rogue5-
$200? yeah right. The LCD screen itself will cost about $200. Wishful thinking on price. However, manhattanlcd does have a 7.2 kit, and they have teased us with reference to a 8.9" kit. We'll see what shakes out over the next few months.

t_prakash

2008 August 27th, 05:33

Your welcome :) i had one of those bateries and it didnt work (for me), it's now used as a paper weight... i ended up buying a Tekkeon rechargable battery. The model i have is the : MP3450.

Regards Marty.

Hey Marty,

Thanks again, i have ordered for a Tekkeon MP3450 (i guess i would still need an adapter to use this in UK) and a Velbon DV-7000 Tripod (actually got them from ur signature) hope it would go well with the HV20 ...

Regards,
Prakash

manoeuvre

2008 August 27th, 21:01

Hey Marty,

Thanks again, i have ordered for a Tekkeon MP3450 (i guess i would still need an adapter to use this in UK) and a Velbon DV-7000 Tripod (actually got them from ur signature) hope it would go well with the HV20 ...

Regards,
Prakash

The power adapter is multi voltage, you probably just need a cord for the UK, I can't remember off the top of my head but I'm pretty sure it's the kettle, pc power cord style that you get just about anywhere.

africanmarty

2008 August 27th, 21:18

Hey Marty,

Thanks again, i have ordered for a Tekkeon MP3450 (i guess i would still need an adapter to use this in UK) and a Velbon DV-7000 Tripod (actually got them from ur signature) hope it would go well with the HV20 ...

Regards,
Prakash

no problem they work well for me and should work well for you too :hv20-smilie77: as for the cord manoeuvre is right its just a pc power cord that you will need for your wall sockets ( eaisly avaliable ). post some pics when you have your setup ready.

t_prakash

2008 August 28th, 10:08

no problem they work well for me and should work well for you too :hv20-smilie77: as for the cord manoeuvre is right its just a pc power cord that you will need for your wall sockets ( eaisly avaliable ). post some pics when you have your setup ready.

Sure will do Marty .... and thanks Manoeuvre :)

Regards,
Prakash

chiplay_hybrid

2008 August 28th, 17:40

What's the word on the 7.2 backlight drivers? Can't wait to get one - please let us know when you can ship. Thanks!

zephyrnoid

2008 August 28th, 23:27

ManhattanLCD have the proper kits in from what I hear.
We should be expecting a 7.2" kit with 24V>12V Ckt, and will be highlighting the DIY build in GearNinja.com in October.

What's the word on the 7.2 backlight drivers? Can't wait to get one - please let us know when you can ship. Thanks!

howironicman

2008 August 30th, 05:02

Your welcome :) i had one of those bateries and it didnt work (for me), it's now used as a paper weight... i ended up buying a Tekkeon rechargable battery. The model i have is the : MP3450.

Regards Marty.

Is there a small 9v adapter for the monitor's AC plug for the LCD? Or is this thing that much better?

I ordered the 10.6 but I want to be able to not be plugged in the whole time to use it.

Sorry if this is a dumb question, it's late. :)

africanmarty

2008 August 30th, 08:45

Is there a small 9v adapter for the monitor's AC plug for the LCD? Or is this thing that much better?

I ordered the 10.6 but I want to be able to not be plugged in the whole time to use it.

Sorry if this is a dumb question, it's late. :)

you dont need an adaptor as you can select the voltage you require from the battery itself. Since i need 12v thats what i use, but there is a 9v selection avaliable if that is what you require. infact it has 5V, 6V, 7.5V, 9V, 12V, 14V, 16V, 19V options to choose from :), but if its the plug that you plug into the monitor to power it... no not with the unit you would have to by a adaptor somewhere to change the size of it. - Marty.

Duke

2008 August 30th, 09:21

If you're asking if the Tekkeon battery has different size plugs, yes it comes with an assortment, as well as the various voltage settings.

It almost sounds like you're asking about plugging the AC direct into the monitor, but that would be with a transformer/converter type unit.

howironicman

2008 August 30th, 22:55

I think I might've worded it wrong reading my post but it was at 4 in the morning haha. I was just wondering if I could plug the monitor into this battery directly so that it's portable, since I didn't see any AC inputs in the battery.

zephyrnoid

2008 September 1st, 11:52

Good grief!:hv20-smilie15:
1) there is an AC INPUT to the MP3450, to allow you to CHARGE the battery up ( charger comes with battery kit)
2) there's a DC OUTPUT, into which you insert a supplied cable that then terminated in changeable connectors. The Connector required to power the Monitor from the MP3450 battery is connector - 'C' which is includes with the MP3450 kit. I hope that explains it all now?:hv20-smilie77:

I think I might've worded it wrong reading my post but it was at 4 in the morning haha. I was just wondering if I could plug the monitor into this battery directly so that it's portable, since I didn't see any AC inputs in the battery.

2008 September 1st, 18:56

1) there is an AC INPUT to the MP3450...

Just to be clear:
- the INPUT on the MP3450 is also DC, not AC.
- the 19V necessary to charge the MP3450 is supplied by the included AC adapter (AC adapter in: AC 100-240V; out: DC 19V/3.16A). It's an AC adapter, not a charger. The charging circuitry is built into the MP3450.

Mooose

2008 September 2nd, 06:41

Just wanted to give everyone an update on our monitor project.

The first version is almost complete and will have the following features:

1) Anti-glare and anti-reflective layer on the screen.
2) Alu chassis - 3mm (tough as nails)
3) 2 power connectors supporting XLR 4 pin (or hirose 4 pin) and standard 2 pin 12V input. All power inputs fully regulated (10 to 18V input)

The HDMI pass-through will be an option that we will look at in the future.

I am hoping to post pictures in the near future.

Good news for anyone in the USA or Canada - the £ is tanking at the moment and therefore it may cost you less than when we first started this project.

africanmarty

2008 September 2nd, 09:33

zephyrnoid

2008 September 2nd, 15:44

Yes! I stand corrected or rather, I 'misspoke'.
The 3450 KIT comes with a wall adapter that converts 110V AC to 12VDC. I believe many folks don't realize what the wall adapters do- ( convert voltage and type of current) so I tried to speak the questioner's language. :hv20-smilie81:

Just to be clear:
- the INPUT on the MP3450 is also DC, not AC.
- the 19V necessary to charge the MP3450 is supplied by the included AC adapter (AC adapter in: AC 100-240V; out: DC 19V/3.16A). It's an AC adapter, not a charger. The charging circuitry is built into the MP3450.

zephyrnoid

2008 September 2nd, 15:45

Good news for anyone in the USA or Canada - the £ is tanking at the moment and therefore it may cost you less than when we first started this project.

Great. But postage is still an expense and a half! :hv20-smilie70:

AlexR

2008 September 3rd, 14:04

How do you guys mount the monitor on camera?

t_prakash

2008 September 7th, 12:24

Hi African Marty,

I have got mine today, just assembled and everything looks fine ..

Thanks to Marty and everyone in the forum for your inputs.

Looking forward for suggestions on frame, mounting for this external monitor...

Cheers,
Prakash

africanmarty

2008 September 7th, 16:19

zephyrnoid

2008 September 7th, 17:02

Try Here....
http://imagometrics.com/FLReviews/Tosh10.9encl.htm

Hi African Marty,

I have got mine today, just assembled and everything looks fine ..

Thanks to Marty and everyone in the forum for your inputs.

Looking forward for suggestions on frame, mounting for this external monitor...

Cheers,
Prakash

AlexR

2008 September 7th, 18:27

John from manhattanLCD.com now has monitors *with* enclosures, for people who don't want/can't manufacture the frames.

Tested it, and liked John's enclosure.

zephyrnoid

2008 September 8th, 07:59

Yes! Absolutely wonderful person to deal with too! Really stands behind his products and customers. Well worth the cost :hv20-smilie77:

John from manhattanLCD.com now has monitors *with* enclosures, for people who don't want/can't manufacture the frames.

Tested it, and liked John's enclosure.

AlexR

2008 September 8th, 10:03

Tried mounting LCD on the camera (based on very good Cartoni tripod), but the whole contraption becomes rather shaky due to center of gravity being too high now.

I'm thinking of mounting the monitor to the tripod's leg instead with Noga, or to a completely separate stand.

I need to rotate monitor in different directions before and during the shoot *without inducing camera shake*.

Also I need to be able to pan/tilt the cam without the monitor vibrating on top of it...

What is your experience with monitor mounting?

zephyrnoid

2008 September 8th, 14:46

Have a close look at the project page...
http://imagometrics.com/FLReviews/Tosh10.9encl.htm
for (same as camera) tripod mounting, I really like the Bogen/manfrotto articulating arm set up. i've also attached a cheap Kalt/ Aetna camera quick release to get the monitor on and off the arm quickly. So I clamp the one end of the arm to a tripod leg , roughly position and lock down the arm, attach the monitor via the quick release and then make small adjustments of the monitor positioning and angle.
I'll be shooting better pics of this system when I get out on location this week.
The support parts pictured are:
- 1X Manfrotto 2940 - to attach to the tripod leg or a stand or whatever. $15.95 from B&H
- 1X Bogen / Manfrotto articulating arm 196AB-2
$27.95 from B&H
- 1X Manfrotto 037 Reversible Short Stud, with 3/8" & 1/4"-20 Threads (Brass) $5.95 B&H (This converts the 3/8 female on the one end of MY arm to a 1/4X20 male for attaching the quick release unit. Note: My arm is really old. Newer ones may not require this stud ( ask B&H)
-1 X Brandess Kalt/Aetna Tripod Quick Release Model:NP590TR
$13.99 PennCamera.com This makes attachment/detachment of the monitor to the arm or other support- quick, simple and safe!

Tried mounting LCD on the camera (based on very good Cartoni tripod), but the whole contraption becomes rather shaky due to center of gravity being too high now.

I'm thinking of mounting the monitor to the tripod's leg instead with Noga, or to a completely separate stand.

I need to rotate monitor in different directions before and during the shoot *without inducing camera shake*.

Also I need to be able to pan/tilt the cam without the monitor vibrating on top of it...

What is your experience with monitor mounting?

howironicman

2008 September 9th, 00:54

Hey Zeph,

Do you have a 35mm adapter on your rig? I'm thinking no but I could be wrong, just 'cause your image wasn't flipped in the camera's LCD.

zephyrnoid

2008 September 9th, 11:17

No 35mm adapter for mine. But you know, with a an elbow bracket like what I use, how difficult would it be to turn the monitor upside down? Not difficult at all. I'll shoot some pics for you all soon.:hv20-smilie77:

Hey Zeph,

Do you have a 35mm adapter on your rig? I'm thinking no but I could be wrong, just 'cause your image wasn't flipped in the camera's LCD.

zephyrnoid

2008 September 13th, 22:19

No sooner had I ordered the frame to build the 7.2" enclosure than a really easy grundgeworks DIY solution appeared. I was browsing my local cigar shop when I noticed a tower of empty wooden cigar boxes for sale ( $2-$3) each. Darn if a couple didn't have just the right dimensions to build a DIY Monitor enclosure. I'm committed to the system I used before but if anyone out there wants to try doing it with a cigar box, head down to your local cigar shop and beg or buy a box from them. I'm not talking about the paper covered boxes with paper hinges, but the really nicely made wooden boxes with metal hinges.

ryvac

2008 September 14th, 08:06

wounderful tutorial zephyronid!!!

by the way, If you don't mind can you post up the layout you had for the connecting parts? (PDF file or something?)

that would be great.

zephyrnoid

2008 September 14th, 10:45

Hi RYVAC
Not sure what you mean by "connecting parts"?
wounderful tutorial zephyronid!!!

by the way, If you don't mind can you post up the layout you had for the connecting parts? (PDF file or something?)

that would be great.

AlexR

2008 September 14th, 10:59

I usually try to save $$$ and DIY things (with variable degree of success :)

Truly, I personally would never been able to make the same lightweight, pro looking, 4-mounts-on-all-sides, sturdy, barely larger than monitor size enclosure that John made.

Yes, I wish it was cheaper.

But if you look at which assembled monitors of similar kind are available... first of all there are none with these good specs; and second, none in this price range still (even with John's $$$ enclosure factored in.)

Personally I thought all of the above was worth the extra cost.

