Canon Reveals Their Next Pro Video Cam

[koolpenguin89]

Wow, I totally missed this last month. I didn't see any threads about it here. Its just a non-working model, but still, looks pretty cool. HMC-150 killer? Maybe. No real details, just pictures.

http://www.dvinfo.net/features/canon-reveals-their-next-pro-video-cam.html

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Dylan

[KingDucky]

:hv20-smilie77:Wow it looks like the A1 and the Xl1 had a kid.:hv20-smilie84:


But that looks amazing. And the article says the price range will be below 5k!:hv20-smilie77:


Thanks Dylan!

[Ian-T]

Yes I believe someone posted this picture before. But the additional news is that Canon also just announced a new codec (I think 50 Mbits/sec) and 4:2:2 color space. 4:2:2 is what folks have been clamoring for out of their HDMI connections to an HDMI recorder. Now you’ll get it “in camera.” So…the big questions for me are…is this the EX-1 killer? What size is the sensor?

[antman]

I hate the viewfinder, looks weak to me. Too boxy

[KingDucky]

Yeah I'm with antman on the viewfinder.

[LOGOS PATHOS ETHOS]

SEXY

I think there's a slight genetic contribution from the HV look (the curves after the viewfinder)

I hope that new codec comes out, 50mb/s sounds nipple-erecting

[VideJo]

So far it only manages to erect a viewfinder. Hate the looks of that VF.

[jboy]

I think they made that viewfinder for this lady

http://www.hv20.com/picture.php?albumid=63&pictureid=421

[Pictor100]

Looks like Canon has taken a few pages out of the Sony design playbook - just look at the way the LCD display is situated, and how the body curves up slightly at the rear.

Mind you, this is a prototype, after all, and sometimes manufacturers will show prototypes that won't even resemble the real thing because they don't want to give any info to their competitors.

Even still, I'm looking forward to the new Canon cam. There's a video about the new cam available at Mac Video.

Supposedly it will use an MPEG-2 codec capable of 50mbps. It would be interesting to see how my relatively low-end HP desktop PC would handle a data stream that fast versus 21mbps AVCHD.

What I'm curious to know is why Canon is going with a souped-up MPEG-2 codec instead of AVCHD.

The video can be seen at:

http://www.macvideo.tv/camera-technology/interviews/index.cfm?articleId=3212207&pagType=samechandate

[BARSENAL]

Even still, I'm looking forward to the new Canon cam. There's a video about the new cam available at Mac Video.

Supposedly it will use an MPEG-2 codec capable of 50mbps. It would be interesting to see how my relatively low-end HP desktop PC would handle a data stream that fast versus 21mbps AVCHD.

What I'm curious to know is why Canon is going with a souped-up MPEG-2 codec instead of AVCHD.

The video can be seen at:

http://www.macvideo.tv/camera-technology/interviews/index.cfm?articleId=3212207&pagType=samechandate


The "why MPEG-2?" issue is addressed in the video. GOP at 50 Mbps is at least equal to I-frame at 100 Mbps. Plus MPEG is seen as universal and easily implemented everywhere.

I am really looking forward to this. It could be a scarlet killer if they get it right. 99.9 percent of the people looking at scarlet (myself included) don't really need it. This would do the job perfectly and would be from a major manufacturer without the wait time. We know this camera will get released. The scarlet is still vaporware.

[Bob Sanders]

What I'm curious to know is why Canon is going with a souped-up MPEG-2 codec instead of AVCHD.


I think it's a good idea. i think avchd works at the consumer level, but I'm not really sold on it at the pro level. Mpeg has always been easier to work with... even at higher bit rates. I'm not sure you need to go as high as 50M though.

The view finder however looks like some kind of ridiculous after-market add on. It doesn't even have a rubber eye cup on it.

[cgbier]

You will find your rubber cup in the box, and, for your convenience, it will be mounted onto the cam already.
I like the MPEG2 format too. Much nicer to edit on a slower machine.

[simulacro]

http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content/Canon-Announces-Tapeless-Pro-Camcorders-the-XF305-and-XF300-37729.htm

[Daniel Rutter]

It has been announced that they will definitely make it... looks like it would be worth the pricetag too :)

[dcloud]

Pricey. Ex1r or this?

[Duke]

4.2.2 and 50 Mbps is nice, but 1/3" CMOS? I just confirmed its CMOS on the Canon website. That's a step backward IMHO, from the CCD sensors in the XH-A1 or the 1/2" CMOS in the Sony EX1. Other than for greenscreen and a couple other times you won't notice 4.2.2 much.

Even though the street price will be lower than the MSRP, this won't draw too many EX1 users away. Especially if you record to nanoflash by BNC. The FX300 doesn't have it, only the FX305.

http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=175&modelid=20321#ModelTechSpecsAct

[hameed]

Very XH-esque. I like it.

I like the position of LCD... YOu can hold it back to lean on your shoulder and can easily see...

