New Canon HF series cameras announced [Archive] - High Definition Digital Video Forum

Piewee

2009 July 16th, 05:27

Finally!

I mean, Finally the prices will drop for the hf s100 here in europe! Since they are still the same price they had when it launched.

Don't need the night shot and also don't care to much for the new refined stabalizer.

Rumpelgeist

2009 July 16th, 10:55

Useless junk.

Print Brigade

2009 July 16th, 14:39

My heart sank when I read the title of this thread considering my HF-S100 was just delivered yesterday! I felt better after reading about the upgrades which aren't too appealing to me.

Ian-T

2009 July 16th, 14:44

Maybe it's NATIVE 24p.

Eugenia Loli-Queru

2009 July 16th, 15:58

DrDave

2009 July 16th, 19:15

I'm hoping January will bring a better all-round cam. Wish it was here sooner. Maybe Canon will borrow some of Sony's sensor technology for low light performance and implement true 24p.

Shadow_7

2009 July 16th, 19:38

Onboard storage for over 5 hours, does that mean that the stock battery lasts that long?

The 15x optical zoom on the one looks nice, but with a smaller sensor, not worth it.

Rumpelgeist

2009 July 16th, 20:00

Onboard storage for over 5 hours, does that mean that the stock battery lasts that long?
Of course, not.

Non-removable media is idiocy, it is a dead end, plain and simple. Show me one professional camcorder that uses non-removable media. Professionals use everything from tape to cards to optical discs, but they ALWAYS use removable media.

I can see how non-removable flash-memory can be better in some ways than removable tape (no mechanism, no wear, no dropouts, no noise). But there are NO benefits of non-removable flash memory compared to removable flash-memory. NONE. Those talking about losing a card at home can lose anything, the camcorder itself, the car keys, the wallet. In reality, it is impossible to lose a card locked in the camcorder, especially if you download video over USB cable.

I hate Panasonic going the same idiotic route. What is worse, the card-only SD300 is not available in the U.S. Idiocy squared.

JCM_GDL

2009 July 17th, 01:09

Onboard storage for over 5 hours, does that mean that the stock battery lasts that long?

The 15x optical zoom on the one looks nice, but with a smaller sensor, not worth it.

The 15X optical zoom and the 1/4" sensor was present on the HF20 - HF200 models yet released.

Gocycle@optonline.net

2009 July 18th, 18:40

OK....I will have to agree with you here. I will just have to purchase a 32G SD card and my HF S10 is about the same except for the new stabilizer.

Of course, not.

Non-removable media is idiocy, it is a dead end, plain and simple. Show me one professional camcorder that uses non-removable media. Professionals use everything from tape to cards to optical discs, but they ALWAYS use removable media.

I can see how non-removable flash-memory can be better in some ways than removable tape (no mechanism, no wear, no dropouts, no noise). But there are NO benefits of non-removable flash memory compared to removable flash-memory. NONE. Those talking about losing a card at home can lose anything, the camcorder itself, the car keys, the wallet. In reality, it is impossible to lose a card locked in the camcorder, especially if you download video over USB cable.

I hate Panasonic going the same idiotic route. What is worse, the card-only SD300 is not available in the U.S. Idiocy squared.

Larryad

2009 July 24th, 18:11

I'm beginning to think that the people that buy the spring introduction cameras are just the beta testers for the final fall product's line-up.

net

2009 July 24th, 18:51

I'm beginning to think that the people that buy the spring introduction cameras are just the beta testers for the final fall product's line-up.

..or they make you think that, because they are using the late Summer/Fall release people as testers for the actual, final FINAL product: The Spring releases.

sneaky, sneaky.. :hv20-smilie02:

oh, man...do I have a real cam? :hv20-smilie15:

angularvelocity

2009 July 24th, 20:03

I had written about the summer updates that C anon usually does to this cams, but I was expecting 24p too. But it's obviously not there. I will now have to wait for January again, for their newer models.

