DIY Samsung HD Monitor thread [Archive] - Page 2 - High Definition Digital Video Forum

johnzo1995

2008 March 24th, 23:21

This is Johnzo from Manhattan LCD. We only have 6 10.6's in stock. The 12.1's are the replacment. The 10.6's are very very hard to find. I think samsung disco'd the 10.6 lcd.

For anybody taking over Bruce's project, I know a guy that can make plastic cases out of ABS,PVC... ect for a very good price.

I can be reached at manhattanlcd@yahoo.com

bstanescu

2008 March 26th, 15:16

alexgutterson

2008 March 26th, 23:42

I would most certainly be in for 60 dollars.

Sign me up :hv20-smilie77:

alexgutterson

2008 March 27th, 09:15

I am trying to take over where Bruce Allen left off. I am waiting on a prototype case from my machine shop now to sell the Manhattan LCD.

Weight is 436 grams without the electronics.

315 x 50 x 233 outside dimensions

14.5 x 210 for the connectors

262 x 158 for the lcd

This is for the 12.1 monitor

color powder coated black.

1117

1118

1119

1120

1121

Does anyone have any other suggestions???

I was wondering about mounting options on that case?

I'm sure you have already mentioned this and I'm just being foolish, but how about being able to mount it on a tripod both upside down and rightside up?

(I am going to be getting a Brevis soon -- but don't want to waste cash on the flip).

Thank you.

dthreatt

2008 March 29th, 04:10

yeah...it will mount right side up and upside down

dany27227

2008 March 29th, 10:48

I'd be in at 60$. That would give me a good 500$ monitor. I have a question though. Isn't it easier to buy a 17' LCD with a 1280*1024 resolution and an HDMI to DVI converter? Would that work? I already have an LCD with my computer can't I use it with an adapter?

alexgutterson

2008 March 29th, 12:24

The real reason why you don't want your typical lcd computer monitor (despite the fact that you CAN use the converter) is due to the bulky nature of it.

There is a HUGE difference between a 12" screen and a 17" screen in terms of size/portability. Then when you start to take into account the computer lcd casing and how innefficiently that was done for our purposes, you would realize that for a field monitor it would just be too much bulk/inwieldlyness.

Also you have to take into account picture quality. These DIY self screens are REALLY sharp -- i haven't seen your personal 17" monitor -- however I have seen numerous -- and none of them have compared to the picture on these custom built baby's.

I would love to be able to only shell out 200 bucks and then have my friend at bestbuy pick me up a dvi/hdmi converter for 8 dollars -- but I just don't think it is the most "workable" solution.

alexgutterson

2008 March 29th, 12:27

dthreat -- so you think that this is actually going to go through?

Mosin-$4L

2008 March 29th, 12:33

My 12" kit arrived, now I need to put it aside for a while till I have the time to work on it. Hopefully will post images soon of the progress once I get around to it

wiseguydigital

2008 March 29th, 16:50

I'm in for a $60 casing!! (Hopefully you'd be able to ship to the UK...?) - I need to check though - is this for the 10.6" or 12" screen?

JoachimF

2008 March 29th, 19:59

vnguyen

2008 March 29th, 22:25

I'm in for the $60 case.

wiseguydigital

2008 March 30th, 06:52

wiseguydigital: This is for the 12.1", the 10.6"'s are disappearing...

Great! Looks like we now are 9.. 10?
dtthread: Do you know what it would cost if we get to, say, 15?

Oh and, similar question as wiseguydigital's: Possible to ship to Norway? (I pay all shipping/handling charges of course).

Ah, OK. It was just that I have looked on the net for the actual 10.6 LCD screen (LTN106W2-L01) and there seem to be quite a lot of places selling the actual screen and I believe that http://www.diy-beamer.com have quite a few controllers, so I thought that was what people were up to? I'm sure that I read recently on a forum a post by diy-beamer.com that they would have more in stock soon.

I can also add to cart for this screen on http://www.manhattanlcd.com, so I'm wondering whether this is actual still available? 10.6" LCD would be preferable to 12" for me... if not I'll go for 12" though ;)

Shrigg

2008 March 30th, 13:54

As has been pretty thoroughly discussed, the 10.6 is at end of product lifespan, the 12.1's are the new replacement. So 10.6=obsolete, 12.1=future proof

That said, the 10.6 is reputed to have a slightlty nicer looking picture... I went with the 12.1 due to availability

-Shrigg

wiseguydigital

2008 March 30th, 18:54

Understood Shrigg about the product being obsolete - it's just there seem to be still more than a few available, but I guess developing a proper case would make sense for the current version.

dthreatt

2008 March 31st, 04:05

I am developing for the 12" version. I need to drop $1000 on this to make the prototype....so now that I see I have some interest...I have to put the $1000 together. I owe my graphic artist $2000 for doing some other stuff for us....so....hopefully I can get to this soon. I think my design is solid and just about final. I should have something by May...latest June. Takes 30 days for the prototype. Once I get it...Ill take orders for the final. The price will be based on the actual number of orders I get...so the less orders the higher the price. I wont take money until I am ready to send the order into the machinist.....so no one will be agreeing to pay more than they want to. My target is 30 units...to get the $60 price+shipping of course.

Mosin-$4L

2008 March 31st, 18:02

Hello boys and girls, I just opened a new thread with my-just-built monitor case, inspired by ideas I read in this thread.

You can find it here:http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?t=8875

I'm very pleased with the result, thanks for all your input. I also added a tutorial in images, here: http://www.fixpix.ro/diy/monitor/

Thanks a lot for that tutorial bstanescu,

Just one question, what exactly did you use those 4cm spacers for? I mean wouldn't the case hold together using only the nails and bolts?

bstanescu

2008 April 1st, 07:51

Thanks a lot for that tutorial bstanescu,

Just one question, what exactly did you use those 4cm spacers for? I mean wouldn't the case hold together using only the nails and bolts?

I used spacers to hold the back lid equally distanced to the case, parallel to the TFT screen. I drew an explanatory picture :hv20-smilie03:

1298

Goes the same for all four corners.

Mosin-$4L

2008 April 1st, 07:58

Thanks man, really appreciated *goes to work*

wiseguydigital

2008 April 2nd, 05:41

Just one thought - has anyone considered making a monitor case out of fibreglass? Could it take the heat from a monitor etc? Could be a really cheap and professional finish...

tomiland

2008 April 3rd, 00:34

Hi I have a problem with my 12.1, everything seems to be plugged correctly, I have a 12V universal battery http://www.bixnet.com/unpodvbapa.html , and when I turn it on, the screen stays really dark, I can barely see the menu or the picture when I plug my hv30 to it. Is somebody here had the same problem?
I hope it was not damaged when they delivered it or something, and I have to shoot in 2 days!!

thequads

2008 April 3rd, 02:27

Just one thought - has anyone considered making a monitor case out of fibreglass? Could it take the heat from a monitor etc? Could be a really cheap and professional finish...

the 12 inch monitor doesn't get that hot so it shouldn't be a problem.

thequads

2008 April 3rd, 02:28

Duke

2008 April 4th, 12:46

JoachimF

2008 April 7th, 11:14

dthreatt: Any news about the casing? =)

texasmfp

2008 April 7th, 11:52

Wow! I can't believe I found this thread by accident. I have been searching on this and other forums for an HDMI enabled monitor for 5 months now. Found Bruce's thread, but no reply to my posts or PM. He must be busy. Thanks to all of you for the research and the links. I now have an uncompressed monitor/capture system for my HV20 (the little cam that could).

I just ordered the 10.6 kit from manhattenlcd and a 7 x 11 perf cap box from Action E. (I was able to order a single box).

I'll post pix of my setup when the case is built, but in a nutshell:

HV20 to HDMI splitter

Splitter A to 10.6 monitor on camera/FigRig
Splitter B to Intensity card HDMI in

Intensity Card HDMI Out to Dell 2408FWP monitor in top bay of flyback
Intensity card capture via Cineform HD Link

Scopes/audio analysis tools using On Location and Firewire displayed on (2) 20.1 monitors in lower bay of flyback

Hopefully, in a week I'll have my HDMI to CAT6 baluns and can do a 300 foot run from my HV20 to my flyback (i.e., Splitter B to Intensity card HDMI in).

Later this summer I should be able to go wireless uncompressed.

Cheers

nmbuconj

2008 April 8th, 23:18

Some really nice looking rigs, guys. This has been a really inspiring thread.

I've purchased a 10.6" lcd, controller and PS from manhattanlcd. Looks good, just have to fab a case.

Question for everyone. Has anyone found an equivalent 1024x768 LCD that is 8.4"?
I'd prefer the monitor to be a tad smaller for on camera use.

I haven't been able to locate an 8.4" LCD with the same resolution. Hell, even if I find one, I won't know which controller to couple it with!

bluegrass

2008 April 9th, 00:33

I suspect the reason you won't find one is that resolution ultimately boils down to pixels per inch. If the physical demensions get smaller to keep the same resolution, the pixes have to get smaller. I imagine with todays tecnology the pixels can't be made small enough to get 1024 pixels in less than 8 inches in width.

JoachimF

2008 April 9th, 05:46

What about the Carrion? That's 8.4" and 1024*768 (http://www.lsdsgn.com/)

nmbuconj

2008 April 9th, 06:48

What about the Carrion? That's 8.4" and 1024*768 (http://www.lsdsgn.com/)

The Carrion is a wonderful looking monitor and actually, I specifically was searching for the lcd used in it's construction.

I figured that maybe that lcd/controller combo may be available for a DIY project...

Duke

2008 April 9th, 06:48

What about the Carrion? That's 8.4" and 1024*768 (http://www.lsdsgn.com/)

It would probably work, but that's 1024 resolution instead of 1280. We were all trying to get the highest portable resolution.

JoachimF

2008 April 9th, 09:56

texasmfp

2008 April 9th, 11:44

Well, there is the Astro (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/489105-REG/Astro_Systems_WM_3007_WM_3007_8_HD_SD_Portable.htm l). But that is 11 grand!!! But it does have built-in scopes. Pretty cool if $$$ is no object.

JoachimF

2008 April 9th, 12:30

Haha, great! :D What about this: http://www.eu.necel.com/products/display/color_tft_display_lineup/020_6_3_modules/NL10276BC12-02.html

6.3" and 1024x768. Haha. Joking=) I'm thinking 8.4" if I can find something suitable/cheap.

wiseguydigital

2008 April 10th, 07:56

I'm just trying to see if there have been any advances on the monitor case?

Duke

2008 April 13th, 08:25

Oh, I wasn't aware of that it was 1280. Nevertheless, an XGA panel should be good enough for focusing, shouldn't it? I just googled a bit and found a few panels pretty cheap - though 8.4" 1024*768. That would be small enough to mount on the rig itself, rather than an external tripod, I believe...

Size wise you are looking at two sets of numbers. If they tell you it's an 8.4" screen it's about 7-7.25" wide. Then there is a frame around the edge. Probably the finished monitor is between 8.25" and 9". My DIY monitor is 11" wide so it's really not much different. Both will fit just fine on a camera and no tripod is needed. (Of course I have a... ahm... few other accessories on the camera.