[cgbier]

but 1/3" CMOS?

Yeah, falls a tiny bit short in this area. Not really an EX-1 contender...

[Lawrence189]

I want!

[Duke]

I want!

B&H says its available ~June at the MSRP. Compact flash disks will be cheaper than P2 and SxS cards, but not cheaper than SDHC in an express card adapter.

[jordanService]

What are you kidding ?! I think this will blow ex1 out of the water 422 for this price is ridiculous. 422 might not make a noticeable difference if you do not do CC but as soon as you do your leeway is going to be way higher. 422 records so much more information. I think this cam will be a hit!

If the IQ is good, which it should be as it is Canon, this will compete with scarlet.

I do hope though that it will make the price of the ex1 fall.

[Duke]

I think canon is going to stretch it out another year. Which will put the time more in line with the Scarlet release.

What they saved by using a 1/3" cmos was having to redesign the prism blocks and associated hardware.

What they gave up by that decision was failing to catch up with DOF control and light sensitivity compared to the EX1 and Scarlet, due to their having bigger sensors.

BTW, did you notice that they down graded the lens? Its still an L lens, but now its only 18x instead of 20x. At first I thought they were going cheap, but then I realized that the same 20x lens refocused for a 1/2" sensor would be about 18x. So, right now I think this canon release is an intermediary step.

As for the price, the EX1R has already pushed the EX1 prices down. You can get a used one for the price of a new HMC150 and the HMC150 doesn't have near the IQ of the EX1.

[cgbier]

Jordan, I prefer the 1/2" sensor over 4:2:2
From what I've seen so far, the IQ of the EX-1R is good enough for me.

[jordanService]

Hmm well it maybe true that the DOF is a huge deal, but there are other solutions for that. A 422 camera really has no competition, the closest thing would be to get an ex1 with nano flash through an HD sdi 1 slot which does give you 422 (24p with pull down) but only it is interlaced. This camera will be up there with some really top end gear if it can do native 1080p24 at 422.

It might not be the best as far as DOF goes but there is really nothing else like it. Now if canon want to combine this technology with an interchangeable EF lens system, then that would be ridiculous.

[Duke]

Let me add that the EX1 has 24p, but outputs it as a 60i signal on the HD-SDI BNC, but the Nanoflash removes pulldown and converts it back to 24p on the fly. So while its true it is transmitted in interlaced format, the reality is its true 24p on both ends.

Also that the difference between the DOF on a 1/2" sensor and a 2/3" sensor in the scarlet is 2/3 of an f stop. From 1/3" to 1/2" is a full f stop. When you go from 1/3" to comparing with 2/3" would be 1 and 2/3rds f stops.

From 1/3" to a four thirds sensor is 4 stops!

[nxb]

This at least puts canon back in the race. It needs to cost 1/2 of that MSRP though. That would beat the EX1.

[Lunchbox]

I played with it at NAB... I want one... but I will be shooting in HDV mode...

[Jergling]

I've been thinking about this for a while now. What exactly do the XFs offer over the 2-year-old EX3 that makes it nearly as expensive? It has smaller sensors (and CMOS, at that), fewer physical manual controls, lower max bitrate, no support for other lenses. Sure, it records to cheaper medium, but it's essentially doing less than comparable tapeless camcorders already can, at a higher price.

Am I missing something here? What justifies the price?

[antman]

Im so disgusted in Canon's Research and development dept. Have they been sleeping for the last three years. It's apparent that the pro camera division and the photography division must be in different parts of the world and have NO COMMUNICATION. This is Canons death as far as im concerned. I have been waiting for this camera in hopes they will put in a decent size sensor. Didn't they figure out out, with the unexpected sales of the dslr's that people are interested in shooting high quality HD video, and with the option of a shallow dof. I may be a dipshit, but I can tell you If I worked for Canon, I would listen to my customers. Thats why Pani is years ahead. Ok, Im almost done venting. but not quite yet........

I think this cam was geared for the porno industry, docu, and thats about it. It's even high priced for the wedding industry. Not many wedding guys are in need of the extra color space because the clients will not understand the cost increase. Or their not likely to be green screening at the church.

It looks like im jumping ship to the new Panisonic camcorder. at least they have a clue as too what an indi filmmaker wants and need. yes it's an ugly cam, but who cares. it has a great sized sensor, interchangeable lenses and records to cheap media. they do need to increase the bit rate, but hey, if it holds up to whip pans who cares. Sorry canon, my money's is going to Pani from here on out.

There's still the slight chance Scarlet may be released by the end of summer, but then again, they may never release that damn thing.

What other options are there. Am I missing a cam some where.

For narrative filmmaking all I know about is the Scarlet, 7d- dslr's, the new pani, and the ex1-3. Does Jvc have anything going on , never been a big fan but if they make something worth while it may be worth looking in to. So does anyone else know of anything comming out?????