BTW, I finally decided to (mostly) mount the monitor on its own separate, super light stand that I already had. It is a cheap $20 aluminum photo tripod, and it was sitting in my closet since its quick release plate was missing. I just fitted a knuckle on it, and monitor sits there pretty well. Now I can be *sure* that by repositioning monitor, I'm not shaking the picture - since the monitor is Not mounted on the same support as camera.

But I did order the arm zephyrnoid kindly referenced a few days ago - just to have options :)

ryvac

2008 September 15th, 01:12

Hi

I just wanted to know if you could post up this part as a PDF file or something so some people can just copy the layout to their case.
thanks

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m206/ryvac/vectorize1.jpg

Shrigg

2008 September 15th, 14:01

Hi

I just wanted to know if you could post up this part as a PDF file or something so some people can just copy the layout to their case.
thanks

Or even the Mac Freehand file for those of us that can open it. :)

zephyrnoid

2008 September 15th, 14:51

JPG seems to be the only SIZE the HV20.com server will allow.
You could e-mail me if you need an editable EPS, PDF or FH file.
Cheers & Enjoy.

PS. SHRIGG asked about the buttons template. I can't find it, but when I do I'll post/send it to you all as well.
Tooo many projects, too little help.

zephyrnoid

2008 September 15th, 21:43

Just for grins I bought 2 perfect cigar boxes for the 7.2" kit . The guys in the Cigar Shop thought I was nuts (don't they always?) Anyway. I have one to spare if anyone want to pay shipping plus $2.00 for it. Or, hunt down a:
Romeo Y Julieta, paper covered, for 27 Belicosos (Habana Reserve). This is a bit too deep for the kit but the rest of the dimensions are ideal. Smells great too ;)

t_prakash

2008 September 19th, 06:26

Hi African Marty and Everyone,

Same Naive Strikes Back again .... Some questions on Framing and Mounting of the 7.5" LCD Kit.

1. Suggestions on the creation of Frame ... i would want to be able to attach the monitor on to a tripod and to a steadicam. So what are the connectivity options that it need to have in order to be able to support it.

2. I have bought a "Bogen / Manfrotto 293 Telephoto Lens Support with Quick Release", do i need a rail support in addition? (like to add follow focus system or a Mattebox). I have ordered a TwoneilHD and awaiting for the shipment.

3. I have bought a "Velbon DV-7000 Tripod", now looking for a good steadicam. What are the best models in your opinion?

Thanks,
Prakash

zephyrnoid

2008 September 19th, 13:06

t_prakash

2008 September 19th, 17:48

Prakash. You KNOW that if you bothered to actually look at this thread, plenty of monitor support options have been discussed. For a fee, I can collect them for you and e-mail them to you. Just let me have your PayPal account to send an invoice to ;)

Hi Zephyrnoid :hv20-smilie24:, thanks for pitching in .. i did had a look .. but actually got confused (i am quite new to this). trust me i am haven't being lazy but just couldn't comprehend. My paypal account PLEASE_HELP@paypal.com :hv20-smilie119:

Cheers,
Prakash

africanmarty

2008 September 19th, 21:54

1. i would recommend a metal frame ( although i made my first out of wood and painted it black, my second is metal and is much prefered ) you can buy premade cases for you LCD, but i belive you must just cut out all the inputs connections. Thats the route i would go. There are sites mentioned in this thread for obtaining a metal frame. for tripod support i would ask around as i just used bits i had lying around.

2.As long at this support system is taking the weight off the HV's plastic threads then it will be ok, but looking at the pic i'm not sure... test it before you use it long term. I would use a rail system personally but try yours and see as it just looks like a strap holding it down ( wich might add more weight on the treads ).

3. i Dont own a steady cam so i cant comment. But i'm sure others will chime in.

t_prakash

2008 September 19th, 22:05

africanmarty

2008 September 19th, 22:33

anytime :hv20-smilie77:

zephyrnoid

2008 September 21st, 19:50

Here's the Drill template for IN connections on the Pixelworks display board from Manhattan LCD to be used in making access ports in one side of a Neilsen 35-20 chop. I'm building the enclosure for the Sharp 7.2" kit and have decided to run my ports out the left side (leaving the top & bottom free for mounting bushing).

AlexR

2008 September 23rd, 13:55

t_prakash

2008 September 24th, 05:06

Have a close look at the project page...
http://imagometrics.com/FLReviews/Tosh10.9encl.htm
for (same as camera) tripod mounting, I really like the Bogen/manfrotto articulating arm set up. i've also attached a cheap Kalt/ Aetna camera quick release to get the monitor on and off the arm quickly. So I clamp the one end of the arm to a tripod leg , roughly position and lock down the arm, attach the monitor via the quick release and then make small adjustments of the monitor positioning and angle.
I'll be shooting better pics of this system when I get out on location this week.
The support parts pictured are:
- 1X Manfrotto 2940 - to attach to the tripod leg or a stand or whatever. $15.95 from B&H
- 1X Bogen / Manfrotto articulating arm 196AB-2
$27.95 from B&H
- 1X Manfrotto 037 Reversible Short Stud, with 3/8" & 1/4"-20 Threads (Brass) $5.95 B&H (This converts the 3/8 female on the one end of MY arm to a 1/4X20 male for attaching the quick release unit. Note: My arm is really old. Newer ones may not require this stud ( ask B&H)
-1 X Brandess Kalt/Aetna Tripod Quick Release Model:NP590TR
$13.99 PennCamera.com This makes attachment/detachment of the monitor to the arm or other support- quick, simple and safe!

Hi zephyrnoid,

I am not able to access this page” http://imagometrics.com/FLReviews/Tosh10.9encl.htm “, could you please post the images of your monitor mounting setup?

Cheers,
Prakash

zephyrnoid

2008 September 24th, 10:04

Why does it have to be mounted ON the monitor? I mount my 3450 in a custom designed BEC-TEK-01 holder which is mounted to the tripod or if I use a stand to hold the monitor, on that. The battery is too heavy to mount with the monitor.

What's the best way to mount Tekkeon 3450 battery on the monitor?

I have John's (mahnattanLCD) 10.9 enclosure.

Looks like the battery should go to the back of monitor for balance and not to significantly increase the size of assembly. But how to mount it?

zephyrnoid

2008 September 24th, 10:07

Thanks for the heads up. I forgot to warn my ISP of a credit card change- Oooops! Site should be accessible shortly. No point in my duplicating effort. Please be patient. Thanks!:hv20-smilie77:

Hi zephyrnoid,

I am not able to access this page” http://imagometrics.com/FLReviews/Tosh10.9encl.htm “, could you please post the images of your monitor mounting setup?

Cheers,
Prakash

t_prakash

2008 September 24th, 10:41

AlexR

2008 September 24th, 16:59

The battery is too heavy to mount with the monitor.

Not really... I got it on the monitor's back from day one - with gaffer's tape :)

Just looking for a bit more professional solution than that :)

zephyrnoid

2008 September 24th, 21:27

OK. I paid my dues and the site is back online.
look at this picture...
http://imagometrics.com/images/10.9Images/GrpB.jpg
ON the left is the MONITOR support bracket.
Notice the Tekkeon 3450 is mounted in the BECT-TEK-01 holder which using manfrotto parts, clamps onto a tripod leg or light stand. I like taking weight off of the monitor and my camera bracket. A battery this heavy belongs on it's own.
For more info on BEC-TEK-01 holders I refer you to other posts on HV20.com
:hv20-smilie70:

Not really... I got it on the monitor's back from day one - with gaffer's tape :)

Just looking for a bit more professional solution than that :)

zephyrnoid

2008 September 24th, 21:41

BTW....
We just finished the 7.2" Build using Neilsen 35-20 enclosure solution. Nice! Makes the 10.9 look really big. Pictures to follow on Http://www.gearninja.com and of course, right here in the DIY Thread.

antiplastik

2008 September 25th, 18:27

So where's that post zephyrnoid? I've been checking this thread all day.

Hi, I'm the new guy and I'd be happy to join this uber cool thread here.
I have some questions and maybe some new ideas as well.

I'm also getting a 7.2" together.
I live in Austria, so not far from the guy behind diy-beamers. I asked him about restocking the 7.2" sets, but he didn't respond yet. Does one of you know wether he also has the battery 12v 24v issue upgrade as the manhattan guy?

About case design:
I don't know if you have that in the US, but here there's a metal factory and they produce metal in any shape and material you wish. They have an online editor that let's you create the stuff and they ship it to you. You can even have precise cutouts, grids and so on, anything. A simple 2 piece creation made of steel sheet would cost about 32 €. And that's worth saving the trouble of getting, cutting and bending the metal myself for me.

Also I like stuff that looks pro and real. They even apply a paintjob of your choice. How cool is that?!

Other question:
What material would be best to use on the case? Steel plate? Stainless steel? Advanced Stainless Steel? Aluminum (isn't it too soft for a sturdy construction?)

And why are all the cases (also of the "real" monitors) so thick?
Is it because the controller board is thicker than it looks to me? Or is it a cooling thing? If it's the second, how "thin" can I build my 7 inch?

Also, are there any ideas/opinions about cooling, heat control? Best materials to use, controller board swapped backwards, holes on the top and side for good airflow maybe?

Those are a lot of questions. I'd be happy if you'd share your knowledge though.

Cheers

Duke

2008 September 25th, 18:40

What's the best way to mount Tekkeon 3450 battery on the monitor? I have John's (mahnattanLCD) 10.9 enclosure.

Looks like the battery should go to the back of monitor for balance and not to significantly increase the size of assembly. But how to mount it?

The battery case looks so sleek and modern I didn't feel the need to hide it, and it's thin enough that it doesn't make it off balance.

I mounted the Tekkeon 3450 to the back of the monitor with 2.5" wide velcro that has industrial strength glue on it when you buy it at Home Depot. It holds it plenty tight and I can remove it for storage.

AlexR

2008 September 25th, 19:08

Duke - did you velcro the sleeve or the battery itself?

Could you post photos by any chance?

I have 3m dual lock on order instead of velcro :)

zephyrnoid

2008 September 25th, 20:25

I'll try to respond with a quick summary. The 7.2" project really burned me out (problems with the frame sizing etc. cost me a week of downtime) so I'm pretty tired.
-Not sure if DIY Beamers has the manhattan buck circuit or not. I know they have yet to respond to any of my e-mails.
-"A simple 2 piece creation made of steel sheet would cost about 32 €" Pardon me if I'm skeptical of that price. Show us please.
-"Aluminum (isn't it too soft for a sturdy construction?)" The aluminum that is used in the Neilsen 35-20 frame molding that I use is T5 Alloy. It is not pure aluminum. In addition, the moldings are extruded, not cast or stamped, so they are VERY strong indeed. In fact, drilling out the portholes with a hand drill is a bit of a PAIN.
-The great thing about the Neilsen 35-20 solution is that it provides surface, structure and customizable sizing in 4 pieces. You have to add the base (thin 1mm Aluminum sheet) and that is all.
-The Neilsen 35-20 is 'so thick' because that's how it comes from the factory, BUT, by the time that you've loaded it with the screen, CKT board and stuffed all your wires in the free space, the rest is NICE ventilation. The CPU gets really hot and hence, it's protected with a dedicated heat-sink but even a heatsink needs some room to breath, especially in a CLOSED enclosure, as are the Neilsen types. The perforated boxes are great for ventilation.
Finally, Manhattan LCD are committed to giving customers the option of buying fully enclosed monitors and their pricing is very reasonable when you consider the time/materials cost of DIY.
:hv20-smilie70:

So where's that post zephyrnoid? I've been checking this thread all day.

Hi, I'm the new guy and I'd be happy to join this uber cool thread here.
I have some questions and maybe some new ideas as well.

I'm also getting a 7.2" together.
I live in Austria, so not far from the guy behind diy-beamers. I asked him about restocking the 7.2" sets, but he didn't respond yet. Does one of you know wether he also has the battery 12v 24v issue upgrade as the manhattan guy?

About case design:
I don't know if you have that in the US, but here there's a metal factory and they produce metal in any shape and material you wish. They have an online editor that let's you create the stuff and they ship it to you. You can even have precise cutouts, grids and so on, anything. A simple 2 piece creation made of steel sheet would cost about 32 €. And that's worth saving the trouble of getting, cutting and bending the metal myself for me.

Also I like stuff that looks pro and real. They even apply a paintjob of your choice. How cool is that?!

Other question:
What material would be best to use on the case? Steel plate? Stainless steel? Advanced Stainless Steel? Aluminum (isn't it too soft for a sturdy construction?)