1024 isn't bad. As I said it was a matter of getting the highest resolution possible. The higher the resolution the easier the focus. And of course DIY is about $400. That extra money goes to sound equipment and lights. :)

Duke

texasmfp

2008 April 13th, 12:55

Just got my 10.6 kit and played with it over the weekend. awesome picture. I just hope that my camera crew doesn't find the picture in picture function and gets distracted watching TV. Ha!

I wish the hue could be adjusted. It does cut off a very slight amount from the R and L side. But, like I said, very slight. 2 questions:

Has anybody thought about having the batteries and controller board is a separate box (could be worn on the hip) from the monitor? This would require a longer LVDS and backlight cables, but that is easily ordered. One could mount the LCD to a flat aluminum stock or perf board, etc and reduce the weight/on-camera form factor even further.

The image is great, but whatever is on the outer side (glass??) has some hairline cracks (14 of them) in it? This doesn't affect the image (except at extreme angles), but I am worried that this will waeken the already fragile screen. Is this something to worry about?

Thanks

Duke

2008 April 14th, 00:14

The Takkeon battery is a self contained unit, and you could easily slip it into a pouch on your belt.

I haven't seen cracks, but I was under the impression that some of the screens were 'reclaimed'. I don't think it weakens them as long as the glass is solid. Everything behind that is inside the case.

Duke

sirjoe

2008 April 15th, 15:37

Is there any Delay between the image on the camera and the image on the LCD, if so how hard does this make rack focusing?

texasmfp

2008 April 15th, 15:47

there is a slight delay, but when I say slight I mean about a tenth to a twentieth of a second (and that is with 2 10 foot lengths of HDMI cable, with 25 feet of CAT6 cable and a pair of HDMI to CAT6 converters, and then going through the Intensity card to a monitor. So essentially almost no latency.

FYI, I plugged my cablebox HDMI out port to the LCD on Sunday and watched the Masters. Man did it look sharp: those yellow pin flags against the greens were awesome on this little screen.

drevel

2008 April 15th, 20:16

hello, I'm using a lilliput monitor now through composite and it is really hard to focus with 35mm adapter, as it seems the 10'' lcd is discontinued, anyone has got the 12 inch toshiba?

also manhattanlcd.com order page is not secure, I will not enter my CC there, any other site to get the monitor?

thanks!

David

2008 April 16th, 00:15

also manhattanlcd.com order page is not secure,

That's nuts. It's not 1996, why the hell would they have a non secure payment process? It looks like they take PayPal, so you could try that.

wiseguydigital

2008 April 16th, 04:28

That's nuts. It's not 1996, why the hell would they have a non secure payment process? It looks like they take PayPal, so you could try that.

It even has a non-clickable TRUST-E which I expect means that it hasn't been certified and claims to have BBB Privacy SSL!! Do not enter your card details!!!

David

2008 April 16th, 11:39

It even has a non-clickable TRUST-E which I expect means that it hasn't been certified and claims to have BBB Privacy SSL!! Do not enter your card details!!!

That's a load of crap on their part. If a company is willing to mislead customers in this way, then I want nothing to do with them.
If a company brazenly steals truste's logo to dupe customers into believing they've been certified and they're a 'safe' site, I want nothing to do with them.
It's bad enough that they have an unsecured checkout process, but this is icing on the cake.
Lowlifes.

This (http://www.truste.org/ivalidate.php?url=www.manhattanlcd.com) is what truste has to say:

Not Verified

www.manhattanlcd.com IS NOT A VALID TRUSTe MEMBER WEB SITE

The unauthorized display of the TRUSTe trustmark is unlawful and violates a TRUSTe trademark.
If you clicked on the TRUSTe trustmark or Click to Verify seal to get to this page, the site you are visiting
does not have permission to display the seal.

We need your help in identifying Web sites not authorized to display the TRUSTe seals, please take a minute to report the company by filing a Watchdog complaint (http://www.truste.org/ivalidate.php?url=www.manhattanlcd.com).

nmbuconj

2008 April 16th, 20:16

I purchased the 10.6 kit from them and paid via paypal. I received the monitor a couple of days later.

Nice kit.

No harm in being cautious though.

drevel

2008 April 18th, 00:30

sure, I'm not saying that they are scammers, I cant think about scammers trying to sell monitor kits :hv20-smilie02:

anyway I cannot use paypal, I've reached the $10k limit (since 2002!) and now paypal wants my bank account, no way, I'm not selling anything with my paypal account so they will not get my bank account.

anyway I would purchase the kit through google checkout if acepted

texasmfp

2008 April 18th, 21:59

OK: next project for the 10.6" Monitor. A sunshade. Has anybody bought or made a sunshade for this great monitor? The Hoodman seem to not go up to this size. Any other sunshade manufacturers out there? Thanks

dthreatt

2008 April 19th, 03:44

dthreatt: Any news about the casing? =)

PROTOTYPE SHIPS TO ME NEXT WEEK!!! :)

dthreatt

2008 April 19th, 03:45

I'm in for a $60 casing!! (Hopefully you'd be able to ship to the UK...?) - I need to check though - is this for the 10.6" or 12" screen?

12" ONLY. THE 10.6" IS TOO HARD TO COME BY.

Ulysses

2008 April 19th, 04:28

Which product from www.diybeamer.com would suit our (my) needs best? Do I have to be very technical to put one of those together? I think I can build the housing but everything beyond that seems quite a feat.

mtbr7

2008 April 19th, 04:45

I think you have the wrong url. The kit most are looking for is the 10.6 http://www.diy-beamer.com/EN/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=314 but I tried to add to cart and it appears to be out of stock.

When that is the case, many have gone for the 12.1 from diy-beamer http://www.diy-beamer.com/EN/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=341
or manhattanlcd

The kits have what you need. It's just a matter of connecting a couple of wire connectors and having power (battery or ac).

Dthreatt may have 12.1 cases available soon. That would make it very simple for you.

Ulysses

2008 April 19th, 07:14

Thank you. You're right. The link was wrong.

Your answer helped alot. So I'll go with that one. What type of battery would you suggest?

mtbr7

2008 April 19th, 17:47

If you read through this thread, you'll find some options. A popular choice is the Tekkeon 3450. I got one off ebay and it works. Here's a link to it on newegg but you can search for a better deal or another option.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16855997152

Shrigg

2008 April 19th, 19:57

PROTOTYPE SHIPS TO ME NEXT WEEK!!! :)

Were you doing this in aluminum Derrick? Think we can hit that $60 target price? I'm still in if so. More than $60, not in.......

-Shrigg

dthreatt

2008 April 20th, 06:51

Were you doing this in aluminum Derrick? Think we can hit that $60 target price? I'm still in if so. More than $60, not in.......

-Shrigg

yeah if we get 25 buyers.... its aluminum yes... plastic is too soft....and not much cheaper in small lots.

Shrigg

2008 April 23rd, 09:46

yeah if we get 25 buyers.... its aluminum yes... plastic is too soft....and not much cheaper in small lots.

Okay Derrick, how does the prototype look? Are we ready to count 25 people who want one??? (hand in air)

My 12.1 kit is still lying around in parts!! Check out the blue battery: 4400mah and only as heavy as 9AA's... Keepin it light enough to camera mount!

http://hdmuse.com/images/DSC_0009.jpg

Shrigg

2008 April 23rd, 09:53

Thank you. You're right. The link was wrong.

Your answer helped alot. So I'll go with that one. What type of battery would you suggest?

The blue battery in the photo above is about the same power as the Tekkeon but is less money and half the weight. Need to buy the special charger tho

BAttery: http://www.all-battery.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1511

Charger: http://www.all-battery.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=478

-Shrigg

leteeci

2008 April 23rd, 10:47

yeah if we get 25 buyers....

I think 25 buyers won't be a problem.. One question: How did you solve the problem of buttons?

Thanks,

david

hammerfilm

2008 April 23rd, 13:13

Duke

2008 April 23rd, 13:30

Has anyone look at adapting this monitor? I read the Resolution 1440(W) x 234(H) ; 336,960 pixels The ratio seems possibly a typo on an other site where someone was listing the specs. It' called a Voyager AOM-7694 7'' TFT LCD Color Monitor
http://www.anythingrv.com/staticpages/index.php/RV_Three_Camera_Systems. A few on Ebay as well for a lot less.
Terry

The 1440 width is three color pixels to trick you into thinking it's high resolution. Sort of scam. I'ts actually 480x234, or low resolution. They are ok for framing the shot, but not for focusing.

Duke

wiseguydigital

2008 April 23rd, 13:51

Well if it all looks good then I can definitely be counted in :) (As long as you can ship to the uk?)

CanonShooter

2008 April 23rd, 14:43

Man..I'm so strapped for time, anybody can tell me how much it would take to get one of you enterprising DIY'ers to build one for me? :)

Are these monitors able to flip btw? That alone would make me be willing to pay someone to build one for me.

PM me for quicker response. Thanks

twoneil

2008 April 23rd, 15:22

Here is my DIY monitor; blends in perfectly with nature:hv20-smilie110:.
http://inlinethumb16.webshots.com/38991/2439585880102357908S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2439585880102357908bVNIfT)

It's starting to break down though, that's why I will still need that casing dthreatt.

http://inlinethumb41.webshots.com/41000/2320543200102357908S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2320543200102357908YYqJHL)
*shot with HV20 + 35mm adapter btw.

hammerfilm

2008 April 23rd, 17:50

The 1440 width is three color pixels to trick you into thinking it's high resolution. Sort of scam. I'ts actually 480x234, or low resolution. They are ok for framing the shot, but not for focusing.

Duke

Thanks Duke.

hammerfilm

2008 April 23rd, 17:52

Towneil, That looks hilariously like a one of those digital picture frames. Is that where you got the case?

Terry

mtbr7

2008 April 24th, 03:59

I'm still in around $60.

David

2008 April 24th, 11:33

Anybody know if these HDMI controller kits will work with other Toshiba LCDs? The 800x600 resolution versions of the LCD are practically being given away.

Shrigg

2008 April 25th, 16:27

Anybody know if these HDMI controller kits will work with other Toshiba LCDs? The 800x600 resolution versions of the LCD are practically being given away.

Probably not. I know Johnzo had to have these controllers specially programmed in China to work with the 12.1 and the 10.6 LCD's. I also know that a 10.6 controller will NOT work with a 12.1 LCD, so I'd say working with other panel is very unlikely. I could be wrong though...

-Shrigg

Shrigg

2008 April 25th, 16:30

Probably not. I know Johnzo had to have these controllers specially programmed in China to work with the 12.1 and the 10.6 LCD's. I also know that a 10.6 controller will NOT work with a 12.1 LCD, so I'd say working with other panel is very unlikely. I could be wrong though...

-Shrigg

Also I wouldn't say 800x600 is the greatest for HD focus checking.

dthreatt

2008 April 26th, 03:57

I think 25 buyers won't be a problem.. One question: How did you solve the problem of buttons?

Thanks,

david

well...i wanted to add the button pad but it was double to time to manufacture and double the price.

a few people have said that u can use a ir remote. for now it will be ghetto rigged and plug in to program :)

David

2008 April 26th, 22:08

Also I wouldn't say 800x600 is the greatest for HD focus checking.

Yeah, but they're SO much cheaper (like under $30) I could definitely find something useful to do with them if there was an easy way to get them to work.

gfi

2008 April 27th, 08:49

Hello friends!

