Canon EOS 5D Mark vs Canon HV30

[Solvaij]

Hey Guys
I was thinking about Canon eos 5d mark ll for video shooting
is this camera has better image quality then the Canon HV30 or 40.
This camera is full HD 1080i if want to shoot video.

Checkout some video sample was recorder with Canon 5D mark ll

http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&articleID=2326

Thanks
Solvaij

[ReLogic Studios]

You ask us if a $4000 professional DSLR shoots better picture than a consumer $500 camcorder?

And then you post a sample video as well?

Are you on crack?

[Jack Frost]

One thing you do have to keep in mind, the footage you link to, was shot and produced by an award winning film guy, you won't be doing footage like this in your first years of shooting.

Can the 5D Mark II shoot an hour of non-stop video ? ... nope it can't. If you want to shoot long sessions, you will want to go with a traditional video camcorder, and not the 5D Mark II.

Can the HV20, HV30, HV40 shoot amazing, even mind boggling video ? , yes it can.

If you have $4,000 to blow on a new toy like the 5D Mark II, I say go for it, if you are a Canon photo guy, you have lots of good lenses that will work well with the 5D Mark II.

The HV20 / HV30 / HV40 are amazing cameras, don't under estimate them, and yes the Canon 5D Mark II is a mind boggling camera, image wise, however remember that holding focus on it, is nowhere as easy as with the HV series of cameras. - Many forums are reporting that these DSLRs don't like to focus accurately, and as quickly as you want... and even if your LCD screens says you are spot on with the focus, the Mark II may not be exactly in focus. you have to weigh the pros and cons.

Dave.


Hey Guys
I was thinking about Canon eos 5d mark ll for video shooting
is this camera has better image quality then the Canon HV30 or 40.
This camera is full HD 1080i if want to shoot video.

Checkout some video sample was recorder with Canon 5D mark ll

http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&articleID=2326

Thanks
Solvaij

[Noir]

i know this has been out a long time but...sunglasses at night while gangster-leaning in your range rover is the epitome of douchebagginess. that was a terrible, albeit visually striking, video.

as far as disjointed footage reels go, it's perhaps the prettiest i've ever seen. but a good short film just as beautifully shot would have been way more impressive and i think way more successful in attracting filmmakers to the 5DM2.

[Chicken Warrior]

I think Solvaij may simply be asking about pure resolution. If so, it's important to remember a couple things.

1. Resolution is only as good as the sensor makes it. The 5D Mk II's sensor is terrific, therefore its resolution is not interrupted by grain or lack of light.

2. The Hv20, although overall not nearly as nice a camera, is not necessarily going to give you better pictures right of the bat. Despite its manual options, it's a more user-friendly camera in bright situations. The resolution, technically, could be equal to the 5D Mk II's, although in standard situations it records at 1440x1080 instead of 1920x1080. The Hv20 also has other advantages besides its price; notably its dynamic range. A 5D mk II is worth it if you're serious about making true films for distribution outside your own living room, but the fact you seem unsure of the significance of its quality suggests you might be better off starting with something a little more economical.

[roxvile]

just like jack frost said, the footage you see is shot by a professional. if you are new to the hd video world, i would definitely go with the VIXIA HV series. they are one of the best consumer camcorders for learning to shoot video (like a professional) and, once you get some experience, you can create some amazing videos too:

EARTH - HD on Vimeo

that was shot entirely with a HV30. my point is: it's not about the camera, it's about the hands, mind and heart of the videomaker. even when the canon 5d mark ii is technically (and pricey) more impressive, i think the HV30/40 would be a better instrument to develop your potential.

[Chicken Warrior]

Thanks for sharing that video - I hadn't seen it before. Fantastic CC!

[Bif]

i know this has been out a long time but...sunglasses at night while gangster-leaning in your range rover is the epitome of douchebagginess. that was a terrible, albeit visually striking, video.

as far as disjointed footage reels go, it's perhaps the prettiest i've ever seen. but a good short film just as beautifully shot would have been way more impressive and i think way more successful in attracting filmmakers to the 5DM2.