And why are all the cases (also of the "real" monitors) so thick?
Is it because the controller board is thicker than it looks to me? Or is it a cooling thing? If it's the second, how "thin" can I build my 7 inch?

Also, are there any ideas/opinions about cooling, heat control? Best materials to use, controller board swapped backwards, holes on the top and side for good airflow maybe?

Those are a lot of questions. I'd be happy if you'd share your knowledge though.

Cheers

zephyrnoid

2008 September 25th, 20:28

That's an excellent solution and much cheaper than my BEC-TEK-01 holder:hv20-smilie77:
BTW- We've voted Velcro one of the top ten greatest inventions of the past 50 years.:hv20-smilie77:

The battery case looks so sleek and modern I didn't feel the need to hide it, and it's thin enough that it doesn't make it off balance.

I mounted the Tekkeon 3450 to the back of the monitor with 2.5" wide velcro that has industrial strength glue on it when you buy it at Home Depot. It holds it plenty tight and I can remove it for storage.

antiplastik

2008 September 26th, 04:16

zephyrnoid

2008 September 26th, 09:33

OK
I see. They make boxes from folded flat sheets. someone on this forum has done the same by hand. Depth of the box depends on the particular controller board because the MST controller is not as deep as the Pixelworks board. That's because the pixelworks board has the Component inputs stacked. So I'd say 1"-1.25" of space is just right for the MST board kit and 1.5"-1.75" is right if using the Pixelworks board. Don't fret too much about the depth. The key is to get the LengthXWidth measurements perfect so that the components are supported by the sides and there's no space wastage in those directions. Be aware that you may need to include internal reinforcements at the mount points. We'll be watching your build. Allow me to suggest that you document everything with pictures and precise text.
- Pictures
- Exact measurements
- Process
- Part List
- Sources
- Cost
Danke !:hv20-smilie70:

Thanks a lot!
Well, it's kind of hard to prove unless you speak German. This is their site:
http://www.mm4u.com/default/1001/1/0/0/metall-nach-mass.html
I just tried, it should also work without German knowledge. It has a lot of pictures. At the end you have to click on the button that says "Teil anzeigen" opn the lower right, then you get the price and even a 3d view if you want. I like this company.

So how "thick" do you think I should make my case?

Duke

2008 September 26th, 09:41

Duke - did you velcro the sleeve or the battery itself?

Could you post photos by any chance?

I have 3m dual lock on order instead of velcro :)

I'm not sure what you mean by sleeve as the battery is all one piece. I don't have Z's battery stacker. One battery lasts around 3 hours. If you need longer life use Z's battery stacker.

A photo won't show anything as it's simply the Tekkeon stuck to the center of the case, vertically, with velcro.

antiplastik

2008 September 26th, 09:42

OK
I see. They make boxes from folded flat sheets. someone on this forum has done the same by hand. Depth of the box depends on the particular controller board because the MST controller is not as deep as the Pixelworks board. That's because the pixelworks board has the Component inputs stacked. So I'd say 1"-1.25" of space is just right for the MST board kit and 1.5"-1.75" is right if using the Pixelworks board. Don't fret too much about the depth. The key is to get the LengthXWidth measurements perfect so that the components are supported by the sides and there's no space wastage in those directions. Be aware that you may need to include internal reinforcements at the mount points. We'll be watching your build. Allow me to suggest that you document everything with pictures and precise text.
- Pictures
- Exact measurements
- Process
- Part List
- Sources
- Cost
Danke !:hv20-smilie70:

Ok I'll do that. I'll make a nice tutorial.
First thing I'll try to get in touch with the guy from diy-beamer.

Cheers

:hv20-smilie70:

AlexR

2008 September 26th, 09:45

Mine came with faux-leather sleeve. So in my case, I won't need to put the mounting strips on the battery itself...

How large is your monitor?

With John's 10.9 in enclosure, connector would stick out if I positioned the battery vertically.

So I'm planning on mounting it horizontally, then the wires are neatly positioned behind the monitor.

antiplastik

2008 September 26th, 13:46

That's because the pixelworks board has the Component inputs stacked.

What if I detached the Component inputs or removed just one of them, wouldn't it help getting the thing less deep?
Also maybe cutting down the cables to their needed length could make for a better airflow.

The whole controllerboard is just too damn big.
What is this little additional board that's attached on one of the sides? Can it be removed or moved? Does something have to go into that broad connector with lot's of pins right next to it? Can that be removed?

There has to be a way to make it smaller somehow.

zephyrnoid

2008 September 26th, 22:07

RE:"The whole controllerboard is just too damn big."
Compared to what? There's nothing else like these kits on the market. The Pixelworks board is not that much bigger than the screen and as you will see, the extra height accommodates the pushbutton cluster.

The component 'IN' on the Pixelworks board is an integrated cluster, you'd have to de-solder the whole cluster and then just insert one row and then, figure out how that would effect the CKT itself. The reason that the Pixelworks board has 2 HDMI inputs and 2 sets of Component inputs is that the CKT board allows for PIP display from two separate sources. This is a nice feature for some users. The extra 5mm depth caused by the extra row is hardly anything to loose sleep over. Please tell us what the big deal is regarding the depth of the boxes? Cutting the internal cabling down would help with tidiness if you can be bothered with attempting to successfully rewire the deal (I'm not) Two secondary CKT 's that you see in pictures are:
- Buck circuit ( Pixelworks Controller) and a similar CKT on the MST.
- Pushbutton controls
You need everything.
:hv20-smilie77:

What if I detached the Component inputs or removed just one of them, wouldn't it help getting the thing less deep?
Also maybe cutting down the cables to their needed length could make for a better airflow.

The whole controllerboard is just too damn big.
What is this little additional board that's attached on one of the sides? Can it be removed or moved? Does something have to go into that broad connector with lot's of pins right next to it? Can that be removed?

There has to be a way to make it smaller somehow.

antiplastik

2008 September 27th, 06:42

:hv20-smilie87:
Ok. Well, I'm trying.
The big deal is just that I want as little as possible blocking my sight when I work handheld. The deepness just bothers me because it looks bulky to me. But I guess with purpose comes the cost.
This screen must have an amazing ppi rate. I'm looking forward to seeing it, but the guy from diy-beamer still doesn't respond,... and maybe never will: His news section is a year old.

Thanks for explaining all that stuff.

zephyrnoid

2008 September 27th, 23:41

NewsFlash!
I have an extra set of Neilsen 35-20 Chops for building an enclosure for the 7.2" Kit.
I have NO intention of doing it again (each one takes about 30 hrs to do properly).
I'd be willing to sell this extra frame ( actually 5 sections - 4 +1 extra side section). PM me if interested. I'll provide my templates and tips.

africanmarty

2008 September 28th, 00:43

so is anyone else selling the 7.2 kit ??? also is the 7.2 720p or what ?

antiplastik

2008 September 28th, 06:02

I don't think you can get the 7.2" anywhere else than at manhattanlcd at the moment. Maybe lumenlab still has some.

I'll go for aluminum for my enclosure by the way. I think it feels more solid. Aluminum is 1/3 of steels weight but also softer so you need to make thicker.

Then I'll send the aluminum parts to a facility that will do a powder coating on it. You know those weather resistant rough black metal surfaces.

Does anybody know where I can get these handles:

http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0506063/myspace/505392.jpg

Those would look really cool and support the sturdy feel.

Cheers

zephyrnoid

2008 September 28th, 10:48

The handles? Sure. IKEA. Pretty much any modern modular kitchen supply will stock them.

I don't think you can get the 7.2" anywhere else than at manhattanlcd at the moment. Maybe lumenlab still has some.

I'll go for aluminum for my enclosure by the way. I think it feels more solid. Aluminum is 1/3 of steels weight but also softer so you need to make thicker.

Then I'll send the aluminum parts to a facility that will do a powder coating on it. You know those weather resistant rough black metal surfaces.

Does anybody know where I can get these handles:

http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0506063/myspace/505392.jpg

Those would look really cool and support the sturdy feel.

Cheers

craftech

2008 September 28th, 16:34

David

2008 September 28th, 16:40

http://morenclosures.com/handl_round.htm

John

Nice first post John. Thanks :hv20-smilie77:

antiplastik

2008 September 29th, 14:12

The handles? Sure. IKEA. Pretty much any modern modular kitchen supply will stock them.

:hv20-smilie87: PERFECT!
DIY 2 the max! :hv20-smilie77:

http://morenclosures.com/handl_round.htm (http://morenclosures.com/handl_round.htm) is also ok, but no no have here in Europe.
Ikea is around the corner.

antiplastik

2008 September 29th, 19:00

What about glass? How tough is the screen? What kind of protection would you apply if any?

zephyrnoid

2008 September 29th, 21:16

Your timing is perfect on that Q. I was just meditating on it.
What I love about these screens is that they are coated with an anti-reflective material that cuts glare substantially. This helps keep specular reflections from messing up the view and increases perceived contrast. The coatings require care. I spray ALL my screens with a quick shot of Brillianize and polish them now and then to keep this coating in top shape. Unfortunately, these screens, like all LCD's are delicate and yes, I will be using an easily removeable 1/16" thick polycarbonate shield (magnetic attachment) to prevent damage in the field. Because this shield will nullify the anti-reflection coating, I'll only keep it there if damage risk is high.For transport, I made a nice folding screen hood that when folded, matches the monitor's face exactly. This is rubber banded together with the screen for transport. Tomorrow I shoot the 7.2" and 10.9" for the magazine so look for pictures here and at gearninja.com in a week.:hv20-smilie72::hv20-smilie77:

What about glass? How tough is the screen? What kind of protection would you apply if any?

antiplastik

2008 September 29th, 21:36

Your timing is perfect on that Q. I was just meditating on it.
What I love about these screens is that they are coated with an anti-reflective material that cuts glare substantially. This helps keep specular reflections from messing up the view and increases perceived contrast. The coatings require care. I spray ALL my screens with a quick shot of Brillianize and polish them now and then to keep this coating in top shape. Unfortunately, these screens, like all LCD's are delicate and yes, I will be using an easily removeable 1/16" thick polycarbonate shield (magnetic attachment) to prevent damage in the field. Because this shield will nullify the anti-reflection coating, I'll only keep it there if damage risk is high.For transport, I made a nice folding screen hood that when folded, matches the monitor's face exactly. This is rubber banded together with the screen for transport. Tomorrow I shoot the 7.2" and 10.9" for the magazine so look for pictures here and at gearninja.com in a week.:hv20-smilie72::hv20-smilie77:

Cool! Looking forward to your shots. Just an idea: I realized it's hard to tell the real size of all the displays I've seen in this forum. Maybe you should put a familiar object like a pen or credit card next to the screen to get an idea of it's real size.

Love the magnetic protection thingy idea btw!
I thought about less reflective hardened glass, but I don't know how much it costs yet. And there would still be quite a lot of reflection to mess up the screens glory I guess.

antiplastik

2008 September 30th, 05:30

I just talked to the guy from diy-beamer on the phone:

He told me the price of the 7.2 inch display has gone up and therefore he's not selling it right now. But he also said he'd get a brand new 8.9 inch screen with a new controller. He kept repeating that the set is going to be amazing (400:1, and wxga), so let's hope for the best. I'll wait and see how it looks. He estimated the 10th of October.

craftech

2008 September 30th, 08:39

:hv20-smilie87: PERFECT!
DIY 2 the max! :hv20-smilie77:

http://morenclosures.com/handl_round.htm (http://morenclosures.com/handl_round.htm) is also ok, but no no have here in Europe.
Ikea is around the corner.

Someone in Europe must carry the Hammon line.

Hammond Electronics Limited
1 Onslow Close
Kingsland Business Park
Basingstoke, Hampshire, RG24 8QL
England

Tel: +44 1256 812812
Fax: +44 1256 332249
Websites:
www.hammfg.com (Electrical)
www.hammondmfg.com (Electronic)

Email: sales@hammond-electronics.co.uk

John

zephyrnoid

2008 September 30th, 09:44

Please click through the link I offered to my picture of the 10.9 RIGHT NEXT TO the HV20's flip-out screen. THAT's scale enough I believe. Shooting the 7.2" now...similar picture. No point in sourcing coated glass to cover coated glass. 1/6" clear polycarbonate should do the trick.. :hv20-smilie77:

Cool! Looking forward to your shots. Just an idea: I realized it's hard to tell the real size of all the displays I've seen in this forum. Maybe you should put a familiar object like a pen or credit card next to the screen to get an idea of it's real size.