There are great discount now on 12,1"LCD + controller sets now.
Also in stock....20Sets of 10.6" WXGA LTN106W2-L01 +HDMI MSTcontroller is added to the english language Shop, pls look also to the high quality Pixelworks controller sets, the firmware/program is optimised for different LCD size!!
see you!!!
Gerhard

Your Diy-Beamer.com Team
http://www.diy-beamer.com

den59

2008 April 27th, 09:52

Hi everybody,

i'm not very experience with the monitors, but just wonna ask, if Hammi 8'' is ok as an
external monitor for flip+focusing? http://izzotek.com/achat/index.php?catid=13
I could not find a thread where it is mentioned. Maybe u can recommend others cheap and small options under 200 Euro?

Or maybe some easy DIY stuff? :)
it seems, that the box for the monitor kits is the main problem, since i don't have a lot of instruments to do it, I would go with DIY for monitor, even if I went for DOF adapter.

thanks!

Cheers,
Denis

Duke

2008 April 27th, 10:42

Here's the problem. 800x600 is 480,000 pixels total. That's less than half a megapixel. The sensor is sending 1920x1080, which is 2.1 megapixels. On that monitor you can be up to 2-4 pixels off diagonally if you use that screen to manually focus. (The monitor is reading 1/4 of the data and diagonal is worse.)

OTOH, the DIY 1280x760 monitor is over one megapixel allowing one pixel off if you use the screen to focus.

If you are shooting for DVD or TV you will never notice. If you are shooting for Blu-ray or film you may discover that your images are softer than you intended.

I figure I spent about $400 to build my DIY monitor. The Hami 8 seems like a great price at about $290 USD, but for an extra $110 I'd pick the extra capabilities. You might not want the hassle of building the DIY monitor but if you can handle it you end up with a monitor with more versatility.

Duke

den59

2008 April 27th, 12:57

Thanks, Duke!
I guess http://lcd4video.com/lcd_monitor-full.html monitor is even worse since it is
1440x234? However, if u got 1440, u can focus using horizontal resolution, may be it is enough? Does anyone have an experience with these monitors? For 169$ it's not that bad :)

Cheers,
Denis

Duke

2008 April 27th, 13:08

Unfortunately that is marketing hype, or a scam. Those monitors are not really 1440x234. They are counting the three colors as seperate pixels. It's really 480x234.

Those monitors are ok for framing the shot, but you can't focus with them. It's been discussed on many threads. Sorry. :(

Duke

den59

2008 April 27th, 13:40

Aha, ok, Thank you for advise, I was about to buy them...
Sorry for keep asking, but what about that one:
http://www.amazon.com/LILLIPUT-INCHES-TOUCH-SCREEN-MONITOR/dp/B000AYG9F6
?

But, actually, more I search, more I want to go with DIY (probably later), maybe just to buy a case when someone will come up with the prototype for the good price...

Denis

wiseguydigital

2008 April 27th, 14:36

Sorry guys, I'll have to back out of the monitor case now as I have been able to buy a 10.6" screen from DIY Beamer... they seem to be back in stock?!

zephyrnoid

2008 April 29th, 09:38

David

2008 April 29th, 13:24

My casing production is ramping up soon so anyone that want's a custom sized aluminum case for $50.00 should contact me soon. We're making 25 at a time.

This is different than the dthreatt casing?

Anybody have actual photos of either of these custom cases? Any info on how the button issue is resolved?

wiseguydigital

2008 April 29th, 14:18

Really? Back in Stock? Where's the link to that ? Thanks
BTW, My casing production is ramping up soon so anyone that want's a custom sized aluminum case for $50.00 should contact me soon. We're making 25 at a time.

I just went back on the store and they again seem to have sold out - they definitely got them back in stock as I have a delivery notice from them yesterday - may be worth giving them a call?!

If you are making any aluminium cases for the 10.6" screen that would be amazing. I was looking at making one myself and then I was going to get it anodised (anodized for US readers) to really give it some strength.

zephyrnoid

2008 April 30th, 14:02

Sometimes in life, the solution is right under our nose. Button mounting or 'accommodation' still requires either a compromise or drilling, still. I'm close to rolling it out now. But hey, if they keep going in and out of stock, we need to locate the source of so called 'Manhattan LCD'. China? These would be about 1/4 the price if bough straight from manufacturer Samsung at cost Plus 10%:hv20-smilie81:

I just went back on the store and they again seem to have sold out - they definitely got them back in stock as I have a delivery notice from them yesterday - may be worth giving them a call?!

If you are making any aluminium cases for the 10.6" screen that would be amazing. I was looking at making one myself and then I was going to get it anodised (anodized for US readers) to really give it some strength.

manoeuvre

2008 May 1st, 06:06

I would be interested in putting one of these together with the Manhattan lcd 12.1" is there anything I should look out for dealing with Australian power (230v I believe) Will there be any problem with batteries etc, or sourcing additional parts?
I must admit I'm a total noob with this type of thing.
My U.S HV30 arrived today so I'm not concerned with PAL signal issues as such, it says PAL/NTSC in the spec sheet anyway.

I would also be interested in a custom case for one of these too!

Thank you.

vibrations

2008 May 1st, 07:22

I
If you are making any aluminium cases for the 10.6" screen that would be amazing.
i'm interested in an alu 10.6 case too - with a mountpoint for attaching to a camera arm : )

texasmfp

2008 May 1st, 14:45

geckosurlemur

2008 May 1st, 15:15

Hi Guys: need some fast help here. I built the 10.6" manhattanlcd kit a week ago. It worked great until I accidently connected it to a battery. Its possible that I reversed the polarity on the plug, or its possible that it simply gave out, but the board is dead now (no LED power light, no inverter light, nothing).

Manhattan LCD is out of stock and it will be weeks before I can get replacement. DIY-Beamer can't get it to me in time.

I have a shoot on Saturday for the DC 48 Hour Film Project. Does anybody have an extra MST board that they can sell to me (and more importantly, ship it today via overnight delivery) or know a retailer where I can buy a board? Alternatively, does anybody live in the DC area that can let me borrow their monitor for a day (or sell me theirs? Desperation time here. $$$ is no object.

Thanks

the board is dead?
i'm not sure but i think that if you reverse the polarity you break the backlight (not the board). so if you buy a new board for you unbacklighted panel you will not have a result.
but the the LCD panel and board works without backlight. you can't see the picture but it work. so it is always good to make a diy beamer. maybe you can sold it on lumenlab.

as you can see my english is not good at all. if you do not endrestand what i wrote i can try to do something better

texasmfp

2008 May 1st, 15:18

Thanks. There is no LED power light, no backlight, no image on the screen, nothing.

geckosurlemur

2008 May 3rd, 17:38

it's dificult to see a picture if there is no backlight but try with a heavy contrasted picture.
try to make a 90° angle between you, the lcd panel and a sun ray.

with the same mistake i first thought that it was dead but now it work great in a diy beamer. the only problem was the dead backlight. board is ok

Shrigg

2008 May 4th, 12:04

Is the Zephyrnoid case for the 12.1 or 10.6? I am starting to wonder if any dthreatt cases will ever happen...

-Shrigg

zephyrnoid

2008 May 4th, 13:04

Here's a clue. the case can be for ANY monitor size because I order the sections custom. The hard part for me has been getting funds together to get the button drilling CNC'd. I have NO machines or tools. Mounting too.
In fact, Manhattan LCD refused to send us a kit to help us build the casing. So I'm looking to discover the source for the components to do an end-run on Mahattan LCD- since they seem to be small time operators- Sorry to be nasty, but hey, customers are beating at the door and we don't know this person's exact location, name or anything.:hv20-smilie15: If someone with no case is willing to let me fabricate one as a test for the forum, then I can get this show on the road. Otherwise, we'll have to wait and wait and wait some more.

Is the Zephyrnoid case for the 12.1 or 10.6? I am starting to wonder if any dthreatt cases will ever happen...

-Shrigg

Duke

2008 May 4th, 13:14

What happened to DIY? I still think the Action Electronics boxes are great.

Duke

i_make_tshirts

2008 May 4th, 16:21

what would the 10.6 casings look like for the group buy?

vibrations

2008 May 4th, 17:24

What happened to DIY? I still think the Action Electronics boxes are great.

unfortunately they don't ship internationally...
i'm still interested in a 10.6 case - black powdercoat please!
and i guess i'd need a mountpoint -opposite- the hdmi edge
as i'm now in upside-down shrigg rig territory!

a true work of art that shrigg rig.... v impressed
perfect for monitor mounting - and what a great price!

i_make_tshirts

2008 May 4th, 18:48

*backtracked*

im down for the 10.6 casing please

zephyrnoid

2008 May 5th, 09:26

OK
Work with me folks.
Duke- The casing solution I've discovered is cheap custom in that it allows for the outer frame to be any dimension you need (not a one-size-fits-all) and will elegantly deal with screen mounting. What it requires is a clean drilling of access holes for the buttons (if they are to be inset versus surface mounted)
The hold up is money and access to a CNC shop for the button hole drilling and ,mounting. The key advantage over the otherwise pretty darn good Action Electronics boxes is that there's no need to cut out a hole for the screen.
1) Is the 10.6 kit back in stock at ManhattanLCD?
2) who has all the required dimensions for the 10.6 case. In otherwords
A- minimum dimensions required for the screen
B- interior front to back clearance to accommodate the screen & Controller
C- dimensions of button array
D- Other critical dimensions
Thanks

David

2008 May 5th, 12:32

Not to step on zephyrnoid or dthrett's toes, but has anybody priced places like http://www.emachineshop.com/ or http://www.redeyerpm.com/ for custom cases?

Those 1-off places aren't the cheapest in the world, but if somebody has a cad layout like the 3-d pics shown earlier in this thread, you could get a 1-off price and just go for it.

zephyrnoid

2008 May 5th, 20:34

I love the competition. Our cases should come in at $40 a piece on an order of 10 or more :hv20-smilie03:
As always, paying for the first one is the main pain.

Not to step on zephyrnoid or dthrett's toes, but has anybody priced places like http://www.emachineshop.com/ or http://www.redeyerpm.com/ for custom cases?

Those 1-off places aren't the cheapest in the world, but if somebody has a cad layout like the 3-d pics shown earlier in this thread, you could get a 1-off price and just go for it.

CraWea

2008 May 7th, 08:54

1) Is the 10.6 kit back in stock at ManhattanLCD?

The answer I got:

I have two, and they are going fast.

-John

I took my chances, so according to my calculations.... :hv20-smilie64: ...that leaves one kit.

Our cases should come in at $40 a piece on an order of 10 or more :hv20-smilie03:

So what should I expect the price to be if I order one, and when will I be able to do so? :hv20-smilie03:

wiseguydigital

2008 May 7th, 10:05

Zephyrnoid, do you have any examples of what your casing looks like? I would be interested in this I reckon as my 10.6 kit turned up today.