We've all got different points of view, but I think you are missing some of the point of that video. Being the first shot by a pro photographer (not really video oriented) it was meant to "showcase" the camera and the incredible variety of lenses and lens perspectives available. Various wide angles ( a weakness of our consumer and sometimes prosumer cams) were used very effectively including the one shot of the guy facing out the open door of the chopper. Really close quarters.

That would reach old timers like me (and I've done some still work from choppers including leaning out the door {strapped in a door gunners harness of course} of a Jolly Green Giant rescue chopper in Vietnam) and the subjects (guy in sunglasses and white linen suit and nice looking young lady) would likely grab the attention of the young and up and coming crowd.

All in all it was very powerfully impressionistic piece of work.

And we will be seeing more serious work done with this cam. I couldn't "wreck" my charge account for a 5D MkII so I settled for the T1i and use "workarounds" as I can for what I want to do with it.

[Solvaij]

Thank's for all the infomations you guy's are really pro
I will buy the Canon HV30.
Your advice has saved my money
Thanks again

Your Sincerely
Solvaij

[dcloud]

One thing you do have to keep in mind, the footage you link to, was shot and produced by an award winning film guy, award winning photographer

[Ian-T]

Yup. Big Difference.

Not putting him down or anything but I've seen user footage in this forum alone that looks much better than that (content wise). I said it from day one that the piece looks like it wasn't finished and thrown together. But it is nice nonetheless.

[rhervag]

Yup. Big Difference.

Not putting him down or anything but I've seen user footage in this forum alone that looks much better than that (content wise). I said it from day one that the piece looks like it wasn't finished and thrown together. But it is nice nonetheless.

exactly! it is a photog's piece in motion.
obviously for those who think the 5D is expensive, please do yourself a favour and check online the prices of what was used to pull such imagery : all L lenses, primes and the cream of the crop.
5D body isn't the most expensive part in the equation and will be replaced soon enough. GLASS is the real investment. yes you can rent *but* you will lust to own.

[Dr. Benway]

Especially these:

http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=all&q=canon+35mm+f1.4&m=text

http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/showproduct.php?product=5

[vadis]

Vincent Laforet's clip is technically suberb, the equipment is fantastic, etc... where I think it falls short is in attention to the acting work in it (all would be fine if there were no pretense here, but there is). This, I think, is THE Achilles' heel of most amateur (and at times professional) attempts at making narrative "feature film-like" projects. All of the finest equipment in the world, talented directing and editing will not amount to much in such a film without effective and convincing acting, but that is another story...

[1]

It's been a while since I've seen the Laforet piece,
but my guess is that those were all print models, not actors.

[vadis]

That's partly my point... I've known a director or two who were convinced that they could make anyone act. If one goes to all that trouble technically, why not show similar attention to the acting side of the production...

[1]

That's partly my point...

Aye, I was agreeing with you.

It's a video shot by a photographer who used a still cam with a newly implemented video feature.

He used print models, as those were what he's used to working with (I assume).

The Laforet piece, as such, is the PERFECT show piece for the Canon EOS 5D MarkII. I couldn't think of a better way to showcase the cam.

If some here [on this video forum] think it's not emphasizing the video/film/movie aspect enough, then they need to remember that the 5D MarkII is a still cam with video feature, not a camcorder.

[vadis]

Agree, and I have nothing against the 5D MarkII or its place in the market. My comments were aimed more at "feature film" stylistics by independents. I guess I'm just lamenting that in the march toward "film-like" video (with understandable abundant attention to DOF, color correction, lighting...) concern over acting (which can go a long way to making a project "film-like") get's lost in the shuffle...

[roxvile]

Thank's for all the infomations you guy's are really pro
I will buy the Canon HV30.
Your advice has saved my money
Thanks again

Your Sincerely
Solvaij
you better go with the Canon HV40!
it's just like the HV30 with some more new features
(especially NATIVE 24p... that's to save a lot of headaches!)

and i think it's even less expensive than the HV30...
(at least in Amazon)

[zephyrnoid]

In defense of Still Shooters...
One of my 70's mentors as a still photographer was Phil Marco. A visual design genius that happened to be a still shooter that was lured away to shoot TVC's.
Still shooters make some of the best visual designers and a great movie starts with a talent for envisioning the keyframes (storyboard). Movie makers are ingenious in specifying the action, but sometimes the best DP's are still shooters.
We'll see if I can live up to that brag ;)

[zephyrnoid]

Exactly and in fact, another point is that the 5DMKII is a much better fit for TVC's than for anything final that's longer than 5 minutes. Once the clip length reaches 20-30 minutes, it will be a real game changer.