Love the magnetic protection thingy idea btw!
I thought about less reflective hardened glass, but I don't know how much it costs yet. And there would still be quite a lot of reflection to mess up the screens glory I guess.

zephyrnoid

2008 September 30th, 09:47

Yes. the 8.9 will be amazing for picture and value. But is there a point to preferring it over the 7.2" for focusing purposes? Not really. For field use, smaller, lighter = better. I only wish they'd stop jacking up the prices.:hv20-smilie119:

I just talked to the guy from diy-beamer on the phone:

He told me the price of the 7.2 inch display has gone up and therefore he's not selling it right now. But he also said he'd get a brand new 8.9 inch screen with a new controller. He kept repeating that the set is going to be amazing (400:1, and wxga), so let's hope for the best. I'll wait and see how it looks. He estimated the 10th of October.

antiplastik

2008 September 30th, 10:45

Yes. the 8.9 will be amazing for picture and value. But is there a point to preferring it over the 7.2" for focusing purposes? Not really. For field use, smaller, lighter = better. I only wish they'd stop jacking up the prices.:hv20-smilie119:

I agree. But the controller board of the 7,2" makes it so much bigger than it could be. Maybe the 8,9" board is less deep and smaller than the lcd itself. This could make the 8,9" less bulky than the 7".

This is the absolute minimum width and height I could aquire:
It's just a sketch nothing more. It would mean some cutting off of the lcds metal edges and seperating the led part from the button bar.

antiplastik

2008 September 30th, 15:00

Maybe it's even a pixelworks board on the 8.9". I heard they're better. But I think you know the most about it. And smallhd is also going for the 8.9" size. I'll wait.

The bulky thing at the top of my sketch could house a foldable additional handle. But design needs to improve. Any ideas? Is zephyrnoid the only one who reads this thread?

zephyrnoid

2008 September 30th, 15:04

Maybe. Your rendering looks EXACTLY like the 7.2. Just finished shooting it all, just PS cleanup later today. Stay tuned...

I agree. But the controller board of the 7,2" makes it so much bigger than it could be. Maybe the 8,9" board is less deep and smaller than the lcd itself. This could make the 8,9" less bulky than the 7".

This is the absolute minimum width and height I could aquire:
It's just a sketch nothing more. It would mean some cutting off of the lcds metal edges and seperating the led part from the button bar.

antiplastik

2008 September 30th, 17:53

Maybe. Your rendering looks EXACTLY like the 7.2. Just finished shooting it all, just PS cleanup later today. Stay tuned...

:hv20-smilie87: hehe, well not much of a choice, is there?!
Unfortunately today means tomorrow in pal land. I'm just still awake cause I missed studying for an exam tomorrow and have to do it all now at night.

zephyrnoid

2008 September 30th, 21:41

OK. Sloppy first pics. I have to reshoot a bunch of them.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/zephyrnoid/72_DIY.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/zephyrnoid/DSCN1604.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/zephyrnoid/DSCN1608.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/zephyrnoid/DSCN1609.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/zephyrnoid/DSCN1625.jpg
Size comparison between 7.2" & 10.9" & Canon HV30.
NOTES:
• The cut-out window was nasty to make. I only had 1/32" mild Aluminum sheet. I ended up laminating the two sheets to each other under the pressure of a stack of books- using JB WELD ( wonderful stuff) as the binder.
The result was a VERY strong sheet about 3/32 thick, To cut the window I used a WOOD chisel to cut the window and finished the edge with a Dremel. Whew! WaterJet or Laser cutting would have cost me $80.
•Be careful handling some of these kits as soldered cables tend to come off their contact points easily.
•I discovered a neat ball head made by Magmount. It uses a strong rare earth magnet to make the connection between the head ad the quick-release plate. There's a 'confidence' clip to ensure the plate doesn't accidentally come off the head. The magnet's strength is just right for 7.2" monitor.
• Net weight: 7.2" + the magmount plate= 916 gm, Folding DIY hood= 138gm
More later...:hv20-smilie71:

harshvfx

2008 October 1st, 00:08

So when is someone going to start building and selling these? And how much? =0
I just purchased the upside down rig from indifocus, and would like it to mount like Shrigg has his.

antiplastik

2008 October 1st, 07:19

Great work zeph! I love it, and I wish I had mine already, waaah droool!
Your photos are great. I especially liked that you marked the buttons. Now they finally make some sense ;)
The only thing for me is the material underneath the symbols, it looks "dirty" but maybe that's only the pictures.
Overall this looks like an awesome diy monitor. Thanks for sharing it.
By the way, your tutorial on the 10.9" is amazing! Love the detail you put into this, reminds me of how I also do things. This is the way to go.

@harshvfx:
I don't think this is a simple task. Look at the guys from smallhd. As far as I know they have been working on it for quite some time now, and still nothing.
Additionally: When you buy the pixelworks controller for example, do you have the right to resell it's software in a commercial product? I don't know the answer to that question. I'm sure there's a lot more rights bs that has to be checked, paid, etc before you can actually distribute such a thing. Certificates, And all that drives up the costs. At the end you reach the price any other monitor on the market costs.

But I guess nobody minds if I produced only a small amount of monitors and sold them privately, right?!
Moreover the way I'm designing them makes for an easy reproduction as I let my case be made by a third party. So there's not as much hard work in it as for zeph for example.
Let me think about it after the prototype.

zephyrnoid

2008 October 1st, 14:14

The only thing for me is the material underneath the symbols, it looks "dirty" but maybe that's only the pictures.
The challenge with the labels- getting white on back labels that are accurately positioned beneath their respective button. I thought about Dymo. I ended up simply making a printout on my inkjet and then covered the label strip with a layer of clear packing tape. the 'dirt' you're seeing is reflections off the wavy packing tape. It's a temporary solution. transfer lettering is another route.
@harshvfx:
I don't think this is a simple task. Look at the guys from smallhd. As far as I know they have been working on it for quite some time now, and still nothing.
DIY is a pain. We all know it. We do it to prove that we can, that we can produce for 1/10 the cost, what can be bought at retail.We also do it to get something in hand that is customized to our exact specs.
....And all that drives up the costs. At the end you reach the price any other monitor on the market costs. At what I make in my day job- that is absolutely true!

Moreover the way I'm designing them makes for an easy reproduction as I let my case be made by a third party. So there's not as much hard work in it as for zeph for example.
Gosh yes. I originally planned to produce them via a pre-fab enclosure, I believe that you may have discovered the first viable solution- though I know Manhattan LCD is releasing their own now too.
Let me think about it after the prototype.

Finally- There is and has always been a huge market for small scale DIY. Once 1000 people have succeeded in building a contraption that fills a market gap or simply trounces market prices ( as these LCD monitors do) THEN do the big boys jump in on the act.:hv20-smilie77:

antiplastik

2008 October 2nd, 06:31

@ zephyrnoid:
The first picture is really amazing. I love the colors. Dark grey and deep colors are sort of my thing.
I was wondering: Why did you put the manhattan lcd logo onto it? Do you have a deal with them or something? Or will they use it?

Concerning your quoted answers: :hv20-smilie77:

johnzo1995

2008 October 2nd, 10:44

zephyrnoid

2008 October 2nd, 11:00

The Manhattan LCD Logo is on that page because it will be an AD for them on GearNinja.com . Our parent company, Imago Metrics designed their new logo so, call it a 'double plug' if you will. Manhattan LCD is in a unique position. They offer the kits for DIY or the complete and finished manufactured monitors- take your pick. Given what DIY costs in REAL time, I'd say their Off The Shelf (OTS) is the cheaper route by far. YMMV

antiplastik

2008 October 3rd, 05:59

antiplastik

2008 October 3rd, 06:01

For people in USA, I will also carry it. Price is TBA.

Thank you Johnzo. So I guess you're the person I talked to on the phone. Could you tells us the shape of the controller? Will it be bigger than the lcd, like on the 7.2", or will it be in a similar shape like on the 10.6"?

antiplastik

2008 October 3rd, 06:03

Someone in Europe must carry the Hammon line.

Hammond Electronics Limited
1 Onslow Close
Kingsland Business Park
Basingstoke, Hampshire, RG24 8QL
England

Tel: +44 1256 812812
Fax: +44 1256 332249
Websites:
www.hammfg.com (Electrical)
www.hammondmfg.com (Electronic)

Email: sales@hammond-electronics.co.uk

John

Yes I think they do. In the meantime I found a different European seller who has the stuff in aluminum, which I prefer over steel.

zephyrnoid

2008 October 3rd, 09:00

My relationship to Manhattan LCD, John Reed actually- is very limited. There's nothing that I know or can ask, that you cannot ask as well. He is after all, a forum member:hv20-smilie77: I'm not sure what you mean by rights. When a component is purchased wholesale, it's expected that it will be incorporated into a new materialization. Manhattan LCD makes no claim on the software or components (that I know of) they DO have their logo on the 12V>24V Buck circuit that's required to make the 7.2 Kit a viable solution for a battery powered field monitor. So I guess thy 'own' that piece at least. Years ago a friend and I used to buy Radio Shack computers, strip the logo off and program them for the world's first CNC animation stands! No problem as it was the software that we were selling. MLCD is a reseller- I doubt they lay any claim to innovation in the circuitry.:hv20-smilie03:

Absolutely, it's great what they do. So you have a connection to Manhattanlcd. Could you ask them how they're dealing with all the rights? Or are they doing it mafia style?

antiplastik

2008 October 3rd, 11:35

My relationship to Manhattan LCD, John Reed actually- is very limited. There's nothing that I know or can ask, that you cannot ask as well. He is after all, a forum member:hv20-smilie77: I'm not sure what you mean by rights. When a component is purchased wholesale, it's expected that it will be incorporated into a new materialization. Manhattan LCD makes no claim on the software or components (that I know of) they DO have their logo on the 12V>24V Buck circuit that's required to make the 7.2 Kit a viable solution for a battery powered field monitor. So I guess thy 'own' that piece at least. Years ago a friend and I used to buy Radio Shack computers, strip the logo off and program them for the world's first CNC animation stands! No problem as it was the software that we were selling. MLCD is a reseller- I doubt they lay any claim to innovation in the circuitry.:hv20-smilie03:

I'll ask him.
I'm just interested wether you have to purchase any rights when doing such a thing. If everything turns out well on my design, it would be cool to have other people use it too.
I imagine it's difficult, but I wanna know how difficult it really is.

craftech

2008 October 3rd, 17:27

My relationship to Manhattan LCD, John Reed actually- is very limited. There's nothing that I know or can ask, that you cannot ask as well. He is after all, a forum member:hv20-smilie77: I'm not sure what you mean by rights. When a component is purchased wholesale, it's expected that it will be incorporated into a new materialization. Manhattan LCD makes no claim on the software or components (that I know of) they DO have their logo on the 12V>24V Buck circuit that's required to make the 7.2 Kit a viable solution for a battery powered field monitor. So I guess thy 'own' that piece at least. Years ago a friend and I used to buy Radio Shack computers, strip the logo off and program them for the world's first CNC animation stands! No problem as it was the software that we were selling. MLCD is a reseller- I doubt they lay any claim to innovation in the circuitry.:hv20-smilie03:

Is the 10.9 inch unit you made really 12" x 14" ? That seems huge to deal with. Do you find it too big in the field?

One thing I don't like on the Manhattan LCD site is that they only list the diagonal screen dimensions instead of the actual length and width of the units. To a videographer, the latter is important.

Thanks,

John

zephyrnoid

2008 October 3rd, 23:00

I use the 10.9 for :
- extra feed for the director, sitting 10' behind the camera. it's mounted on a light stand at director's face height.
- Editing
I don't use the 10.9 mounted on the camera or tripod. For that, I use the 7.2"
I can measure the LXW in the AM. :hv20-smilie77:

Is the 10.9 inch unit you made really 12" x 14" ? That seems huge to deal with. Do you find it too big in the field?

One thing I don't like on the Manhattan LCD site is that they only list the diagonal screen dimensions instead of the actual length and width of the units. To a videographer, the latter is important.

Thanks,

John

craftech

2008 October 3rd, 23:18

t_prakash

2008 October 4th, 14:34

Hi all,

am looking for a monitor mounting solution for my 10.9 Toshiba Kit w/ MST (http://www.manhattanlcd.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=1001&Show=TechSpecs) that i bought from Manhattan.