-----------

For those of you who are interested I also found this site today which says they supply the screens through their B2B site: http://www.horizontechnology.com/display/Samsung/LTN106W2.htm. (http://www.horizontechnology.com/display/Samsung/LTN106W2.htm)

From their site:

The items listed above are currently available to Horizon Technology and may not necessarily be in Horizon's stock. Horizon Technology is a volume based business-to-business distributor. We do not sell to consumers. For pricing and availability please call 949.595.8244. Minimum quantities apply.They also sell controller boards and kits. I don't think they offer controllers with HDMI though. You can go to DIY-Beamer though for those :) (http://www.diy-beamer.com/EN/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=314)

manoeuvre

2008 May 7th, 21:02

I just purchased the 10.6 Kit at Manhattan Lcd, I noticed when I went back to the store after they had this screen listed instead

10.9 Kit w/ MST
Our Price: $325.00

Very Popular 10.9 Toshiba LCD w/ MST Controller

The kit includes the 10.9 LCD module, MST controller, all cables (Yes, its comes with LVDS cable), backlight ballast, and remote. Toshiba screen is WXGA, 1366 x 768, 600:1 contrast, 16:9 aspect ratio.

The MST controller has the following connections: HDMI (HDCP compliant), Component, VGA, S-Video, CVBS, and TV tuner.

David

2008 May 8th, 02:41

I just purchased the 10.6 Kit at Manhattan Lcd, I noticed when I went back to the store after they had this screen listed instead

10.9 Kit w/ MST
Our Price: $325.00

Very Popular 10.9 Toshiba LCD w/ MST Controller

Interesting. So the 10.6 Samsung has been 'replaced' by a 10.9 toshiba. Anybody have any idea what model this 10.9 might be and how it might compare to the 10.6 or the 12.1?

Duncan Craig

2008 May 8th, 13:16

Another 12.1 inch owner here, looking for a case too.
Cheers Guys.

texasmfp

2008 May 8th, 13:24

Hi Guys:

I just heard from Gerhard at DIY Beamer. He is having problems with his web site. I ordered the new Pixelworks board to play around with and see how it compares (it features 1:1 scaled mapping and a better menu). I have not tried to hook it up yet because 1) the two boards, when joined together are 12.5 inches across, so you will need a larger case, and 2) unlike the MST board, there are some connections that you will need to make (i.e., power leads that will need plugs) and since there are minimal instructions its not plug & play like the MST. When I work things out (and when I get my replacement boards from Manhatten LCD), I'll post a comparison between the MST and Pixelworks boards.

BTW, the new Pixelworks board works with the W1 lcd. Gerhard says that in a few weeks he will offer a kit for the W2 lcd (it has slightly different LVDS cables).

The Gobbler

2008 May 8th, 14:20

So basically it's sub $500 to have a 10.9 monitor that easily outperforms any field monitor that's sub $2000. Time to build me one of these bad boys. I'm glad I've held off for years buying one.

jmckimm

2008 May 8th, 15:01

I bought a 12.1 and hoping the dthreatt case comes through.

texasmfp

2008 May 8th, 15:10

So basically it's sub $500 to have a 10.9 monitor that easily outperforms any field monitor that's sub $2000. Time to build me one of these bad boys. I'm glad I've held off for years buying one.

Marshall makes 10.4" monitors with comparable resulution. They also have blue gun support and other features. But they range from $1599 to $2699, depending on the configuration. In addition the Marshalls weigh 4 lbs. The 10.6 setup weighs just 2 lbs (mine was 2.4 but that's because I used three 2" pieces and 1 8 inch piece of 1/4" aluminum bar stock for extra rigidity and for tapping and drilling 1/4-20 mounting holes). I'll post some pix soon.

This monitor is easily camera-mountable. I just got the new Manfrotto 482LCD ball head mount. Works great for focus and framing, but I would not trust it for accurate color rendition. That would be where the extra $1,200+ for the Marshall would come in. (Note that I am hoping that the new Pixelworks board will offer better controls over color such that it can be calibrated for accuracy). Will test and report after its set up.

P.S. I am trying to source an anti-glare/reflective protective polycarbonate screen (same as used by the Marshall) that will work with our kits.

sinapps

2008 May 9th, 10:29

Selling my 10.6" screen & board. Never used. http://hv20.com/showthread.php?p=87351#post87351

i_make_tshirts

2008 May 9th, 20:20

sinapps: may i ask why youre selling

oooo.. maybe cause these are damn nice

http://www.manhattanlcd.com/PhotoGallery.asp?ProductCode=1001

David

2008 May 9th, 20:53

sinapps: may i ask why youre selling

decided to go with a smaller Lilliput instead.

oooo.. maybe cause these are damn nice
http://www.manhattanlcd.com/PhotoGallery.asp?ProductCode=1001

Do we know if those are damn nice? I searched around Lumenlab to see if Johnzo had posted any info about them but I didn't find any. Does anybody know anything about these new ones?

sinapps

2008 May 9th, 22:50

sinapps: may i ask why youre selling

oooo.. maybe cause these are damn nice

http://www.manhattanlcd.com/PhotoGallery.asp?ProductCode=1001

Trying to reduce the size of my rig.

wiseguydigital

2008 May 10th, 11:16

I thought I'd test out the 10.6" kit that I have before I made the case and I seem to be having problems. I'm sure everything is wired up correctly , yet when I turn the monitor on (which works fine) I just get a blank white screen and no image on any input. I have decided to see if I need more power in my Tekkeon 3450 battery so will try again later. If not, anyone got any ideas what may be wrong?

clkvang

2008 May 11th, 02:04

zephyrnoid, put me down on the list for the case as I just finished my DOF and shooting with the screen upside is no fun. Building one of these monitors with flip and mirror capabilities will have me set. Thanks.

den59

2008 May 11th, 02:48

put me in the list as well.

Cheers,
Denis

wiseguydigital

2008 May 11th, 05:06

Aha - all good now that I bothered to charge the battery a little more!!! Um... just wondering if anyone else gets this. The picture is very blue even with changing the settings, but when viewed from below (at about a 45 degree angle) the picture looks correct? Any thoughts?

In fact even if I set the screen to display static using the TV mode, then the static is blue and white... does that mean that the graphics processor on the controller is broken?

Duke

2008 May 11th, 09:03

wiseguydigital

2008 May 11th, 16:18

There is an auto calibration button/setting. Also, make sure you've removed the light blue film from the screen.

Duke

Thanks for your advice Duke. There is no film over the screen and I have used the menu to set contrast, warmth etc but the screen is still primarily tinted blue. Oh and I also just noticed that it can't display yellow (the yellow icons used in the hv20 menu come out red)!

If I look at an angle from above it is sort of normal, if I look straight on at it is blue tinted, and if I look from at angle from below it is very, very blue.
Just seems very odd.

I think it must be a faulty screen or board.

Duke

2008 May 12th, 00:05

Is your controler one of ones with a blue-gun setting maybe? Blue-gun is for calibration and turns everything blue. Look though your menus for that. Blue-gun is actually an advanced feature. I'd also look for the auto calibrate feature rather than trying to set them manually.

After than I'd start talking to them about a new set.

Duke

wiseguydigital

2008 May 12th, 03:45

Hi Duke, it's the 10.6" LTN106W2-L01 Samsung screen and the MST9E19A controller from diy-beamer.com. I thought that it auto-calibrated? I searched around but can't find any calibration options?

I have included some stills of the menu (there is an option called Blue Screen that's only available with the TV channel - it simply turns static off and replaces it with a blue screen)...

nitrofour

2008 May 13th, 19:55

i'll take a case too...

what's the update on those?

texasmfp

2008 May 13th, 23:00

Hi Guys:

I am working with Gerhard at DIY-Beamer to come up with the correct setup for using the Pixelworks board with our HV20 needs. So far, it looks like we don't need the right board (the set originally included 2 boards), just the left board along with a plug that goes over the pins. So the single board is actually a little smaller than the MST board. We are also working on the battery power solution, trying to figure out the correct wiring (I don't want to fry another board). Finally, his site is back up and it looks like he now has a Pixelworks board configured for a 7" LCD - for those of you who want to go even smaller. I'll let you guys know when I get a side-by side of the two boards on the 10.6" LCDs.

Cheers

texasmfp

2008 May 13th, 23:02

Oh and yes, what's the word on the custom cases? Gonna order another cap box soon if this doesn't get off the ground. Cheers

i_make_tshirts

2008 May 14th, 03:33

*crosses fingers*

texasmfp: i'll go in with you on the 2nd cap box .. im in TX too

texasmfp

2008 May 14th, 12:55

Thanks, but I live in Wash DC. Just born and raised in Texas (San Antone). You can order 1 cap box at a time (at least I could by using USPS mail rather than UPS).

i_make_tshirts

2008 May 14th, 14:16

oohh i did an internship in DC for GE..

thanks for the info on the cap box.. what size LCD are you doing up? 10.6"?

texasmfp

2008 May 14th, 14:23

10.6" Two of them. One is using the MST board and one is using the Pixelworks board. I plan on posting a comparison of the two boards when all is said and done.

i_make_tshirts

2008 May 14th, 15:08

10.6 still suitable for camera mounting? how much is that 7in from DIYbeamer you had mentioned?

edit: aahhh or is it only the board?

wiseguydigital

2008 May 14th, 16:17

I think DIY-beamer are updating to the Toshiba 10.9 inch LCD LTD109EX1S screens with contrast:600:1,and 1366x768 real(16:9) which may be a better standard for making cases as they seem far more available.

i_make_tshirts

2008 May 14th, 17:00

oh yeah.. forgot about that

does anyone have a pic of a 10.9ish LCD on a rig?

dimdizo

2008 May 18th, 15:55

Anybody purchased this kit?

http://diyprojectorkits.com/welcome/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage-ask.tpl&product_id=87&category_id=46&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=85

travnpam

2008 May 20th, 11:55

Gymnut808

2008 May 20th, 15:48

I'm a "lerker" in this forum but I thought I'd at least throw in with what I've found...

http://www.pactecenclosures.com/Plastic-Enclosures/LH129-175.html

I found this case for $25 to my door (19+5 shipping). I haven't had time to do the whole DIY thing to it yet but initially it looks pretty good. It's a little big in the height dim but for 25 bucks I'll take it.

Travis

I'm not familiar with those cases, but isn't the material(ABS-94HB) plastic? How well do you think it'll stand up to excessive heat? From what I hear these displays can get pretty hot. Best of luck on your build and I'm still pondering whether I want to go the DIY route or just bite the bullet and get a Marshall.

travnpam

2008 May 20th, 19:28

I'm not familiar with those cases, but isn't the material(ABS-94HB) plastic? How well do you think it'll stand up to excessive heat? From what I hear these displays can get pretty hot. Best of luck on your build and I'm still pondering whether I want to go the DIY route or just bite the bullet and get a Marshall.

The spec shows good up to around 200 degrees, then a softening around 221. I plan on an aluminum doubler behind the attachment.

I got it yesterday and it seems pretty durable but I doubt I'll be putting it through any kind of rough field applications.

It's only $25 if it turns out to be Fubar'd...:hv20-smilie47:

dthreatt

2008 May 21st, 22:36

Is the Zephyrnoid case for the 12.1 or 10.6? I am starting to wonder if any dthreatt cases will ever happen...

-Shrigg

takes 6 weeks for a prototype fellas...I am on the 2nd rev of the prototype. $2000 in... 2 more weeks b4 final comes back

travnpam

2008 May 21st, 23:11

Is the polarity for the MST controller center positive?

Electricity is magic to me and I don't have a manual for the board.

den59

2008 May 22nd, 02:10

takes 6 weeks for a prototype fellas...I am on the 2nd rev of the prototype. $2000 in... 2 more weeks b4 final comes back

Thank you for working on that, man! :hv20-smilie77:
Good luck and we all look forward to see the results...