I hate to see Eugenia wait for her perfect cam :-)

This video world is so twisted. Normal cams dont have interchangeable lenses and our beloved 5d wont do 24/25p :)

guess, by january red will release scarlet... ;)

Larryad

2009 July 24th, 20:22

Whoa!... guys it was just a joke. It would just be nice to have a full year before developing camera envy again. That's all. ....Go out and film some soothing sunsets.

net

2009 July 24th, 20:31

Whoa!... guys it was just a joke.

I thought it was obvious that mine was a joke, too...

I prescribe TWO sunset videos and a puppy eating a pile of cotton candy for YOU!

(again, a joke. :hv20-smilie81: )

Rambo

2009 July 25th, 02:47

Well the better OIS will suit me fine thank you very much. That looks heaps better than the Sony.

It appears that the optical IS does the bulk of the stabilization then the electronic IS cleans up the rest, sort of like a 2 stage thing.

This will be like Mercalli Deshaker software except it will be done in-camera not in post. Save me a lot of time and better options. There will probably be a res hit but that's to be expected.

Rambo
http://rambos-locker.blogspot.com

audiophonicshz

2009 August 14th, 22:51

I just got my ivis hfs11 from an ebay dealer located in Japan. It sells at a very good price if anyone is interested. Tested the image stabilization and I can say from the videos that I saw of the old hf s10/s100, that the stabilization is a big leap forward. I still don't know precisely how it works, maybe its an optical/electronic combo, have to wait for reviews of the US model, but its pretty great. It lags a little in fast motion, meaning a quick move from right to left in a 180 degree fashion will register a split second slower in video. Its not a problem for vacation/family video, but for sports and fast motion, it takes skill to make a smooth film. I guess as always its the film maker and not the camera.
Where the new stabilization really kicks in is the so called jelly motion when in a car, or mounted on a helmet cam. The stabilization is almost gyro like. Pretty amazing. Someone on this forum said it, when Canon fights back they really fight back hard. Ill try to post a rapidshare video sometime this weekend, I've got some powertools that I can rest my elbow on to test it.

Rambo

2009 August 14th, 23:08

Where the new stabilization really kicks in is the so called jelly motion when in a car, or mounted on a helmet cam. The stabilization is almost gyro like. Pretty amazing.

Hi, I'm very interested to see what footage you post and also interested in this cam. Please, when you can up to Rapidshare.

Can you PM me the price of the Cam you bought from Japan.

Thanks Rambo

audiophonicshz

2009 August 15th, 18:38

Here are my OIS tests for the new Canon iVis HF S11 or the soon to be called Vixia HF S11.

I used two methodologies for the test. First I used a shot that looked towards a mirror. In the reflection you can see my hand the camera, and the decoration around the mirror, and the clock. I simulated two types of shake. The first halves of the videos I used a large 3in up and down shake to simulate waves a galloping motion. It is also similar to walking upstairs. The second halves are a quick, aggressive shake, which simulates a bumpy car ride, or turbulence.

Please watch both for comparison, and pay attention to my hands, relative to my head, and then look at the clock and details of the mirror. The Dynamic OIS is pretty effective in this test, much better than the Superrange which loses focus of the clock.

http://rapidshare.com/files/267802990/Dynamic_OIS.MTS
http://rapidshare.com/files/267793678/Superrange_OIS.MTS

audiophonicshz

2009 August 15th, 22:02

Here is my second method. I tested the Dynamic OIS for resolution and outdoor quality. In this second test I hand held the camera and rested my elbow on a sawsall, then rested the sawsall on my knee. I knelt down to maximize the vibration. I then ran the sawsall at minimum setting, any more than that and both types of OIS were completely overwhelmed, so no point it showing that, plus you would have to be in a blender to take that footage.