I saw these two articulating arms but not sure of their pros and cons for the above monitor...

http://www.nebtek.com/proddetail.php?prod=IA-Noga_Arm_SUPR

http://www.filmtools.com/mini-cardellini-noga-arm.html

Looking for your suggestions!!!

Thanks,
Prakash

-Rogue5-

2008 October 4th, 14:35

Do the 7.2" monitors have the battery built into the casing? If not, what battery packs are you using or what is the amperage/voltage required for power purposes.

I'll definitely considering one if the price is low.

-Rogue5-

zephyrnoid

2008 October 4th, 23:28

No battery in the casing- Do you see one on the Manhattan LCD website ?;)
Battery> Tekkeon 3450 set at 9V.
PLease search around in this thread. All the answers are there.

Do the 7.2" monitors have the battery built into the casing? If not, what battery packs are you using or what is the amperage/voltage required for power purposes.

I'll definitely considering one if the price is low.

-Rogue5-

zephyrnoid

2008 October 4th, 23:31

Noga(AKA Israeli Arm is Overpriced IMHO. Try Bogen/Manfrotto arm I suggested or the Magic Arm if you insist. Bogen Super clamp is also overkill unless your tripod leg is wider than 1.25"
Hi all,

am looking for a monitor mounting solution for my 10.9 Toshiba Kit w/ MST (http://www.manhattanlcd.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=1001&Show=TechSpecs) that i bought from Manhattan.

I saw these two articulating arms but not sure of their pros and cons for the above monitor...

http://www.nebtek.com/proddetail.php?prod=IA-Noga_Arm_SUPR

http://www.filmtools.com/mini-cardellini-noga-arm.html

Looking for your suggestions!!!

Thanks,
Prakash

zephyrnoid

2008 October 4th, 23:47

Thanks Zeph,

If you would I'd appreciate the LXW for both units.

Regards,

John

• DIMENSIONS:
A- 10.9" (casing not including buttons or connections) W=10.75", H=6.5",D=2.125"
B- 7.2" (casing not including buttons or connections) W=7.5", H=7",D=2.125"
NET WEIGHT: 7.2" (including the magmount plate)= 916 gm (2Lbs), Folding DIY hood= 138gm (5oz)
* I haven't weighed the finished 10.9" yet.

t_prakash

2008 October 5th, 04:32

Noga(AKA Israeli Arm is Overpriced IMHO. Try Bogen/Manfrotto arm I suggested or the Magic Arm if you insist. Bogen Super clamp is also overkill unless your tripod leg is wider than 1.25"

Hi Zephyrnoid,

Could you kindly gimme the link for the Bogen/Manfratto arm (i tried googling it but came up with numerous results).

Cheers,
Prakash

zephyrnoid

2008 October 5th, 11:44

PLEASE do a more thorough job of searching because people eventually leave forums when fellow forumites exhibit distinct laziness and the rest are obliged to do your homework for you. Not fun and I have little patience for it.
The post in question is about 3 pages back in THIS thread here....
http://www.hv20.com/showpost.php?p=130723&postcount=809
The supplier is BHPhotoVideo.com
Thanks!

Hi Zephyrnoid,

Could you kindly gimme the link for the Bogen/Manfratto arm (i tried googling it but came up with numerous results).

Cheers,
Prakash

AlexR

2008 October 5th, 13:43

Found another, very compact, way to mount the monitor on tripod's leg or center column. See here at B&H (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/570554-REG/Delvcam_TT1047_LCD_MONITOR_MONOPOD_BOOM_POLE_MOUNT .html/BI/2187/KBID/2932).

craftech

2008 October 5th, 14:49

• DIMENSIONS:
A- 10.9" (casing not including buttons or connections) W=10.75", H=6.5",D=2.125"
B- 7.2" (casing not including buttons or connections) W=7.5", H=7",D=2.125"
NET WEIGHT: 7.2" (including the magmount plate)= 916 gm (2Lbs), Folding DIY hood= 138gm (5oz)
* I haven't weighed the finished 10.9" yet.

Thank you so much Zeph.

And thank you for all the help you give people here. We really appreciate it.

John :)

antiplastik

2008 October 5th, 17:20

Thank you so much Zeph.

And thank you for all the help you give people here. We really appreciate it.

John :)

Me too! Thanks Zeph! :hv20-smilie24:

zephyrnoid

2008 October 5th, 19:35

Don't embarrass me guys! It's fun and mutually beneficial to share and care. Big Bear Hug out to all my HV20.com buddies!:hv20-smilie70:

Me too! Thanks Zeph! :hv20-smilie24:

t_prakash

2008 October 6th, 12:26

zephyrnoid

2008 October 6th, 21:20

LAST CALL on a new Neilsen 35-20 frame kit for the 7.2" enclosure...
http://www.hv20.com/showpost.php?p=137114&postcount=1

antiplastik

2008 October 10th, 18:33

Hi Zeph,

Check out my new forum (link is my signature). I added a "field monitor" section in memory of this thread and I'll post my diy monitor there, as soon as I have time and the parts I need.

I'm still waiting for Johnzo to add the new lcd to his shop.

Cheers

zcream

2008 October 10th, 23:02

Has anyone seen the Proyector Barato LCD kit ? 179/- EUR
http://www.proyectorbarato.com/product_info.php?products_id=102&osCsid=c035bd44d7c47f9142fa1a4c8405e654

With the strong USD, it maybe a better idea getting that one..Has anyone used it, the controller seems to be a genesis controller and has DVI, not sure about the FFC though.

Anyone who has used it ??

leteeci

2008 October 11th, 01:54

No HDMI? No Component?

:(

zcream

2008 October 11th, 04:48

DVI-D is the same as HDMI, a simple adapter is all thats needed. 5/- bucks for adapter.

antiplastik

2008 October 11th, 05:32

zcream!
The Openframe 7,1" kit looks really cool! Unfortunately it's 4:3 and of course we need a 16:9 screen...
Also it has a lower resolution.
There's also another kit with a 7" 16:9 screen and the resultion is said to be:
800x600 native, 1280x1024 support. Whatever that means...?
Contrast ratio looks ok!

zephyrnoid

2008 October 11th, 09:41

OK.
Nicer job of the 7.2" AD is here...
http://gearninja.com/MLCD.html

zcream

2008 October 11th, 10:09

http://www.proyectorbarato.com/product_info.php?products_id=102&osCsid=9dce5fd9a3c2090adad1550a0e04ddc0

I think you looked at the wrong one. Its the 720P Sharp LCD with Genesis controller.

zcream!
The Openframe 7,1" kit looks really cool! Unfortunately it's 4:3 and of course we need a 16:9 screen...
Also it has a lower resolution.
There's also another kit with a 7" 16:9 screen and the resultion is said to be:
800x600 native, 1280x1024 support. Whatever that means...?
Contrast ratio looks ok!

antiplastik

2008 October 11th, 12:12

when i click your link i get to the sharp tft with genesis controller, and it has 4:3 aspect ratio. no 720p i see.

zephyrnoid

2008 October 11th, 17:58

This One (http://www.proyectorbarato.com/product_info.php?cPath=41&products_id=102&osCsid=9dce5fd9a3c2090adad1550a0e04ddc0) Looks like the same 7.2 screen Manhattan LCD sells but with a different controller board. Very interesting!:hv20-smilie77:

http://www.proyectorbarato.com/product_info.php?products_id=102&osCsid=9dce5fd9a3c2090adad1550a0e04ddc0

I think you looked at the wrong one. Its the 720P Sharp LCD with Genesis controller.

antiplastik

2008 October 11th, 18:13

This One (http://www.proyectorbarato.com/product_info.php?cPath=41&products_id=102&osCsid=9dce5fd9a3c2090adad1550a0e04ddc0) Looks like the same 7.2 screen Manhattan LCD sells but with a different controller board. Very interesting!:hv20-smilie77:

Guys, are you or my browser sh***ing me here?
All your links lead to a 7.1" screen that looks very different from the manhattan screen and is in no way in the same league. it has 4:3 and a low res.

zcream

2008 October 11th, 20:29

Here are the specs
>>>
OPENFRAME SHARP 7.1"

Especificaciones Técnicas:

Pantalla de resolución nativa 1024*768, y conexiones de vídeo: DVI, VGA, S-video y vídeo compuesto. Dispositivo de TV compatible con PAL/SECAM/NTSC y control remoto.

>>>

zephyrnoid, what do you think from the pics ? It seems to have long enough cables so there will be no FFC issue. And its about half the price...

gbreckley

2008 October 11th, 23:11

OK so i finally finished reading all 37 pages of this thread, I think what I want (if John is able to hit the price he mentioned) is a 8.9" complete monitor from manhattan LCD, any idea when this will be available, as I don't even see the bare LCD for sale on his site.

antiplastik

2008 October 12th, 07:01

Here are the specs
>>>
OPENFRAME SHARP 7.1"

Especificaciones Técnicas:

Pantalla de resolución nativa 1024*768, y conexiones de vídeo: DVI, VGA, S-video y vídeo compuesto. Dispositivo de TV compatible con PAL/SECAM/NTSC y control remoto.

Well! Then it's really not the 7.2" sharp from manhattanlcd...

zcream

2008 October 12th, 07:29

Its the same. Look at the model num and google for the specs. Dont know why people refer to it as 7.1 or 7.2

antiplastik

2008 October 12th, 07:55

Its the same. Look at the model num and google for the specs. Dont know why people refer to it as 7.1 or 7.2

But it has a different aspect ratio! Resolution is sxga not wxga.
It's a completely different thing!!!
And where did you find the serial on proyector barato?

zcream

2008 October 12th, 09:05

DUH! I need to stop surfing late at night..My bad!

antiplastik

2008 October 12th, 12:45

So where's Johnzo's 8.9"?

zephyrnoid

2008 October 12th, 21:27

I meant to say it's the same SCREEN. 7.1" Vs 7.2" Has anyone actually measured it? Its there some manufacturing variance of .1" between these?
The controllers are undoubtedly different- hence the 'better specs' of the Manhattan LCD version(s). Remember folks. Wiring these controllers is something of a cottage industry. Quite likely, MLCD & DIYBeamer are buying the controllers from the same supplier. This Spanish 'distributor' may either have ordered 'old stock' or is buying from a different supplier altogether.
I shant begrudge people buying from whomever they prefer, but States-side customers ought to consider this:
- MLCD is in the USA
- MLCD is trying VERY hard to please customers
- MLCD is innovating enclosures
- MLCD is better positioned to offer after-market support to States-side customers.
Conclusion ? It's worth paying MLCD a premium for the added value that they provide. Ask for John Reed. :hv20-smilie77:

But it has a different aspect ratio! Resolution is sxga not wxga.
It's a completely different thing!!!
And where did you find the serial on proyector barato?

johnzo1995

2008 October 12th, 21:58

So where's Johnzo's 8.9"?

I will have the sample 8.9 this week. FYI the 8.9 is 1024*600, pretty good.

I will have the guts for sale in a few weeks, and complete montiors in a two months.

RaphIstol

2008 October 12th, 22:29

johnzo1995

2008 October 12th, 22:39

Hi

I wanted to ask John a few questions : what differs in the current kit you're selling for $445, from the price you announced back in may at 385 ?
The power brick seems to require a 60Hz input incompatible with 50Hz in Europe : could you trim that from the full price ?

Oops, 7" not in stock... will you be selling any more of those ?

Thanks in advance

The price when up because of the backlight driver (LED).

I will have the 7.2 again, but the manufacture has stopped making that panel and they are getting hard to find in small quanities.

antiplastik

2008 October 13th, 04:28

I will have the sample 8.9 this week. FYI the 8.9 is 1024*600, pretty good.

What does that mean "FYI"?

TiE_Shepherd

2008 October 13th, 06:02

What does that mean "FYI"?