Peace,
Denis

manoeuvre

2008 May 22nd, 05:00

Hey Guys,

I just got my 10.6 LCD kit. I'm going to give making my own case a go, I just purchased this aluminum box from an Australian company but it's a US Distributer so they are pretty easy to get just about anywhere.
The parts I got are the 1442-22 and the 1434-22 lid you can see them here.
http://www.alliedelec.com/Images/Products/DataSheets/BM/HAMMOND_MFG/Hammond-Mfg_Enclosure-and-Cooling_8063026.pdf

www.rs-components.com

I'll post some pictures when it arrives.

johnzo1995

2008 May 22nd, 20:34

Hey guys, this is johnzo from manhattanlcd. I have 10.9 kits instock, and 7.2 kits next week. www.manhattanlcd.com

zephyrnoid

2008 May 22nd, 22:51

Oh gosh! So MANY new options for enclosures. I like that last one manoeuvre ! Any idea of pricing. Mine is hitting some snags so... we'll see.

Gymnut808

2008 May 22nd, 23:26

I agree! I was in Radioshack today looking for a 1ft 3.5mm stereo male to male cable(unfortunately they did not carry this cable length) and just about pooped my pants when I saw they had project enclosures: http://www.radioshack.com/search/index.jsp?kwCatId=&kw=project%20enclosure&origkw=project%20enclosure&sr=1

Unfortunately they're not large enough for our needs:hv20-smilie119:

And so the saga continues....

Gymnut808

2008 May 22nd, 23:32

Prices vary on size, but seem very affordable!

http://www.alliedelec.com/Search/SearchResults.asp?N=0&Ntt=1444&Ntk=Primary&i=3&sid=4834B78046F0617F

manoeuvre

2008 May 23rd, 00:36

The enclosure and lid ended up costing me $77AUD shipped, I could of got it cheaper at one of the other Australian Distributors but rs-components was the only one that had a web shop with secure credit card services.
They are importing them from the U.S. so it's not that bad I guess, certainly compared with the price of buying aluminium sheet and doing that part "badly" myself.

This is the actual manufacturer I believe if you want to go straight to the source

http://www.hammondmfg.com/scpg.htm

Here is the list of distributors

http://www.hammondmfg.com/dists.htm

:hv20-smilie77:

JoachimF

2008 May 23rd, 04:55

Guys, have you seen this? Sharp 7.2" WXGA monitor...

http://www.manhattanlcd.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=1000

If that's any good, I think I'll be getting that!

wiseguydigital

2008 May 23rd, 07:12

Guys, have you seen this? Sharp 7.2" WXGA monitor...

http://www.manhattanlcd.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=1000

If that's any good, I think I'll be getting that!
I think it has really bad contrast ration, take a look at this thread: http://www.lumenlab.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=20217

zcream

2008 May 23rd, 08:06

Hmm. This would be the perfect size though..

David

2008 May 23rd, 14:55

I think it has really bad contrast ration, take a look at this thread: http://www.lumenlab.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=20217

From that thread:
http://www.lumenlab.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=20217&view=findpost&p=234216

"Contrast ratio is very good, no ghosting issues. Here's some pictures"

And the mahattan LCD site says 400:1 contrast ratio

For more info on this panel, google up info on the Toshiba Libretto U100 which is the UMPC that uses this LCD. The toshiba seems to get pretty decent reviews on its screen. I think this 7.2" is a go :hv20-smilie77:

i_make_tshirts

2008 May 23rd, 16:49

possible to do a group buy?

Cpt.Comix

2008 May 23rd, 17:12

I'm in for it. Is there a controller yet? If yes, we´re two.

David

2008 May 23rd, 18:45

possible to do a group buy?

I'm in for it. Is there a controller yet? If yes, we´re two.

If you're both talking about the 7.2", Mahattan LCD is selling them. They have a controller but the whole thing is on 'pre order' until next week, which is why there's no photo on the manhattan site. The only reason I wouldn't jump just yet is because, afaik, so far there hasn't been widespread testing of this model. Again, I think it's notable that manhattan LCD doesn't have a photo of the item.

There was another guy in the lumenlabs thread who said he would be selling them with controller for $300 in a couple weeks (instead of the $385 that Manhattan is selling them for) although the owner of manhattan LCD claims the other guy won't be able to get it to work with the controller he's using.

In any case, I think this is GREAT news and I'm interested in seeing what this LCD really looks like, how it performs and what the final price point will be.

zephyrnoid

2008 May 24th, 21:42

First Trial- ENCLOSURE solution.
The cat's out of the bag! Nielsen makes a molding 35-20 that seems to fit the bill . customizable frames with nice depth for good ventilation and real estate for mounting hardware. These are just quick FPO ( for position only ). I screwed up the order and so the frame you see here, actually crops the image by 1/2" so I'll have to order another before i continue. More later
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/zephyrnoid/p35-20black.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/zephyrnoid/Case_4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/zephyrnoid/Case_3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/zephyrnoid/Case_2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v226/zephyrnoid/Case_1.jpg

Gymnut808

2008 May 24th, 21:54

Fantastic looking! I presume that's the 12.1" LCD in there?

Edit: I've seen their site and this does look promising. I'm guessing those screws in the back anchoring those L brackets could be used to mount some kind of backing plate? Is the frame basically two L's coming together or is it actually four separate pieces anchored by those four L brackets? If it's the latter, you could just leave out whichever end you intend for the ports to be.

zephyrnoid

2008 May 24th, 22:14

Mounting of the CKT Board will be on a flat aluminum panel that will mount on the inside back of the box, where you see those 'L' brackets. The 'L' brackets are dedicated to clamping the 4 corners together (4 sections). Drilling will have to be done for the connectors to poke through and obviously the Ballast mounts on one side and the control panel on the other (with it's own drill holes).
I envision 2 sets of 1/4X20 bushings. One top and the other bottom. There's a good bunch of free space available for that, due to the depth of the Molding. That's pretty much it. One thing I should mention. It's not heavy but very heavy duty and the sweet part is that you just unscrew the 4 brackets and viola! the unit is apart for service/upgrades etc.
I must work on a deal with Nielsen as this little frame cost me $30 as it is!:hv20-smilie36: My framer likes to suck my blood you see.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Snnb6MQTEM

Fantastic looking! I presume that's the 12.1" LCD in there?

Edit: I've seen their site and this does look promising. I'm guessing those screws in the back anchoring those L brackets could be used to mount some kind of backing plate? Is the frame basically two L's coming together or is it actually four separate pieces anchored by those four L brackets? If it's the latter, you could just leave out whichever end you intend for the ports to be.

David

2008 May 24th, 23:01

You are one clever SOB! :hv20-smilie70:

Have you checked out American Frame? I can't find a profile that's as deep as the one you have, but this one from american frame would only cost $7.20 for a 7"x11" frame:

http://www.americanframe.com/catalog/collection.html?col=Canvas

David

2008 May 25th, 00:06

Warehouse Framers has the Nielson 35 profile for about 2/3rds of the cost of other places. You can get a 7"x11" for about $18
http://warehouseframers.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=NS-35-20&Category_Code=NS-35

The only downside is shipping, which is $10 for one frame. But it's the same amount for any order up to $100, so you could get five of those frames for $10 shipping. Or, if there was an interested party who lives in Atlanta, they can shop from this place directly.

$20 for a deep frame-case sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

Gymnut808

2008 May 25th, 00:28

Wow Zeph,

You plan on going all out. I thought you would have just left open whatever side that the ports would be on rather than drill holes for each connection. Have you an idea of how the button panel would be mounted?

Edit: Ah re-read your post to see you do intend to drill holes for the buttons. I know this is a little premature, but is this even possible to keep around $60, when you factor in the parts and labor costs? I would gladly pay more for a custom made case as opposed to me MacGyver'ing it(and probably doing a piss poor job in the process). Possible mounting options? Would it incorporate a 1/4" hole? 12.1" might be a bit much to mount atop the HV20/30, but I wonder if the Sharp 7.2" LCD receives stellar reviews and is in abundant supply, would it make for an ideal small camera mountable monitor?

zephyrnoid

2008 May 25th, 09:24

>> DAVID- Good find on Warehouse Framers. I'll call them Tuesday to see if they're willing to custom cut chops. Ready made will NOT work for this project as I'm depending on the front bezel to hold the screen, thus the chops need to be custom for each screen size. The only way to bring unit cost down would be to negotiate a three way partnership between kits supplier (No solution for an enclosure), Chops supplier and me (hey! I'll never see money out of this)
>>Gymnut8080- I only go all out- no ghetto projects for Moi ! The button panel will be pinned to the inside of one short side, holes will pass to the buttons and I should be able to source some cheap and servicable surface buttons.
The Sharp 7.2" LCD should be the go to size for field monitoring anyway. That's what I'm hoping will be in abundant supply.
If the wholesale cost of the chops can be brought down to earth, it should be mass produceable for around the $60 you cited. But who knows for sure?
The good news is we've found the magic bullet- Nielsen P35-20.

Dmitriy

2008 May 27th, 19:20

zephyrnoid, great find. Could you clarify why the ready made would not work. I live an hour outside of Atlanta an am thinking of taking a trip there pretty soon. While there, I would like to visit the Warehouse Framers and get the frame. Also, what do you mean by custom chops?
From what i understand, Warehouse Framers can custom cut the sides to any length and assemble it. Also, I assume it can be then taken apart by unscrewing the L brackets.

johnzo1995

2008 May 27th, 21:27

This is johnzo1995 from lumenlab, im running a presale on the 7.2's and I also have the 10.9 instock.

Gymnut808

2008 May 27th, 22:16

Hi Johnzo, I read your posts on lumenlab and what would be the damage for the 7.2"?

David

2008 May 27th, 22:21

Hi Johnzo, I read your posts on lumenlab and what would be the damage for the 7.2"?

Are you asking about the price??? It's listed on his website: www.manhattanlcd.com

johnzo1995

2008 May 27th, 22:50

Its 385 for right now. I should have them by the end of week.

zephyrnoid

2008 May 27th, 22:54

"Ready made" would only work if they were sized correctly for the screen. Indeed, I called Warehouse Framers and they do cut custom chops. That's vernacular for "exact size" chops. Chops are how we refer to the 4 frame sides, as they are always cut from 10' long stock.
Yes. The 'L' brackets are friction locks for holding the corners together. Been putting them together for pictures for as long as I can remember. You can assemble and dis-assembles as often as you wish.

:hv20-smilie64: A word of warning to those intent on ordering their own chops. Pay close attention to the front bezel of this frame profile (35-20). It crops a lot of the screen out so you have to make an allowance and fill that allowance with a spacer- that way you can display ALL of the image with no cropping.Don't order chops to match the OUTSIDE dimensions of the screen as I so foolishly did.:hv20-smilie119:

zephyrnoid, great find. Could you clarify why the ready made would not work. I live an hour outside of Atlanta an am thinking of taking a trip there pretty soon. While there, I would like to visit the Warehouse Framers and get the frame. Also, what do you mean by custom chops?
From what i understand, Warehouse Framers can custom cut the sides to any length and assemble it. Also, I assume it can be then taken apart by unscrewing the L brackets.

MAGICOFPYRO

2008 May 27th, 23:08

some really nice set-ups in this thread, I'm curious though if any has thought or tried using a widescreen computer monitor (lcd) and a hdmi to dmi cable ?