Aye, I was agreeing with you.

It's a video shot by a photographer who used a still cam with a newly implemented video feature.

He used print models, as those were what he's used to working with (I assume).

The Laforet piece, as such, is the PERFECT show piece for the Canon EOS 5D MarkII. I couldn't think of a better way to showcase the cam.

If some here [on this video forum] think it's not emphasizing the video/film/movie aspect enough, then they need to remember that the 5D MarkII is a still cam with video feature, not a camcorder.

[Charles Wood]

Another photographer and I recently traveled to Bolivia, Peru and n. Chile on a quick photo trip. I shot three and a half hours of raw footage with my HV20. We had three Canon DSLR bodies with us including a 5D mkII and an assortment of Canon consumer and L series lenses. Never once did we bother to shoot video with the 5D...we were moving too fast and much of our material, especially in Bolivia was shot from a moving vehicle. Unfortunately, we simply weren't able to stop and linger in many places as long as we would have liked. The HV20 captured material that would have been impossible with the 5D. I suspect the only place the 5D will outshine the HV20/30/40 would be in DOF control and static, non moving shots.

[Chicken Warrior]

The 5D MkII is definitely for controlled environments, although it really doesn't handle movement badly at all. Still, I don't see anyone shooting a feature doc with it anytime soon, unless it's 100% talking heads.

[rhervag]

The 5D MkII is definitely for controlled environments, although it really doesn't handle movement badly at all. Still, I don't see anyone shooting a feature doc with it anytime soon, unless it's 100% talking heads.

you guys should spend a little time at vimeo to check out what's currently happening with the 5D ! steadycam weddings are all over the place and it is getting used into many more new fields already.
with a variable ND filter on a wide angle, you're set with a very capable beast.

[Chicken Warrior]

you guys should spend a little time at vimeo to check out what's currently happening with the 5D ! steadycam weddings are all over the place and it is getting used into many more new fields already.
with a variable ND filter on a wide angle, you're set with a very capable beast.

No doubt, but most wedding videos feature very little sound captured on camera, unlike docs. Also, their primary focus is still capturing pretty images in a mostly controlled environment, while run-n'-gun docs are moreoften concerned with getting clear images and good sound in totally unpredictable, often dangerous environments, where the 5D could prove very nerve-wracking, not knowing how your sound is turning out or whether you'll be able to follow your subjects with an snail-speed auto focus or manual 35mm lenses. It does, however, have the major (if temporary) advantage of appearing like a still camera; given that, I'm surprised how little it is integrated into the documentary filmmaker's kit as a B-cam or specialty cam.

[rhervag]

agreed on those issues ! booming sound to a cheap digital recorder while shooting at f8-f11 and up is a must. the gh1 would be better to follow what's going on in larger scenes

Amazônia on Vimeo

[pianokid]

nobody is talking about "can it shoot more than an hour" and the "are you comparing a 4000 camera to a 600 dollar camera? " point is wrong because the 4000 camera is a photo camera with a bonus-side of being able to take video footage , while the 600 dollar video camera is made to record video. So once and for all can somebody just answer "which camera records better video" ?

[I C]

So once and for all can somebody just answer "which camera records better video" ?

The 5d mark II, hands down. It's laughable that the two are even being compared, if you are talking about image quality.

I own an HV20, HV30, and 5d mark II with an EF 50mm 1.4 and 24-105 f/4 L IS. The 5d can shoot in lighting situations other cameras only dream about. It captures clear 1080p (as in full progressive 1920x1080) at a bit rate that holds up the quality. Many times, I can get fabulous stills from my videos if I want, because each frame is a clear image. Another great thing about the 5d is the colors are so accurate. Now, it does tend to "crush" blacks a little, but you can avoid this if you use the right tools. Plus, it's tapeless etc etc.

Point is, my HVs get good footage, but in terms of simply the video I can produce, my 5d mark II is LEAPS and BOUNDS ahead. And at its price tag, it should be.

[pianokid]

The 5d mark II, hands down. It's laughable that the two are even being compared, if you are talking about image quality.