'For Your Information'

antiplastik

2008 October 13th, 06:12

'For Your Information'

Thanks.
So the 8.9" is a lot worse than the 7.2" in terms of resolution. How is that "pretty good"?

zephyrnoid

2008 October 13th, 10:09

OK. Quick chime-in .
1- The 7.2 as originally issued for the DIY PROJECTOR community required a separate 24V power supply in addition to the 12V used to power the controller. Manhattan LCD astutely commissioned an MLCD branded 'buck' circiut board that's soldered in place, eliminating the need for the additional 24V power to run the backlight. Considering that I went nuts trying to have a custom rechargeable LiIon battery made to take care of this 'challenge' for DIY MONITOR use, John Reed & Manhattan LCD saved me a HUGE headache. Well worth the price difference between May of 2008 and August of 2008 !!! Go John Go!
RE: The lower resolution of the 8.9 Vs the 7.2. Yes it's significant for EDITING purposes but not really for videographers that simply want to lock in better than native flip out screen focus, particularly the DOF/35mm adapter crowd. The 8.9 is still technically HD and that's gonna give you REALLY nice focus. Also, the 8.9's LARGER screen surface will mean that it will have roughly the same perceived resolution if you factor in eye to screen distance. That means that viewed from 6"-8" further back the 8.9 will look like the 7.2. Not sure what the contrast ratio of the 8.9 is.
Further- availability is EVERYTHING. If the 7.2" screens become too difficult to difficult to procure then MLCD and it's customers both suffer. if the 8.9 screens can be procured in lots of 100 at a time, then we're ALL in business- Win,Win!

antiplastik

2008 October 13th, 12:22

Further- availability is EVERYTHING. If the 7.2" screens become too difficult to difficult to procure then MLCD and it's customers both suffer. if the 8.9 screens can be procured in lots of 100 at a time, then we're ALL in business- Win,Win!

hm... :hv20-smilie51:
let's wait for the full specs and see.
If the boards size is cool then I'll take it.

-Rogue5-

2008 October 13th, 13:34

I just emailed these guys and, assuming shipping from china is reasonable, they've got a 10.2" LCD with MST HDMI 1080p controller, and LED backlight for $150USD! (http://shop33225039.taobao.com/) Tack on a Tekkeon and that's ~$300 for a self-powered 1080p capable display.

Has anyone delt with those guys before? Also where is the cheapest place to get a tekkeon 3450? They're approximately $150 (shipped) off eBay, but that's still pretty high.

-Rogue5-

johnzo1995

2008 October 13th, 19:45

The 8.9 sample came in today, its has a very good picture. I will posts some pics tonight.:hv20-smilie03:

zephyrnoid

2008 October 13th, 20:39

Guys. Put your order in for one of these. As far as I can tell, they are the most compact HD monitors with that Resolution and versatile a controller. If they become impossible to get the 8.9's will be great alternative but NOT quite as compact or quite as hi rez.:hv20-smilie70:

The price when up because of the backlight driver (LED).

I will have the 7.2 again, but the manufacture has stopped making that panel and they are getting hard to find in small quanities.

antiplastik

2008 October 13th, 21:46

Guys. Put your order in for one of these. As far as I can tell, they are the most compact HD monitors with that Resolution and versatile a controller. If they become impossible to get the 8.9's will be great alternative but NOT quite as compact or quite as hi rez.:hv20-smilie70:

eh. Zeph, I don't understand, maybe cause I'm from Vienna and English is not my native language.
So you're saying we should buy the 7.2" now, from Manhattan or what? Do they have LED there? Would be awesome.
I know the 7.2" are great, but the money is just stacking up for all the components needed to build a rig.

johnzo1995

2008 October 13th, 23:36

Here are a couple of pics of the 8.9 (1024*600) 720p from DirecTV. Its a little brighter than the 10.9, colors are great.

2793

2794

-Rogue5-

2008 October 13th, 23:50

If the LCD is 1024x600, does that mean that the controller is scaling the resolution for the LCD?

-Rogue5-

ESTEBEVERDE

2008 October 13th, 23:52

Is there a touchscreen version available?

antiplastik

2008 October 14th, 05:08

Thanks for the pics Johnzo. When will you have the thing on your website?

johnzo1995

2008 October 14th, 10:03

Thanks for the pics Johnzo. When will you have the thing on your website?

I will put 8.9 kit on the store today, it will be a pre-order, it will ship late next week.

FYI: I only have three 7.2 kits avalible. Get them now if you want one.

I also have some used 7.2 kits, real cheap, send email to sales@manhattanlcd.com

zephyrnoid

2008 October 14th, 21:44

SOLD! TO SHRIGG, the new 7.2" DIY Champ.
To Piggyback on Johnzo's notice about the 7.2 Kits. I have a Neilsen 35-20 enclosure frame ready to drill if anyone wants it. I can even provide How-to tutorial at no additional charge. I had the frame listed in the marketplace. It's offered for $30 including shipping to CONUS.
I love my 7.2 and were it not for the fact that I have no time, I'd build another.:hv20-smilie77:

I will put 8.9 kit on the store today, it will be a pre-order, it will ship late next week.

FYI: I only have three 7.2 kits avalible. Get them now if you want one.

I also have some used 7.2 kits, real cheap, send email to sales@manhattanlcd.com

Shrigg

2008 October 15th, 09:24

I don't think you should have any problem using an 11.1v pack. I've personally had some issues using a DIY AA battery pack down near 9v, but even those were intermittant and it's been reported by others that the screen runs fine off of a 9v pack.

The 4.4Ah should also give you good runtime. I say 'go for it!'

I used these 11.1V LiIon packs (http://www.all-battery.com/li-ion18650111v4400mahpcbprotectedrechargeablebattery withdcconnector.aspx) from all-battery.com, they power my 12.1 + MST just fine and I get around 3 hours on a charge... Hope this helps!!

antiplastik

2008 October 17th, 06:39

I will put 8.9 kit on the store today, it will be a pre-order, it will ship late next week.

FYI: I only have three 7.2 kits avalible. Get them now if you want one.

I also have some used 7.2 kits, real cheap, send email to sales@manhattanlcd.com

it's still not up?

antiplastik

2008 October 19th, 11:52

is it ever gonna be up?

zephyrnoid

2008 October 19th, 21:48

Manhattan LCD is trying to locate a new company to manage it's website. I imagine some patience in this regard would be highly appreciated by them.:hv20-smilie77:

is it ever gonna be up?

antiplastik

2008 October 20th, 05:03

Manhattan LCD is trying to locate a new company to manage it's website. I imagine some patience in this regard would be highly appreciated by them.:hv20-smilie77:

How would I know?!
Johnzo said he'd put it up a week ago.

craftech

2008 October 20th, 08:52

zephyrnoid

2008 October 21st, 01:08

BTW. I have a correct size Romeo Y Julieta Cigar box for anyone that wants to try making a DIY enclosure for the 7.2" Seriously it ought to be cool!

johnzo1995

2008 October 21st, 13:05

is it ever gonna be up?

Its up now, sorry for the delay, very busy.

http://www.manhattanlcd.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=1007

zephyrnoid

2008 October 21st, 14:07

Well done and at a great price too!!! :hv20-smilie77:
Its up now, sorry for the delay, very busy.

http://www.manhattanlcd.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=1007

texasmfp

2008 October 22nd, 17:26

DVI-D is the same as HDMI, a simple adapter is all thats needed. 5/- bucks for adapter.

True when connecting a TV and a computer. NOT TRUE for connecting to the HV20. I have done extensive testing and found that the HV20 senses what type of connection it is making and changes the output resulution. It will only output full raster uncompressed HD when directly connected to an HDMI port.

johnzo1995

2008 October 22nd, 19:29

The 8.9's are in stock

antiplastik

2008 October 22nd, 19:36

The 8.9's are in stock

Thanks Johnzo

johnzo1995

2008 October 24th, 10:18

I have one 7.2 kit left. The component on the controller does not work. HDMI is fine. $300

HG10

2008 October 27th, 16:58

I still dont get why this whole idea is even necessary for mounted field monitor. Am I missing something?

why not just purchase 40-90bucks hdmi extender that can extend up to 300ft and just hook it up to your home DVI monitor? then get HDMI cable to dvi.

also use a simple wall mount to have it on a tripod.

why i say that bc it doesnt seem economical.

dvi monitor: 15" under $150 or even free if you got one laying around
extender: 50bucks on ebay.

all extender and cables, check out monoprice.com

leteeci

2008 October 27th, 18:06

..why i say that bc it doesnt seem economical.

Yeah, why to have integrated viewfinder on camcorder?? It could be a full-size-catode-TV attached, instead..

:hv20-smilie50:

Shrigg

2008 October 27th, 18:40

Yeah, why to have integrated viewfinder on camcorder?? It could be a full-size-catode-TV attached, instead..

:hv20-smilie50:

LMAO!!!!!

The camera-mounted DIY solutions can be shot in the field with NO wall power needed. And checking focus with a DVI monitor 50 feet away sounds a little tricky.

HG10

2008 October 27th, 19:51

not talking about camera or steadicam mounted but I am saying the mounting monitor on the tripod like I have seen on this thread.

Shrigg

2008 October 27th, 21:20

Sure it's okay till it gets knocked over.... I know I'm clumsy enough to do it! :)

i_make_tshirts

2008 November 2nd, 22:00

any 7 - 9in DIYs make it to production?

anyone have one to sell??

zephyrnoid

2008 November 3rd, 08:29

according to Manhattan LCD(MLCD), the 7.2" screens are becoming hard to get [ basically, they are pirated or remainders from the manufacture of the Toshiba Libretto laptops] . So Manhattan LCD is hoping to replace them with the more readily available 8.9" screens. AFAIK, there are no 'production' case for the 8.9" yet. We're getting a kit which I will eventually build a case for (I'm very busy right now). I suggest that folks that WANT a production 8.9" make their intentions known to John Reed of MLCD. tooling up for these cases is no small matter and frankly, unless there was an in-hand (cash) demand for more than 400, tooling is not worth it.
To the stickier subject, DIY.
It takes me around 30 hrs to do it properly using my Nielsen P30-20 frame as an enclosure.
http://imagometrics.com/FLReviews/Tosh10.9encl.htm
Not worth even trying that on a production level unless I could find 50 or more people to pre-pay around $800 per monitor. Hope that answers you.

any 7 - 9in DIYs make it to production?

anyone have one to sell??

i_make_tshirts

2008 November 3rd, 10:08

thanks for the post Zephy! Is that why you were trying to sell the frames raw?

anyone pick up one of the MLCD 10.9 monitors?
http://www.manhattanlcd.com/category_s/23.htm

pics?

zephyrnoid

2008 November 3rd, 18:51

No . I had one extra replacement frame for the one and only 7.2 that I made for myself. The ONLY thing I'll gladly sell on an ongoing basis is the Tekkeon carry solution .
I have an 10.9 monitor that I reviewed in the magazine.:hv20-smilie77::hv20-smilie77:
I believe there are 18 left in stock at this time. Do get one of those if you want something production!

thanks for the post Zephy! Is that why you were trying to sell the frames raw?

anyone pick up one of the MLCD 10.9 monitors?
http://www.manhattanlcd.com/category_s/23.htm

pics?

i_make_tshirts

2008 November 7th, 00:40

Cool.

Oh yeah i will! As soon as MLCD puts out the 8.9!!

zephyrnoid

2008 November 17th, 09:29

OPEN CALL
Everyone that's got an Manhattan LCD 10.9 there's good news! A user manual is in the works and should be ready fro distribution in about 10 days.
Those of you that have figured out the hidden menus using the remote, ought to share their findings here!

johnzo1995

2008 November 19th, 18:32

Hey guys.

Our HD089A will be coming out soon. The prototype will be here next week. I will post some pics. Production models will be avalible in 3 three weeks.

dancingii

2008 November 19th, 23:01

I have my diy monitor for sale in the trade section. it's a 10.6. here's the link.

http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?t=18455

antiplastik

2008 November 20th, 07:11

Just ordered the 8.9 Kit from mlcd. Finally! I've been waiting all this time for diy-beamer to show up with the promised kit, because they are right here in my country. But unfortunately they're really really bad and untrustworthy. After 2 months no e-mail has been answered.

I'll be joining in the fun again soon. Right now I'm 90 hours a week busy at filmschool.
Still planning on having a custom built metal case by the aluminum beding facility.

Cheers

leteeci

2008 November 20th, 09:16

Just ordered the 8.9 Kit from mlcd. Finally! I've been waiting all this time for diy-beamer to show up with the promised kit, because they are right here in my country. But unfortunately they're really really bad and untrustworthy. After 2 months no e-mail has been answered.

Hmhmhm..

Interesting.. I had great experience with DIY-beamer.. Gerhard even called me on the phone when I had problems to pay with paypal, and we fixed all very fast.

I got package in Slovenia very fast; in two days llike it was promised..

Very good ocmmunication, I will deal with them again..