I'm thinking it would work and you can pick up the cable online for $10 bucks and their practically giving away flat panel monitors nowadays.

Please let me know if any of you have tried it cause I can't stand looking at my low res RCA headrest monitor any longer!

http://www.optimization-world.com/details/prodid/8.html
http://www.optimization-world.com/uploads/images/products/hdmi_to_dvi_28f_large.jpg

and a monitor like this from newegg is only $150 bucks

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824254018

http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/24-254-018-03.jpg

zephyrnoid

2008 May 27th, 23:09

This message from Warehouse framers...
"There's a 4 foot minimum order. a single 5 x 7 frame for example, in 35-20 would be
$24.28. 25 frames or more (same moulding and finish) would be $18.21
each.100 - 150 frames would be $16.50 each. Please let me know if you need
more info. Carol"
So what this means is that a group-buy makes huge sense. That means one person takes the orders & collects the funds to pay for and ship the chops.
I've had to back-burner my participation in this trial due to unexpected mission orders that have me on travel. But as soon as I know the correct dims of the 7.2" screen, will be placing my order. I strongly suggest that those that are thinking of doing it this way and that have yet to order Screen Kits to get together on a group buy.

Kyleman

2008 May 27th, 23:20

MAGICOFPYRO, I was just looking up on doing the same thing. Because buying a monitor is very expensive, and building one looks pretty tough. That setup would work. Mounting it would be pretty heavy though.

-Kyle

MAGICOFPYRO

2008 May 27th, 23:42

already thought of that :hv20-smilie68:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2206/2530285702_e413a1f655.jpg?v=0

Kyleman

2008 May 27th, 23:47

Ha! I think I will use a tripod somehow.

-Kyle

Shrigg

2008 May 28th, 01:28

some really nice set-ups in this thread, I'm curious though if any has thought or tried using a widescreen computer monitor (lcd) and a hdmi to dmi cable ?

Uhmm, the point of the DIY monitor is to build something small enough to mount on camera, be handholdable and also battery powered for field shooting.

The desktop lcd you show is not battery powered so it would be unusable outdoors unless you want to be tethered to extension cords. That rules out desktop LCD's unless all your shoots are indoors near power.

-Shrigg

Dmitriy

2008 May 28th, 09:59

zephyrnoid, thank you. I will keep the bezel in mind.

MAGICOFPYRO

2008 May 28th, 11:27

Uhmm, the point of the DIY monitor is to build something small enough to mount on camera, be handholdable and also battery powered for field shooting.

The desktop lcd you show is not battery powered so it would be unusable outdoors unless you want to be tethered to extension cords. That rules out desktop LCD's unless all your shoots are indoors near power.

-Shrigg

what thread are you reading? every one that has posted pictures of their rig has it mounted on a tripod and are using an additional power supply for it, same thing you would do for a lcd, but I guess no one has tried it so i'll answer my own question and just try it. I just wondered why no one tried to use something thats cheaper and already has a built in housing and just as good resolution for less.

pnag

2008 May 28th, 11:29

Hey guys!

Just ordered one of these - 15.4 Samsung Kit w/ MST (WSXGA) from Manhattan LCDs.

Now, the trouble is... I'm in Ireland! I've seen the Tekkeon batteries mentioned, but this is a 210-220V zone, so is there any point in me getting one? If not, any recommendations?

And anyone had any luck with a house for this model? Cheers!

David

2008 May 28th, 13:45

I guess no one has tried it so i'll answer my own question and just try it. I just wondered why no one tried to use something thats cheaper and already has a built in housing and just as good resolution for less.

Of course people have 'tried it' and of course it works. You can also use HDTVs which are inexpensive and already set up to display HD inputs via HDMI and will definitely provide the correct aspect ratio while LCD computer monitors sometimes will fill the screen without any preset aspect ratio adjustments.

But there's no need for an 18-page thread dedicated to discussing something that there are no questions about. The question of "Will an HDTV or a computer monitor will display an image being sent through a cable?" is pretty easy to answer. However, what the topic of THIS thread does NOT have an easy answer.

The question being discussed here is how to get a small, HD resolution, camera mountable LCD (that computer monitor you linked weighs almost 8lbs, which is about the weight of a gallon of water) for less than the thousands and thousands of dollars that are charged for them. Also involved in this discussion is the option of upside-down mounting. If you want to carry a large monitor around, that's fine. But your photo is an illusion if you think that 17" monitor is going to be as small as your picture shows when connected to your camera.

David

2008 May 28th, 13:56

This is what your monitor that's as heavy as a gallon of water is actually going to look like on your HV20

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1002/17inchonhv20mk7.jpg

MAGICOFPYRO

2008 May 28th, 15:18

[QUOTE=David;94480]This is what your monitor that's as heavy as a gallon of water is actually going to look like on your HV20

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1002/17inchonhv20mk7.jpg[/QUOTi

I was half way kidding with that photo but I'm sure I could get a monitor to mount and I have seen smaller size lcd's that are small enough for me to mount, i'm not sure I want the added weight on my camera when I'm tilting up and down - probably would go with the additional tripod support like the others here. As for my tripod it support up to 40 lbs

My current setup I've built works just fine

http://hv20.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1396&d=1208373697

MAGICOFPYRO

2008 May 28th, 15:37

Of course people have 'tried it' and of course it works. You can also use HDTVs which are inexpensive and already set up to display HD inputs via HDMI and will definitely provide the correct aspect ratio while LCD computer monitors sometimes will fill the screen without any preset aspect ratio adjustments.

But there's no need for an 18-page thread dedicated to discussing something that there are no questions about. The question of "Will an HDTV or a computer monitor will display an image being sent through a cable?" is pretty easy to answer. However, what the topic of THIS thread does NOT have an easy answer.

The question being discussed here is how to get a small, HD resolution, camera mountable LCD (that computer monitor you linked weighs almost 8lbs, which is about the weight of a gallon of water) for less than the thousands and thousands of dollars that are charged for them. Also involved in this discussion is the option of upside-down mounting. If you want to carry a large monitor around, that's fine. But your photo is an illusion if you think that 17" monitor is going to be as small as your picture shows when connected to your camera.

you call this small and camera mountable?
http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/11/31303004394.jpg

shenzo

2008 May 28th, 15:54

Hey guys, great thread! +1 for the group order of the 7.2" + case :hv20-smilie70:.

David

2008 May 28th, 16:28

you call this small and camera mountable?

The photo is shot from a high angle and a somewhat wide lens, giving the impression that the monitor is larger than it really is. Additionally, perhaps that is a mini tripod, custom designed to fool the viewer!

Knowing that you are a practitioner of the dark arts :hv20-smilie68:, a master of illusion and of slight-of-hand :hv20-smilie24:, I refuse to answer on the grounds I might incriminate myself :hv20-smilie84:

zephyrnoid

2008 May 28th, 18:17

My Tekkeon's charger AC adapter says " INPUT>100-240V" therefore, you should be fine. all that you need is the proper wall plug adapter.:hv20-smilie77:

I've seen the Tekkeon batteries mentioned, but this is a 210-220V zone, so is there any point in me getting one? If not, any recommendations?

Duke

2008 May 28th, 19:11

what thread are you reading? every one that has posted pictures of their rig has it mounted on a tripod and are using an additional power supply for it, same thing you would do for a lcd, but I guess no one has tried it so i'll answer my own question and just try it. I just wondered why no one tried to use something thats cheaper and already has a built in housing and just as good resolution for less.

I guess you haven't looked too hard. My 10.6" monitor is specifically designed to be camera mounted. Here's another picture.

http://hv20.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1754&stc=1&d=1212016031

http://hv20.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1755&stc=1&d=1212016051

The reason you won't find one cheaper, with a built in housing and as good resolution is we never found any! You need over a megapixel to hand focus in HD. Marshall's at less than a megapixel is $4,000.

Because of the light weight materials I used, and the central mounting location, the monitor balances well on the camera. Oh, and I have my battery Velcroed to the back of the monitor.

Duke

Shrigg

2008 May 28th, 20:07

I guess you haven't looked too hard. My 10.6" monitor is specifically designed to be camera mounted.

The reason you won't find one cheaper, with a built in housing and as good resolution is we never found any! You need over a megapixel to hand focus in HD. Marshall's at less than a megapixel is $4,000.

Because of the light weight materials I used, and the central mounting location, the monitor balances well on the camera. Oh, and I have my battery Velcroed to the back of the monitor.

Duke

Well said, Duke. I too mount the monitor to the camera, the last thing I need is another stand to tip over during a shoot! The newer posters may not realize this thread started about inexpensive alternatives to those high dollar high res LCD field monitors you mentioned.

MAGICOFPYRO

2008 May 28th, 20:41

Sweet setup DUKE, I like the way thats mounted, did that mounting bracket attached to the rails come with the monitor or can you get something like that separate.

MAGICOFPYRO

2008 May 28th, 20:43

The photo is shot from a high angle and a somewhat wide lens, giving the impression that the monitor is larger than it really is. Additionally, perhaps that is a mini tripod, custom designed to fool the viewer!

Knowing that you are a practitioner of the dark arts :hv20-smilie68:, a master of illusion and of slight-of-hand :hv20-smilie24:, I refuse to answer on the grounds I might incriminate myself :hv20-smilie84:

hahaha, you caught me redhanded, its all smoke and mirrors, as for weight Mel doesn't mind a setup that weighs more the 8lbs. :hv20-smilie68:

http://redsox.collider.com/uploads/imageGallery/Apocalypto/apocalypto_movie_image_behind_the_scenes__8_.jpg

Duke

2008 May 28th, 21:05

Sweet setup DUKE, I like the way thats mounted, did that mounting bracket attached to the rails come with the monitor or can you get something like that separate.

The blocks on the rails are from Cinevate:
http://www.cinevate.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=68

The tripod head is Manfroto. It's screwed into a plate I made from 1/8" aluminum that bolts into the block.

The block bolts into a square frame I made from 3/4" square tube and 1" U channel.

Duke

pnag

2008 May 29th, 11:32

Cheers, zephyrnoid, thanks! Now I just have to find a company that'll ship one to Ireland!

:)

i_make_tshirts

2008 May 30th, 10:56

okay.. back to topic

who has the drive, capacity & patience to organize a group buy for the 7.2
lcd/controller? ... housing??

moe52

2008 May 30th, 11:20

I seen that the 7.2 Sharp Kit w/ Pixelworks are in stock... I 'm not to handy with the hands but if someone had the time for this project I would by 1 thanks... ( I'm kinda a lucker but enjoy the reading thanks to all that have post great threads)...

zephyrnoid

2008 May 30th, 17:31

As importantly- who has access to a drill-press or milling machine so as to do a nice and fast job of the connections side of the project? Buying the chops for a group buy is the easy part.:hv20-smilie03:

okay.. back to topic

who has the drive, capacity & patience to organize a group buy for the 7.2
lcd/controller? ... housing??

chiplay_hybrid

2008 May 30th, 21:57

http://www.protocase.com

I wonder how expensive these guys are... maybe they could produce a reasonably priced case for the 7.2" if we get up an order. I'll call Monday and see what the deal is.

Kyleman

2008 May 30th, 22:06

http://www.protocase.com

I wonder how expensive these guys are... maybe they could produce a reasonably priced case for the 7.2" if we get up an order. I'll call Monday and see what the deal is.