You can see that the the Dynamic OIS is able to keep the center of the image more stable, that is the main subject. The focus lock is also better. The Superrange OIS allows the entire screen to wobble and lose focus. Overall the Dynamic OIS is better than the superrange.

Now the catch. It seems through my tests that the dynamic ois is electronic based, not optical. Some resolution is lost in the process. Take a look at the bricks in the foreground, and the plants in the background. A small bit of resolution is lost when watching on a large screen 1080p set. I have a WDTV and it is indespensible.

All in all, it is a good update to a mediocre OIS.

http://rapidshare.com/files/267832871/Dynamic_OIS_saw.MTS
http://rapidshare.com/files/267853773/Superrange_OIS_saw.MTS

audiophonicshz

2009 August 15th, 22:04

By the way, both tests were done with the camera set to shutter priority, 1/60, Auto white balance, fast auto focus. Look at the indoor lowlight, not to shabby!

Beege

2009 August 16th, 18:48

Thanks for the footage...very impressive camera, can't wait to get my HF S11 this week :hv20-smilie03:

Sam7

2009 August 20th, 10:41

i pulled the trigger on the S11. i only did this, because i was able to sell my hv20 and hague mini motion cam stabilizer to lessen the credit card damage by half. i have no idea what the EMS entries mean. this is the last entry:

Aug 19 21:56
Dispatch from outward office of exchange
TOKYO INTERNATIONAL Branch
Tokyo metropolis
138-8799

does anyone know what that entry means, as in what phase of the delivery it is?

i was impressed with audio's footage and the samples on canon's japanese site. but what sucks is that i have to wait until mid-september when the S11 is released to the U.S. to get an english manual.

troyhv20

2009 August 20th, 18:09

I read on one of those ebay s11 stores that they will provide a link to online english manual.

Beege

2009 August 21st, 18:45

I read on one of those ebay s11 stores that they will provide a link to online english manual.

I believe they just point you to the HF S10 manual. The camera is already on the Canon USA website and should have the english manual PDF sometime in Sept.

Sam7

2009 August 21st, 21:33

i read on some ebay listings that the english manual is on the included cd. hopefully, that applies to all retail packaging.

nevsan

2009 August 24th, 15:30

Anybody recommend one of the ebay stores to ship a HS11 to the United Kingdom? There are a few and I've never spend this much on ebay before, so quite wary of import duty etc. Also I'd like to buy a better battery and a 16GB or 32GB memory card..

Need it soon as I'm getting married next month - yay! :)

Rambo

2009 August 24th, 17:15

net

2009 August 24th, 18:03

i read on some ebay listings that the english manual is on the included cd. hopefully, that applies to all retail packaging.

They always put up the .pdf of the manuals at their site(s). It's not up yet, but it will be...

http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=177&modelid=19063#DownloadDetailAct

Sam7

2009 August 25th, 10:49

hf s11 : this camcorder just simply rocks. it out does my previous hv20. the dynamic image stabilization is amazing. the super auto focus works great. i get to take advantage of the x.v. color, since the ps3 and my tv both support it. the colors seem very natural and correct.

i did a test walking down the stairs and it was very stable. i tried that with my hv20 and the b. hague mini motion cam stabilizer and got a lot of side to side motion, but this dynamic IS is great. i shot some video across a small lake towards some housing and i zoomed in and out and it kept it's focus. i don't recall seeing any "focus hunting" at all.

the one drawback is that it looks crappy on my computer.
the playback is acceptable, but the look and colors do not seem right. i have tried vlc, windows media player, zoom player, windvd ultra and the bundled pixela player..they all make the video look crappy.

my laptop specs are
dell xps m1530
T9300 C2D 2.5 ghz
4 gb ddr2
320 gb 7200 rpm hd
256 mb nvidia 8600 gt
1920x1200 resolution
vista 64-bit

it would be nice to show off this footage on my laptop.
my hv20 footage looked great, but this...not so much.
if anyone has any ideas, i need them.