:hv20-smilie70:

antiplastik

2008 November 20th, 09:30

Hmhmhm..

Interesting.. I had great experience with DIY-beamer.. Gerhard even called me on the phone when I had problems to pay with paypal, and we fixed all very fast.

I got package in Slovenia very fast; in two days llike it was promised..

Very good ocmmunication, I will deal with them again..

:hv20-smilie70:

Might be a bad time right now. They got a new website though, but no 8.9"

texasmfp

2008 November 20th, 11:30

Just ordered the 8.9 Kit from mlcd. Finally! I've been waiting all this time for diy-beamer to show up with the promised kit, because they are right here in my country. But unfortunately they're really really bad and untrustworthy. After 2 months no e-mail has been answered.

I totally agree with you. Not only did they ship me defective merchandise, but they refused to respond to any emails after I informed them of that. To boot, I just got a notice from DHL of import duty charges on my DIY Beamer purchase some six months ago. Buyer beware.

texasmfp

2008 November 20th, 11:34

Hey guys.

Our HD089A will be coming out soon. The prototype will be here next week. I will post some pics. Production models will be avalible in 3 three weeks.

Hi: does either the 8.9 or the 10.9 MST boards have the ability to manually and separately adjust the three color channels (i.e., RGB) so as to calibrate the color on the monitors? If not, does the Pixelworks board have this feature? Thanks

zephyrnoid

2008 November 20th, 12:55

Hey local-to-me dude!
Pixelworks does allow RGB calibration and the MST Controller does as well via the hidden menu - Just press "2008" into the remote to reveal the user customizable color calibration interface. All that will be covered in my manual for the 10.9 (MST Controller) soon to be released.

Hi: does either the 8.9 or the 10.9 MST boards have the ability to manually and separately adjust the three color channels (i.e., RGB) so as to calibrate the color on the monitors? If not, does the Pixelworks board have this feature? Thanks

leteeci

2008 November 20th, 16:18

Hmhmh..

I know there is no 8.9...So I took two 10.9..

Enclosures are in progress..

Dleo

2008 November 20th, 16:52

Wow nice job guys.

zephyrnoid

2008 November 21st, 10:16

I hope that Ikan and Marshall aren't too ticked off ;)

t_prakash

2008 November 21st, 14:49

Dear all,

This could be a noob question, however.. i have just ordered for "IndiRails Pro 20" which is a Shrigg Rig with 12 inch carbon fiber rods.

I am planning to buy the 10.9" HD Professional Monitor from Manhattan LCD which is
http://www.manhattanlcd.com/product_p/7001.htm

The question i have is about mounting this monitor on the shrigg rig, the monitor has got the 1/4*20 Thread on Top, Bottom and Side of the enclosures.

I hope the shrigg rig has got a 1/4*20 Thread as well, the proud owners could clarify that. Anyways Tim has kindly agreed drill any custom holes if required.

So What else do i need to mount this monitor on top of the shrigg rig?

Does something like this helps? http://shop.dm-accessories.com/produ...old-shoe-mount

antiplastik

2008 November 28th, 14:26

The 8.9" is here :hv20-smilie77:

Looks great. Good size. First images and measurements of the controller board:

antiplastik

2008 November 28th, 14:27

First images and measurements of the lcd:

antiplastik

2008 November 28th, 15:53

I added more shots on my forum and did a little review during first testing:
http://www.cinema5d.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=12&p=1920#p1920

zephyrnoid

2008 November 28th, 19:02

Nice. Have you accessed the manual customization menu yet.This looks like the MST controller so ... with the screen totally blank ( blue ) SLOWLY press 2,0,0,8 on the remote and you should see the hidden menu pop up. you can then adjust a lot of stuff and essentially over-ride the presets. More later on this... :hv20-smilie77:

I added more shots on my forum and did a little review during first testing:
http://www.cinema5d.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=12&p=1920#p1920

zephyrnoid

2008 November 29th, 12:24

I created a brief tutorial for the DIY of the 7.2 Manhattan LCD monitors via my Nielsen p35-20 enclosure concept-(since a few people have asked for it) Unfortunately, the 28KB PDF exceeds the forum size limitation. Unless a MOD can bypass that limitation I'll have to post the tutorial on the Wiki or send it piecemeal to each requestor.
:hv20-smilie77:

vnguyen

2008 December 1st, 12:20

What's everyone's thoughts on the Hannstar 8.9" monitor? Is the lower resolution (1024x600) still suitable for pulling focus on HD content?

zephyrnoid

2008 December 5th, 12:05

Likely answer is yes with reservation. In truth, the 8.9" will be WAY better than the flip-out screen on your camera simply because it's bigger and already about 4 times the pixel density. Having said that, the operator's ability to draw accurate focus quickly is also in proportion to: pixel density, color calibration, contrast and brightness setting and scene contrast and brightness. In that case, the higher resolution Manhattan LCD screens will give you more accurate focus and faster- at the appropriately higher prices and greater bulk. We've got an 8.9 on the way for us to review- I'm guessing it's the ideal low budget pricepoint and with an MST controller, a hell of a steal for the BANG you're getting. Personally, I'd snag a 7.2" kit if you want to step up a level (and goodness knows what we'll do when all the 7.2" screens are gone!) The extra cost difference between 8.9 and 7.2 or 10.9 doesn't buy a nice dinner for two with wine where I live, and yet the Pixelworks board and somewhat narrower dimension of the 7.2 really matter in terms of rig stability. I'll have to do more side-by side shots later. Still busy working on the user manual :( (almost done boss)
:hv20-smilie70::hv20-smilie64:

What's everyone's thoughts on the Hannstar 8.9" monitor? Is the lower resolution (1024x600) still suitable for pulling focus on HD content?

johnzo1995

2008 December 7th, 20:57

Hey Guys, We have the 8.9 prototype here and it looks great. I will post pics later tonight or tomorrow. The picture is very sharp. The production models will be out in three weeks or earlier, we are taking preorder now, great price $425.

The 10.9 will be out of stock for a while. There was a huge bid on them for a portable dvd player and that dried them up.

johnzo1995

2008 December 7th, 21:02

I also have some discounted 7.2 kits if anybody is interested.

Email me at jreed@manhattanlcd.com

johnzo1995

2008 December 8th, 20:19

Here are some pics. Sharp picture. Weights 1.8 pounds, 9.6" Wide, 6.4" High, 1.6" Deep

3222

3223

zephyrnoid

2008 December 9th, 00:02

Cool! Can't wait to see it in person.
Slightly ON topic.
On the 10.9 Monitor that uses the MST board, I hooked up a Pal>Coax (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103468) adapter to the TV tuner to run a cable TV signal into the monitor but couldn't avoid getting a bunch on noise on most channels. TV set to NTSC or Auto but does it have to be an HD signal ??

antiplastik

2008 December 10th, 04:05

Hey Johnzo,
looks a lot like what I'm putting together rigtht now, just that my connectors are at the bottom and I ditched the component input.

aluminum hull
24.4 x 13.8 x 3.5 cm
walls 2mm
2x 6V Battery mounts
1.5mm non mirroring extrahard plexiglass
top handle
maybe back handles too
black surface

Any further suggestions?

(back is horizontally flipped btw)

antiplastik

2008 December 13th, 16:57

Hi zephy, how's your building going? Still on it?

I just ran a test with 2 6V batteries attached and thought I'd share this with you guys on this forum because a lot of inspiration came from this thread.

I was only 50% sure this would work so it's a big hurray :hv20-smilie09: for me!
This solution cost 70 €. It includes:
2x 6V batteries (probably 2500 mah each)
1 charger with ac adapter + car adapter
2 battery sockets.

As you can see I opened the battery sockets, solded + and - pole together, and connected each remaining + and - cable to a 12V plug and plugged this one into the connector on the board. + goes to the inside on most of those round connectors as I found out.
The monitor looks the same as in my other test where I used a standard 12V 2.0A dc plug. No increase in brightness whatsoever.
Look at this picture I took with my phone of the Hanstar 8.9" and Cinema Display at full brightness. It's a little depressing. But certainly a cheap solution to make quick focusing on the 5dmk2 possible. Both show a mostly 100% white picture btw:

gfi

2008 December 21st, 19:39

I totally agree with you. Not only did they ship me defective merchandise, but they refused to respond to any emails after I informed them of that. To boot, I just got a notice from DHL of import duty charges on my DIY Beamer purchase some six months ago. Buyer beware.

Hi Michael, Hi antiplastik !

I am very astonished about your comments Guys:
1.) Michael, you have ordered first the MST Set for LTN106W2-L01
2,) you have got a new, full functional and 100% tested controller set, as every set, which leaves our company and has this condition. But as I informed you with 12V power input.
3) You informed me, that you have problems with the controller to connect to power source(extern ACCU with 12V), as you want to use the controller with the Canon HV20. I told you, that I will inform my supplier about this, if there is a possibility to drive the controller with extern ACCU input 12V .
4)Next you ordered a Pixelworks106 controllerset with TV board, knowing exactly the specifications and descriptions of MST and Pixelworks boards with special power (5V and 12V power input) in the Shop. you informed me, that you don`t need the TV board and You will send it back, we have paid You a refund by PayPal, long before we got Your TV board back.
But as most of our customers use our sets in Diy-projectors and as HDMI DVD car screen controller sets, we thought, that You know a solution to fix the problem with power for yourself(DIY).
5.) Don`t inform people, that we have send out defect products, this is absolutely not the truth!
6.) But I know also, that for your use our controllers were not suitable and therefore we decided to send you for your unfortunately loss and as a =GIFT= a full PW106 Controller Set with only 12V input..... with firmware for Samsung 10.6", Sharp 7.2", Toshiba 12.1", LG+Samsung 15.4. All this firmware is on the controller, after you have received it, we will inform you exactlly how to adjust the right firmware for Your LCD. Hope you are satisfied, but for the future pls tell the truth , if you inform this guys!

Concerning your comments Antiplastik......OH, you are a austrian guy... wonderful. As I remember, you send us 2 or 3 Email with the enquiry for the 8.9" solution LCD and HDMI Pixelworks controller Set, that you are very interested in this set. I told You, that we work out with our supplier, but we can`t say exactly, when it is finished. Now my question my Austrian friend, this answers gives You the legal to perform such comments in the community? We can`t anwer all Emails with enquiries immediately, we get 500-700 of them in a day and in Your case, we didn`t have detailled results for your questions from our supplier!!!!

STATEMENT:
We will offer in the second week of Jannuary 2009 the following Set:
HIGHEND Pixelworks 338 set with only 12 V input, with 2xHDMI, VGA, Composite, (pls read the detailled description in the SHOP), size: full controller: 100mm * 150mm,
+ 8.9 WXGA LCD, 1280x768..... (not 1024*600), contrast:400:1, brightness:300:1, Response time: 10-14ms
For producing this sets with our suppliers, with special firmware , LVDS and hardware solutions ,we have need allmost 5 month to finish this Sets.
See you my friends!
Gerhard

www.Diy-Beamer.com

zephyrnoid

2008 December 21st, 20:37

UPDATE: Been busy rebuilding a crashed and dead HD on my 'work' machine.
Still finishing up the user manual for MST.
Here's some sweet news. We tested the Tekkeon MP3700 with the 10.9 and it's a dream.
The MP3700 is IDENTICAL to the MP3450 except that...
It autosenses DC Voltage requirement of the host device.
"myPower ALL Plus MP3700 powers and/or charges laptops and other devices that require input power between 9.5V and 20V. Truly universal, this efficient lithium polymer battery automatically detects the voltage of the connected laptop making it quick and simple to use. A bonus USB output port enables you to simultaneously charge other small portable devices, like cell phones, iPods and more."
Needless to say, just plug it in and turn it On. NO MORE squinting to be sure that you don't set a voltage to high and fry your CKT board!!! Bravo Tekkeon!

I Just need to know what the maximum voltage out of the USB port is. If it can feed an HV20/HV30, then one battery can do double duty!

zephyrnoid

2008 December 21st, 20:46

Hi Michael, Hi antiplastik !