I own an HV20, HV30, and 5d mark II with an EF 50mm 1.4 and 24-105 f/4 L IS. The 5d can shoot in lighting situations other cameras only dream about. It captures clear 1080p (as in full progressive 1920x1080) at a bit rate that holds up the quality. Many times, I can get fabulous stills from my videos if I want, because each frame is a clear image. Another great thing about the 5d is the colors are so accurate. Now, it does tend to "crush" blacks a little, but you can avoid this if you use the right tools. Plus, it's tapeless etc etc.

Point is, my HVs get good footage, but in terms of simply the video I can produce, my 5d mark II is LEAPS and BOUNDS ahead. And at its price tag, it should be.
thanks for answering the question . I have to disagree with the "as it should be at its price tag" comment , because i wouldnt expect a 500,000 dollar Lamborghini to shoot better video than the HV30 because of its price tag

[I C]

I have to disagree with the "as it should be at its price tag" comment , because i wouldnt expect a 500,000 dollar Lamborghini to shoot better video than the HV30 because of its price tag

I don't see what you are getting at here. It's a camera. I bought it to shoot video, which is does. It's got a top of the line Canon full-frame sensor in it, it's using L-series glass and a Digic-V processor. It's 3500 dollars and for damn sure better shoot better video than an HV30. The whole "it's a great still camera that just happens to shoot video" argument is getting lame IMO. It's an imaging device that cranks out arguably the best low-light 1080p footage you can get for less than 15k. So yes, it had better have superior image quality.

People who still think the 5d2's video is just some sort of gimmick are TOTALLY missing the boat.

[pianokid]

I don't see what you are getting at here. It's a camera. I bought it to shoot video, which is does. It's got a top of the line Canon full-frame sensor in it, it's using L-series glass and a Digic-V processor. It's 3500 dollars and for damn sure better shoot better video than an HV30. The whole "it's a great still camera that just happens to shoot video" argument is getting lame IMO. It's an imaging device that cranks out arguably the best low-light 1080p footage you can get for less than 15k. So yes, it had better have superior image quality.

People who still think the 5d's video is just some sort of gimmick are TOTALLY missing the boat.
then the D1 should shoot even better video . i looked at some footage of the d5 and it looks awesome , i am happy they went with that gimmick :hv20-smilie84:

[I C]

then the D1 should shoot even better video . i looked at some footage of the d5 and it looks awesome , i am happy they went with that gimmick :hv20-smilie84:

wtf are you talking about?

[pianokid]

wtf are you talking about?

i am saying that i am glad they added the nice feature of shooting video to that awesome DSLR . I saw some vlips of its footage on vimeo and it looked nice, and since you said that the Mark D series is EXPECTED to have video function, im gonna go look at the D1 video clips on vimeo because for 7000 bucks it BETTER have nice video like you taught me . thanks

[I C]

and since you said that the Mark D series is EXPECTED to have video function

Wrong. FAIL. Quote me where I said that.


im gonna go look at the D1 video clips on vimeo because for 7000 bucks it BETTER have nice video like you taught me. thanks

Since Canon doesn't make a D1, I'm not concerned. They make the following models: Canon EOS-1D, Canon EOS-1D Mark II, Canon EOS-1D Mark III, Canon EOS-1Ds, Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II, none of which advertise video function. Nikon makes a D1. Again, FAIL.

Before I go on a rant, I just want to clarify whether or not you're just trying to be an ass. I'm about 98% sure right now.

[pianokid]

Wrong. FAIL. Quote me where I said that.



Since Canon doesn't make a D1, I'm not concerned. They make the following models: Canon EOS-1D, Canon EOS-1D Mark II, Canon EOS-1D Mark III, Canon EOS-1Ds, Canon EOS-1Ds Mark II, none of which advertise video function. Nikon makes a D1. Again, FAIL.

Before I go on a rant, I just want to clarify whether or not you're just trying to be an ass. I'm about 98% sure right now.

hello . Thanks for helping me about the names "d1 / 1d" . I will look at the video footage of the other Canon Dslr/still cameras to see how nice they record video . i will search for "1d" on vimeo now. i spelled it wrong "d1" oops :) and maybe thats why videos didnt appear in the search .thanks :)