Nice find. Post the prices when you get the chance please. Thanks!

-Kyle

chiplay_hybrid

2008 May 30th, 23:12

I tried the "instant quote" function on Protocase.com website and specs I used were as follows:

8" x 5" x 1" (for the 7.2" screen - just an approx.)
16 cutouts (also an approx)
8 self clinching fasteners (probably need these for securing the screen and controller)
.048 Steel (18 gauge - I have no idea if this is what we'd need?)
Black Color

For one unit - $214
For ten units - $836 or $83.6 a piece

I'm in Atlanta, so the picture frame idea sounds pretty tempting, but if these guys can produce something in the 60-80 range, I'll get in Solidworks and start doing the CAD for this. I also have contacts in Asia and might look into sourcing the LCD's and controllers directly. I might just follow Bruce's footsteps and start a little monitor company :hv20-smilie03:

~Chip

www.hybr-id.com

moe52

2008 May 30th, 23:16

Kyleman

2008 May 30th, 23:43

NO I WANT FIRST!!! Just kidding, lol. But chiplay_hybrid if you do monitor selling then I might be interested also. :hv20-smilie77:

-Kyle

zephyrnoid

2008 May 31st, 22:24

Really the Frame should be the winner IF a milling or drilling machine operator can be located. When I get back States-side I can work on that . Indeed. ANY machine shop can do this. Really, an old Drillpress can cut the holes out once a template has been made and centers punched.

thequads

2008 May 31st, 22:36

seems like dthreatt's gonna be screwed over on this one. 2grand in and sabotaged.

i_make_tshirts

2008 June 1st, 11:30

seems like dthreatt's gonna be screwed over on this one. 2grand in and sabotaged.

ouch*

put me down for a 7.2in housing..

the more the merrier

chiplay_hybrid

2008 June 1st, 12:52

Certainly not trying to sabatoge anyone's previous work or efforts - I think the 7.2" will have a slightly different use and market than a 10 or 12" - I think that both models would sell well if finished correctly. Who really knows how available the 7.2" will be in the future, also, whose to say there wont be an even better screen a couple weeks from now. I think we are all in this together... we all just want an affordable monitor for our 35mm adapter rigs. Hopefully one of us can deliver.

i_make_tshirts

2008 June 1st, 12:58

thequads

2008 June 1st, 17:12

chiplay_hybrid, I wasn't actually directing that to you, the more options in dimensions we have the better, but when it comes to custom fab, it's better to have one project per size to reduce the costs per unit to the members as well as reward the person who initially took the risk in developing it.

texasmfp

2008 June 2nd, 14:04

Manhattanlcd has already moved the 7.2 in to backorder status. I would absolutely appreciate it if, when someone actually gets one, they take some closeup pix of the board and the wiring in particular. I am not getting much help from DIY beamer on the pixelworks board for the 10.6 in. That was designed for an AC power adapter with both 5v and 12v systems and a ground, no less. Thx

David

2008 June 2nd, 14:26

Manhattanlcd has already moved the 7.2 in to backorder status.

I just went to their site (http://www.manhattanlcd.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=1000)to see what this badboy looked like and noticed the same thing "BACKORDER SHIPS 6/17"

Guess we'll wait a little longer to get the details

some1shero

2008 June 2nd, 15:53

i completed my lcd project. i know there has been a lot of discussion regarding this topic. I got my lcd kit a while back so it's the old 10.6 samsung lcd kit from johnzo at http://www.manhattanlcd.com/

this is when i first started the project: http://www.hv20.com/showpost.php?p=34840&postcount=60

thank much to everyone on this forum for ideas. special thanks to Duke. If you guys get a chance to meet him...you should. great guy!

He was the one who came up with the button idea that i followed. instead of the hot wheels track, i used plexiglass and rubber mounting stoppers as buttons. works like a charm :hv20-smilie77:

i tell you...it's got to be one of the most frustrating :hv20-smilie102: thing when you think you have good focus only to review your work and be soooo angry that NOTHING was focused. this monitor project helped so much in that department!

http://hv20.info/yopu/some1shero_lcd_07_T.jpg (http://hv20.info/yopu/some1shero_lcd_07.jpg)

http://hv20.info/yopu/some1shero_lcd_08_T.jpg (http://hv20.info/yopu/some1shero_lcd_08.jpg)

http://hv20.info/yopu/some1shero_lcd_09_T.jpg (http://hv20.info/yopu/some1shero_lcd_09.jpg)

http://hv20.info/yopu/some1shero_lcd_10_T.jpg (http://hv20.info/yopu/some1shero_lcd_10.jpg)

http://hv20.info/yopu/some1shero_lcd_11_T.jpg (http://hv20.info/yopu/some1shero_lcd_11.jpg)

the next thing i want to add is an articulated arm so i can mount to my rails. anyone have any suggestions? i was leaning towards this (http://www.amazon.com/Bogen-Manfrotto-196AB-2-2-Section-Articulated/dp/B000ABPK9A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=photo&qid=1212436205&sr=1-1).

i also double up this monitor as a second screen for my laptop. love this thing!

chiplay_hybrid

2008 June 2nd, 19:26

I sent an email today to Manhattan LCD about the status of orders placed before they switched to "backorder" and have yet to receive a reply - so I have no idea when my board will get here to start work on the case. I'm hoping that everyone that placed an order before they changed the status on the site will still receive it this week. Fingers crossed...

Duke

2008 June 2nd, 21:22

i completed my lcd project.

Looks great! Good job. I haven't seen you here in ages. Man, that was post 60 and now we're at 460! You must be working hard.

He was the one who came up with the button idea that i followed. instead of the hot wheels track, i used plexiglass and rubber mounting stoppers as buttons. works like a charm :hv20-smilie77:

I was wondering you were going to be able to make those plastic bumper thingies work, and they did. It looks great.

i tell you...it's got to be one of the most frustrating :hv20-smilie102: thing when you think you have good focus only to review your work and be soooo angry that NOTHING was focused. this monitor project helped so much in that department!

That's what I keep telling the guys that want the cheap little monitors. You need more than a megapixel like this to focus consistently.

the next thing i want to add is an articulated arm so i can mount to my rails. anyone have any suggestions?

That's an interesting idea. It gives you some options. Did you do the different anchor points on the sides too?

i also double up this monitor as a second screen for my laptop. love this thing!

Yeah. :) I've used mine on the Intensity capture station sometimes when I need to check a quick setting. I could use it as a teleprompter too, but I haven't had to do that yet.

Duke

zephyrnoid

2008 June 2nd, 22:25

Yea. looks like I ordered mine just in time as my paypal payment went through.
I Spoke to him on last Thursday, before the original 'ship' day of last Friday and he promised Monday. Ouch! This wait is gonna hurt. I sure hope it's not one of those 'shaggy dog stories' :hv20-smilie51: :hv20-smilie72:

I sent an email today to Manhattan LCD about the status of orders placed before they switched to "backorder" and have yet to receive a reply - so I have no idea when my board will get here to start work on the case. I'm hoping that everyone that placed an order before they changed the status on the site will still receive it this week. Fingers crossed...

CJDaniels

2008 June 2nd, 22:28

I am desperate for something, I would like to be in on a group buy.
I am getting more commercial work and I think the 7.2" would be perfect for me in the field.

David

2008 June 2nd, 22:35

This wait is gonna hurt. I sure hope it's not one of those 'shaggy dog stories'

Yeah, I guess the real question is whether or not there is any difference between them calling it a "pre-order" and now calling it a "back order"?

I mean, the page has also ALWAYS said (and still says) "Stock Status: In stock" Plus, there's still no photo up, so I guess I'm not completely convinced that they've gotten any of them in yet.

:hv20-smilie72:

zephyrnoid

2008 June 3rd, 08:17

So here's my translation:
PREORDER- you're first in line for a unit that actually ships TO him.
PROMISED SHIP DATE - The 'SHIP DATE' date that he used as a lure to get you to PREORDER.
BACKORDERED- PREORDERS will now have to wait in the FRONT of the line since the kits are BACKORDERED and will not ship on the promised date after all.
TRUE BELIEVER- Person that believes him when says that the Sharp 7.2" will not be one of those 'PERMANENT BACKORDERS'
FEARFUL IMPATIENT - Person that backs out of the PREORDER and BACKORDER and demands a refund, gets it, and looses their place in the line.
Let's keep a list handy of PREORDERS on this forum so we can use group pressure if necessary.:hv20-smilie77:

Yeah, I guess the real question is whether or not there is any difference between them calling it a "pre-order" and now calling it a "back order"?

I mean, the page has also ALWAYS said (and still says) "Stock Status: In stock" Plus, there's still no photo up, so I guess I'm not completely convinced that they've gotten any of them in yet.

:hv20-smilie72:

wiseguydigital

2008 June 3rd, 12:40

Hey there all,

I would like to know if anybody knows if and where I can get a perforated project box (like Duke's and some1shero's) in the UK or EU? Unfortunately, although they have the perfect size box for my needs on Action Electronics, they don't sell to countries outside the US.

Would be much appreciated as I just took order of my 10.9" from DIY-Beamer which is fantastic quality!

---------------------------------------------------------

Edit: I just found out that the Chassis are made by a company called LMB Heeger who seem to have a great range of products. You can see all of the chassis sizes here: http://www.lmbheeger.com/products.asp?catid=9. Unfortunately their site doesn't seem to ship outside of the US as well. I found a company called DigiKey that can order the parts to the UK, only in bulk though :(

den59

2008 June 3rd, 13:45

Hi everybody,

want to say put me down for 7.2 housing as well.
Not sure when i'll order the screen, but I definitely wont this one and can buy housing in advance.

Good luck and happy DIYing
Denis

some1shero

2008 June 3rd, 20:34

Looks great! Good job. I haven't seen you here in ages. Man, that was post 60 and now we're at 460! You must be working hard.

hahahahaha. i HAVE been working! it's insane.

I was wondering you were going to be able to make those plastic bumper thingies work, and they did. It looks great.

YEAH!!! the cool part is they feel like act like real buttons. :hv20-smilie77: i'm pleasantly surprised that they came out that way.

That's what I keep telling the guys that want the cheap little monitors. You need more than a megapixel like this to focus consistently.

OMG! now that everything is more clear and easier to focus, i've become more anal about focusing. to the point where im thinking about buying faster lenses. but that'll be a while since they are pricey. :mad:

That's an interesting idea. It gives you some options. Did you do the different anchor points on the sides too?

i'm going to end up drilling holes in the side just like you Duke. i like the idea of it being flexible. i'll take photos of my rig once i get the articulated arm in there.

dimdizo

2008 June 4th, 00:57

I purchased the Sharp 7.2" last Thursday (5/29) from manhattanlcd. Shipped out today! Now the problem of building a case....

David

2008 June 4th, 01:56

Price is up to $399.00

zephyrnoid

2008 June 4th, 08:23

Goes up and down like crude oil :hv20-smilie79:
Price is up to $399.00

chiplay_hybrid

2008 June 4th, 08:32

I should be receiving my 7.2" board tomorrow, unfortunately I'm heading out of town that evening - if it makes it here before 3 I'll snap some quick pictures and post here. Work on case design will start on Monday!