I am very astonished about your comments Guys:
1.) Michael, you have ordered first the MST Set for LTN106W2-L01
2,) you have got a new, full functional and 100% tested controller set, as every set, which leaves our company and has this condition. But as I informed you with 12V power input.
3) You informed me, that you have problems with the controller to connect to power source(extern ACCU with 12V), as you want to use the controller with the Canon HV20. I told you, that I will inform my supplier about this, if there is a possibility to drive the controller with extern ACCU input 12V .
4)Next you ordered a Pixelworks106 controllerset with TV board, knowing exactly the specifications and descriptions of MST and Pixelworks boards with special power (5V and 12V power input) in the Shop. you informed me, that you don`t need the TV board and You will send it back, we have paid You a refund by PayPal, long before we got Your TV board back.
But as most of our customers use our sets in Diy-projectors and as HDMI DVD car screen controller sets, we thought, that You know a solution to fix the problem with power for yourself(DIY).
5.) Don`t inform people, that we have send out defect products, this is absolutely not the truth!
6.) But I know also, that for your use our controllers were not suitable and therefore we decided to send you for your unfortunately loss and as a =GIFT= a full PW106 Controller Set with only 12V input..... with firmware for Samsung 10.6", Sharp 7.2", Toshiba 12.1", LG+Samsung 15.4. All this firmware is on the controller, after you have received it, we will inform you exactlly how to adjust the right firmware for Your LCD. Hope you are satisfied, but for the future pls tell the truth , if you inform this guys!

Concerning your comments Antiplastik......OH, you are a austrian guy... wonderful. As I remember, you send us 2 or 3 Email with the enquiry for the 8.9" solution LCD and HDMI Pixelworks controller Set, that you are very interested in this set. I told You, that we work out with our supplier, but we can`t say exactly, when it is finished. Now my question my Austrian friend, this answers gives You the legal to perform such comments in the community? We can`t anwer all Emails with enquiries immediately, we get 500-700 of them in a day and in Your case, we didn`t have detailled results for your questions from our supplier!!!!

STATEMENT:
We will offer in the second week of Jannuary 2009 the following Set:
HIGHEND Pixelworks 338 set with only 12 V input, with 2xHDMI, VGA, Composite, (pls read the detailled description in the SHOP), size: full controller: 100mm * 150mm,
+ 8.9 WXGA LCD, 1280x768..... (not 1024*600), contrast:400:1, brightness:300:1, Response time: 10-14ms
For producing this sets with our suppliers, with special firmware , LVDS and hardware solutions ,we have need allmost 5 month to finish this Sets.
See you my friends!
Gerhard

www.Diy-Beamer.com

Wunderbar unt Danke! :hv20-smilie70:

antiplastik

2008 December 22nd, 02:32

Concerning your comments Antiplastik......OH, you are a austrian guy... wonderful. As I remember, you send us 2 or 3 Email with the enquiry for the 8.9" solution LCD and HDMI Pixelworks controller Set, that you are very interested in this set. I told You, that we work out with our supplier, but we can`t say exactly, when it is finished. Now my question my Austrian friend, this answers gives You the legal to perform such comments in the community? We can`t anwer all Emails with enquiries immediately, we get 500-700 of them in a day and in Your case, we didn`t have detailled results for your questions from our supplier!!!!

If I did you wrong I'm sorry, I really don't mean to, just sharing my knowledge here. The way I remember it you told me about the set on the phone. You said it would take 2 weeks max, because it had already been shipped. 3 weeks later I e-mailed you, after 5 weeks again, and so on. About 2 months after the call I ordered from mlcd because there was still no reply. You couldn't say I wasn't patient...

gfi

2008 December 22nd, 03:45

If I did you wrong I'm sorry, I really don't mean to, just sharing my knowledge here. The way I remember it you told me about the set on the phone. You said it would take 2 weeks max, because it had already been shipped. 3 weeks later I e-mailed you, after 5 weeks again, and so on. About 2 months after the call I ordered from mlcd because there was still no reply. You couldn't say I wasn't patient...

Hi antiplastik!!!

No problem, we had much delays in production of this sets, we have to send back the first sets to our supplier and manufacturer, first we had errors with firmware and hardware as it is very special, but now we have finished and I think the result is the best one, which was ever produced for your use.
For this, please don`t use in the future this phrases, as it make this wrong content, we are not a reliable and trustworthy company, thank You!!!
1.) HIGHEND PW338 controller..... please read all functions in the Shop!!!!
2) Controller size: 100 *150mm full size
3.) Panel: 8.9" WXGA 1280*768 (not 1024*600) , high contrast and brightness rates, short response time
3.) Only 12V voltage, not as the Sharp 7.2...24V
See you!
Kind regards!
Gerhard

www.Diy-Beamer.com

howironicman

2008 December 24th, 22:42

zephyrnoid

2008 December 26th, 23:03

Did this manual ever come out? Where can I find it? Thanks.
Still working on it. I should have a rough draft the 1st week of January. Distribution is up to Manhattan LCD, not me though.
It's going well, but I'm a perfectionist so well is not yet good enough for release.
There are a bunch of custom functions that are still a mystery to me, though I bet that DIY Beamers knows what they are.
Here's what I can tell you- The REMOTE is your friend.:hv20-smilie77:

MitchellStafiej

2008 December 27th, 13:46

Never mind.... :)

agilentpixel

2008 December 30th, 01:08

Hi all:
This is a really intereting thread and also soooo long! I have some ideas about how to DIY a portable monitor and share with you. (if any of them are coverred, please forgive me since the thread is so long :p)
1. I see someone are using battery power. So I guess power saving is a very important topic. To saving power, power consumption of both controller and LCD must be limited. As far as I know, there are 2 ways:
Select a low-power controller: Normally, the less interface the controller has, the less power it takes. Also, MST chip is belived having lower power than Pixelworks. And Genesiss chip (http://www.agilentpixel.com/category.php?id_category=7) takes the least power since only DVI and VGA are supported.
Select a low-poer monitor: LED backlight has much less power consumption than normal backlight panels. LED backlight only need 12V DC power which is also battery friendly. I have a Sharp 7.2" 1280*768 panel at hand which is with LED backlight.

agilentpixel

2008 December 30th, 01:16

2. About resolution
Guess most members here care much about high resolution. For small panels, pixel per inch is more important than total number of pixels to me :p
The 6.3" 1024*768 panel I used already reach the quality of priniting, beyond that density, I dont think it really makes sense.
Here are a list I recommend which can fully satisify most people's requirements:
5.6", 6.3", 7.1": XGA, 1024*768
7.2" WXGA, 1280*768/800
8.9" WXGA , 1280*768 or 1024*600
10.4" XGA
10.6" WXGA
12.1" SXGA+: 1400*1050

agilentpixel

2008 December 30th, 01:23

3. Inerface
Guess most members here needs HDMI for both Video and Audio, so HDMI seems a MUST.
4. Physical size
As smaller as possible, am I right? :hv20-smilie87:
The smallest one I can find is this http://www.agilentpixel.com/product.php?id_product=36. It can be installed to any enclosure and the power consumption is also low.
The smallest controller with HDMI from me is this http://www.agilentpixel.com/product.php?id_product=43. it is no lrager than a 8.9" panel and much smaller than MST baord.

vnguyen

2008 December 31st, 01:07

Would this battery work for the 8.9 board on manhattan lcd, or would it destroy the controller?

http://www.all-battery.com/li-ion18650111v4400mahpcbprotectedrechargeablebattery withdcconnector.aspx

agilentpixel

2008 December 31st, 06:52

Would this battery work for the 8.9 board on manhattan lcd, or would it destroy the controller?

http://www.all-battery.com/li-ion18650111v4400mahpcbprotectedrechargeablebattery withdcconnector.aspx

The standard MST6U89 or 6E89 board needs 5V 1.2A and 12V 1.5A power supply. The 5V is for 6x89 chip and 12V for TV and other chips. In the single 12V power solution, the 5V input is in fact taken indirectly from the 12V input, so the current of 12V input will increase a lot.
For you 11V 4.4AH battery, MST board can work in 10~15V range, so this battery can support the board for ~2 hours. But if you consider about the LCD panel which is also 10~20W, you battery may finally work for 1 hour.
I'm not farmiliar with what you want, but is 1 hour OK for you?

howironicman

2009 January 2nd, 09:33

Still working on it. I should have a rough draft the 1st week of January. Distribution is up to Manhattan LCD, not me though.
It's going well, but I'm a perfectionist so well is not yet good enough for release.
There are a bunch of custom functions that are still a mystery to me, though I bet that DIY Beamers knows what they are.
Here's what I can tell you- The REMOTE is your friend.:hv20-smilie77:

Well I do mostly use the remote, but mainly I guess I was curious as to what "hidden menus" there were for the monitor. Also, what settings are people usually using to maximize the picture for the monitor? I have the 10.9 first batch of the Manhattan LCDs. Thanks.

zephyrnoid

2009 January 3rd, 22:50

Well I do mostly use the remote, but mainly I guess I was curious as to what "hidden menus" there were for the monitor. Also, what settings are people usually using to maximize the picture for the monitor? I have the 10.9 first batch of the Manhattan LCDs. Thanks.

OK. I'm quite far with this- just want it to be super perfect.
I'll post a rough of the relevant page so you understand.

zephyrnoid

2009 January 4th, 21:59

This is a sneak preview. Please respect the copyright notification and do not distribute. This DRAFT is offered for free download, exclusively for the benefit of HV20.com members. Obviously I'm finishing up the rest of the manual, but this is a page many have requested ASAP. :hv20-smilie70:

zephyrnoid

2009 January 5th, 08:46

jerico

2009 January 5th, 11:15

zephyrnoid

2009 January 5th, 19:59

Probably a naive questions:

With LCD monitors as cheap as they are, why not purchase a regular wide HDMI monitor and modify a mount to it? It seems like such an effort to built a case when you can buy one with a case already on it??
- Let's compare RESOLUTIONS
- How big are the monitors of which you speak. The Manhattan LCD 7.2 is just tripod/rig mountable.
- Before Manhattan LCD offered complete monitors, the cheapest HD capable, multi-input capable, user calibratable sets started at around $3,000. Please either do your homework first or show us the references. This thread has had a lot of eyeballs on it and yes, every once in a while the SAME suggestion comes up.

agilentpixel

2009 January 5th, 20:15

"About resolution...
The 6.3" 1024*768 panel I used already reach the quality of priniting, beyond that density, I dont think it really makes sense:
7.2" WXGA, 1280*768/800"
- The human eye is able to resolve at roughly 40 Megapixels
- The greater the pixel density of the screen + contrast ratio, the better able the screen to convey as much of the captured HD resolution as possible. Absolute focus is related to how much detail the screen is able to resolve. This is most important in wide aperture, selective focus shots at tele settings where the margin for focus error is much greater than with wide, small aperture takes.
- 1:1 pixel mapping is very important as framing is almost as important as focus, particularly with a camera whose flipoutscreen crops so much of the image.

Pls also consider about the view area: when you look at the 7.2" or 6.3" panel, it only occupies a small area compared with what eyes can see. So althougth humen eye can see 40M Pixels, it can not see more details when so many pixels are located in such a small area.
I guess brightness is also very important when you use a monitor in out-door environment.
Agree with you that 1:1 is a very important feature. Until now, only this feature can only be supported by Pixelworks chips...

agilentpixel

2009 January 5th, 20:17

- Let's compare RESOLUTIONS
- How big are the monitors of which you speak. The Manhattan LCD 7.2 is just tripod/rig mountable.
- Before Manhattan LCD offered complete monitors, the cheapest HD capable, multi-input capable, user calibratable sets started at around $3,000. Please either do your homework first or show us the references. This thread has had a lot of eyeballs on it and yes, every once in a while the SAME suggestion comes up.

May I know what's the biggest acceptable size of the panel since it has to be mounted on a tripod?

zephyrnoid

2009 January 6th, 10:07

May I know what's the biggest acceptable size of the panel since it has to be mounted on a tripod?
This varies with circumstance. A 15" monitor is unwieldy mounted near a camera/tripod that may have to be picked up and put down a number of times on a location set. A 15" monitor is great for the director, sitting between 10' and 20' away from Camera A. In a studio, the 15" is fine anywhere on the set.
There is no hard and fast rule, but rather, common sense and practicality dictate the equipment choice. I personally prefer my DIY 7.2" Manhattan LCD mounted on the camera tripod because I'm much less likely to strike it accidentally in a shoot, and it's less likely to be brushed against by anyone on set. It's light enough to not matter on the whole rig.The Manhattan LCD complete 10.9 (discontinued) is actually the same weight as my 7.2 but it's 3" wider so that makes it a bit less stable on a camera rig. It's what I use for a second feed to the Director.
Some day I'll diagram it out.