Duke

2008 June 4th, 08:56

Please show the measurements of the controller board. It may be the same size as your screen, then you need to figure out where to put your power board and button board. The design is the fun part.

i_make_tshirts

2008 June 4th, 15:28

yess please post

chiplay_hybrid

2008 June 5th, 14:11

Looks like its going to be Monday before I get to take a look at the board and take photos - sorry everyone! Hopefully dimdizo or zephyrnoid can get something up before then.

drevel

2008 June 6th, 20:08

just purchased the 10'' monitor, thanks to the forum, I was using a lilliput and this is a really big improvement.

actually I'm using it via component, and the image is crisp but may be a little noisy, should it be better using HDMI?

dimdizo

2008 June 7th, 13:57

Hi Everyone. My 7.2" kit came in. Here's a picture with the measurements:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/11333834@N00/2558264631/sizes/l/

Quick Note: I thought the LCD would get it's power from the controller board but it looks like the LCD screen backlight needs a 24V ps while the controller board uses a 12v ps.

i_make_tshirts

2008 June 8th, 20:30

any solutions on powering it yet? will the shape of that board make the case bigger than it needs to be?

zephyrnoid

2008 June 8th, 21:57

So let's see if I have this right. Does this mean that the 7.2" Kit requires 2 separate power supplies? I know the screens are remnants from a sub-notebook, probably running 24V converted up from a 12V battery. So there must be a voltage (up) converter in this kit right?
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/01dWaOO90ng1a/610x.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.daylife.com/photo/01dWaOO90ng1a&h=562&w=610&sz=59&hl=en&start=5&um=1&tbnid=IQTFOXvRskMsvM:&tbnh=125&tbnw=136&prev=/images%3Fq%3D24V%2BLithium%2BIon%2BBattery%26um%3D 1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN
http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/11/toshiba-launching-scib-batteries-in-march-5-min-charge-10-year/
http://www.all-battery.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2152

David

2008 June 8th, 22:24

I missed this post originally. So your pic shows what appears to be a 12v power supply, are you saying that it'll power the controller board but you can't get the backlight to power up? Or are there just additional wires that need to be attached to a 24v power source? Are you sure there's not something that goes from the controller board to the backlight?

This brings up another question, I thought I'd read somewhere that one of these LCDs needed both 12v and 5v. Does anybody know which screen that might be?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/11333834@N00/2558264631/sizes/l/

Quick Note: I thought the LCD would get it's power from the controller board but it looks like the LCD screen backlight needs a 24V ps while the controller board uses a 12v ps.

CJDaniels

2008 June 8th, 22:27

If the controller is bigger than the screen, I might was well use a bigger screen. SInce the Samsung 10" cannot be had anymore, is there any alternatives?

zephyrnoid

2008 June 8th, 23:08

Not necessarily. If we can past the much trickier 24V requirement issue, the total weight of the 7.2" kit should be less than a 10" variant.

If the controller is bigger than the screen, I might was well use a bigger screen. SInce the Samsung 10" cannot be had anymore, is there any alternatives?

i_make_tshirts

2008 June 8th, 23:26

dimdizo.. where did you end up getting ur kit from?

i went to frys today.. saw this SONY digital picture frame that had an HDMI input
is this feasible alternative?

EDIT* nm this is an output

http://www.chipchick.com/2008/04/sony_digital_picture_frame_can_now_display_those_f ugly_camera_phone_pics.html

David

2008 June 8th, 23:54

What's the model # and price on that?

i went to frys today.. saw this SONY digital picture frame that had an HDMI input
is this feasible alternative?

EDIT* nm this is an output

http://www.chipchick.com/2008/04/sony_digital_picture_frame_can_now_display_those_f ugly_camera_phone_pics.html

Duke

2008 June 8th, 23:57

The 12v plugs directly into the controler board.

For the 10.6" screen there was a small separate power board for the screen. That's in addition to the button board. I assume the 7" kit is the same way.

From the look of the pictures the height of the controller board for the 7" screen is taller than the screen by an inch or two.

On the 10.6" screen the button board, which most people opted to put on the side was about an inch and a half taller than the screen. For that kit the button board fit exactly in the preforated box. Mounting the buttons on the top edge might work for the smaller screen.

zephyrnoid

2008 June 9th, 00:47

Is that 24V or 2.4V ?

Hi Everyone. My 7.2" kit came in. Here's a picture with the measurements:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/11333834@N00/2558264631/sizes/l/

Quick Note: I thought the LCD would get it's power from the controller board but it looks like the LCD screen backlight needs a 24V ps while the controller board uses a 12v ps.

David

2008 June 9th, 00:53

The 12v plugs directly into the controler board.

For the 10.6" screen there was a small separate power board for the screen.

Was the 'separate power board' also 12v?

dimdizo

2008 June 9th, 00:57

The 7.2" kit did not come with a small separate power board. I wish it did. Having two ps to power the lcd and controller is a big pain. I'm going to ask manhattan lcd if they have a similar small separate power board for the 7.2"

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3080/2563843718_f3270ccea1.jpg?v=0

I just talked to manhattan lcd and here's what he says:

"Yes you need 12v and 24v. Are you going to use the 7.2 for a moblie monitor? I have a soultion for one power pack that can drive 7.2 lcd."

The 12v plugs directly into the controler board.

For the 10.6" screen there was a small separate power board for the screen. That's in addition to the button board. I assume the 7" kit is the same way.

From the look of the pictures the height of the controller board for the 7" screen is taller than the screen by an inch or two.

On the 10.6" screen the button board, which most people opted to put on the side was about an inch and a half taller than the screen. For that kit the button board fit exactly in the preforated box. Mounting the buttons on the top edge might work for the smaller screen.

zephyrnoid

2008 June 9th, 08:09

http://www.diy-beamer.com/EN/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=363

johnzo1995

2008 June 9th, 13:15

The 7.2 need 12v for the controller and 24v for the backlight(32 leds). There is a easy solution.

Need two small 12v battiers. Connect the battiers in series. Depending where you connect the wires, you can get both 12v and 24v from the power pack. Its a very easy solution until somthing better comes out. The 24v might need a current limiting resistor for the leds. I need to look into that.

zephyrnoid

2008 June 9th, 13:43

What do you mean by 'small' batteries? The current limiting should already be built into the Screen's circuitry, if it has any. Being something of an expert in LED's I'm a little surprised by the 24V requirement for what must be 32 low draw 3mm or 5mm emitters.
Also, is a power>in connection supplied for the backlight separately or does use one that's on the board?
Also, have you tested these out yet? I've yet to see an image on one. Thanks!:hv20-smilie77:

The 7.2 need 12v for the controller and 24v for the backlight(32 leds). There is a easy solution.

Need two small 12v battiers. Connect the battiers in series. Depending where you connect the wires, you can get both 12v and 24v from the power pack. Its a very easy solution until somthing better comes out. The 24v might need a current limiting resistor for the leds. I need to look into that.

chiplay_hybrid

2008 June 9th, 14:24

The picture Zeph posted from DIY-Beamer has a "24V cable soldered onto the controller board to power the LCD backlight" - from the images it appears to be soldered onto the tiny board that is mounted next to the 12V wires. The listing also mentions a 5V power cable that attached next to the 13V. The board appears to be on and functioning in the pictures. So my question for Johnzo is: Why are our boards missing the soldered wire? Where is the 5V power cable? (why do we need two power cables?) I'd love to be able to use the monitor I bought - please help! Thanks!

zephyrnoid

2008 June 9th, 14:52

So what does the BACK of your screen look like? got more pics ? :hv20-smilie51:

Hi Everyone. My 7.2" kit came in. Here's a picture with the measurements:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/11333834@N00/2558264631/sizes/l/

Quick Note: I thought the LCD would get it's power from the controller board but it looks like the LCD screen backlight needs a 24V ps while the controller board uses a 12v ps.

chiplay_hybrid

2008 June 9th, 14:53

Ok... I figured out that the package did come with a 24V AC adapter that plugs into the LCD panel. So - AC instead of DC, but my guess is we can figure a way around that? My second question is about the 12V - there are four wires coming off the board for 12V power - Yellow and White for 12V + and Red and Black for - Ground. The power supply only has connection points for two wires: -V and +V , so which wires do I connect? Thanks for any help!

chiplay_hybrid

2008 June 9th, 14:53

pics coming...

chiplay_hybrid

2008 June 9th, 15:29

http://www.hybr-id.com/lcd/fullboard.jpg
Full Package received from Manhattan LCD

http://www.hybr-id.com/lcd/miniboard.jpg
The miniboard that DIY-Beamer has the 24V Backlight wire soldered onto

http://www.hybr-id.com/lcd/LCDconnections.jpg
LVDS and 24V connection

http://www.hybr-id.com/lcd/power.jpg
Power Supplies - 24V and 12V

zephyrnoid

2008 June 9th, 16:17

That's more like it!
OK, so there is a 24V power supply shipped with the kit, it's just AC!
I'm working on a 24V Lithium Ion Rechargeable battery pack for this, unless someone comes up with a better idea faster than I can. I'm not in the office so it's all gonna happen by remote control. Still waiting on definition of 'small batteries' :

David

2008 June 9th, 17:10

That's more like it!
OK, so there is a 24V power supply shipped with the kit, it's just AC!

Well, to be clear, it's a 100/240V AC to 24VDC adapter which is the same kind of setup as the "Sunpower 12V adapter" which is also made to run off of AC power. So it's only AC to a point. An easy, but convaluted solution would be to plug that AC wall wart plug into a car power inverter. The inverter normally runs off of 12V DC so you could wire the power inverter to the same 12V DC source that would also be powering the rest of the monitor.

zephyrnoid

2008 June 9th, 17:35

'Convoluted' is a correct characterization. I only like elegant solutions for you my fellow HV20/30'ers. I'll build a nice bat pack.

Well, to be clear, it's a 100/240V AC to 24VDC adapter which is the same kind of setup as the "Sunpower 12V adapter" which is also made to run off of AC power. So it's only AC to a point. An easy, but convaluted solution would be to plug that AC wall wart plug into a car power inverter. The inverter normally runs off of 12V DC so you could wire the power inverter to the same 12V DC source that would also be powering the rest of the monitor.

chiplay_hybrid

2008 June 9th, 18:04

It's alive! I hooked up the 12V AC Adapter and my HV20 via HDMI and we're in business! The picture is simply amazing... I couldn't be happier at the moment. Looking forward to getting the power issue resolved and working on the case so that I can start running some real test.

I also played with the OSD, there are controls for Brightness, Contrast, Sharpness and Color Temp (Warm, Cool, Normal) - Color Temp also include individual controls for Red, Green and Blue Levels. There are setting for "image size" - Normal, Zoom, Anamorphic, Fill All, Wide, Auto... Normal seems to be the best for sizing at the correct aspect ratio. Zoom does not appear to be true 1:1 Pixel Zoom like the Panasonic Monitor. The other big bummer is that the overscan / underscan function makes no difference to the image - the screen is cropping off the edges, just like the HV20 on-camera LCD. I hope we can update the firmware on the controller to fix this! There is also a HDMI colorspace selector for Auto / RGB / YUV - but I can't tell a difference in changing it, even with color bars on screen. Finally, it has PIP ... which could be cool for a waveform or other display... just brainstorming.

Here are pics of it on:

http://www.hybr-id.com/lcd/workingscreen.jpg

http://www.hybr-id.com/lcd/screenclose.jpg