I would like to have camcorder EXACTLY like HV40 but doesnt record to tape!

[iFilm7]

since hv40 records to tape thats the biggest downside to me....
i want FULL 1920x1080 HD and not the tape's 1440x1080...
so yeahh.
i LOOOVE the 24p native that the HV40 has...

so what camera has pretty much everything that the HV40 has but one that records to a harddrive or a flash media or something?

i like to have the best quality for the buck cuz i do some greenscreen work xD
thanks!
i would love a PROMPT reply xD
thanks!! :D

[Jack Frost]

it's a good question, ... I don't have the answer, but I'm sure some will point you to a nice camera, prob a larger camera, but a good camera.

[Seo]

Well, I don't see why you wouldn't like the anamorphic format of HDV tape. It's been used for a long time and a majority of prosumer cameras use them (Canon's XH A1, G1, XL series). The extra pixels aren't as important as picking a quality camera, and the HV40 is just that, so if I were you, I'd save my money for a better camcorder. By the way, the HV40 uses a full HD (1920 x 1080 pixels) sensor, it's just that the tape uses an anamorphic format.

Never mind my previous suggestions. None of Sony's consumer line has progressive frame rates. Do you have a budget?

[Lunchbox]

I would like my cat to act EXACTLY like a dog and I want to win the lottery.

I would love a PROMPT reply xD
thanks

[Seo]

I would like my cat to act EXACTLY like a dog and I want to win the lottery.

I would love a PROMPT reply xD
thanks

What are you doing being awake at 6:14 AM? That is, if you live in LA like you say you do...

[Lunchbox]

It's call AGING

[Jack Frost]

huh ?

I don't get it. Millions get up at 5 am, what's wrong so amazing about 6:14 am ?

I don't get it.

And what does this have to do with the subject, seems more of a personal jab if you ask me.



What are you doing being awake at 6:14 AM? That is, if you live in LA like you say you do...

[Lunchbox]

You got it right! I still want a PROMPT reply xD

[iFilm7]

hahahahah shuuutup stop making fun of mee xD

anyways....
yeah wouldnt the extra pixels be good for me cuz i do some greenscreen work?

[iFilm7]

bump
:hv20-smilie72:

[Seo]

yeah wouldnt the extra pixels be good for me cuz i do some greenscreen work?

I've done some green screen work myself, but that was with an SD camcorder. I'm not sure what the requirements for a camera to be suitable for green screen recording is, but the extra pixels should, in theory, make chroma keying the footage easier.

So far the most affordable and good AVCHD camcorder I've seen in the prosumer range is the Panasonic HMC150. All of their others use P2 and are over the 4k range (although they do great in low light).

[derkoi]

The HV30 is good for greenscreen work if you put it in Cine mode, it doesn't sharpen the picture and add a fringe around the actor in front of the green screen.

[iFilm7]

yeah but i would like it to have it on digital format with FULL 1920x1080 , not on tape.

[Seo]

You could use an HDMI capture card like this one (http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/intensity/) from BlackMagic Design. Greenscreen work shouldn't require you to be constantly on the move, so having to capture to a computer shouldn't be a problem.

[iFilm7]

haha yeah i thought of that but i dont think i would be using HDMI atleast not for now... but for GENERAL filming... i want full 1920x1080 24p on digital format (not tape)
which camcorder?

[Seo]

All of Sony's consumer camcorders record in 60i, and I don't think you're planning for a prosumer camcorder, so Sony isn't a choice. As for Canon, the HV30's solid state sister, the Vixia HF S100, is probably going to be your best choice.

There you go Mr. Picky (kidding, don't be mad...)!

[iFilm7]

so this one is FULL 1920x1080 (not 1440x1080)
and it is progressive 24p 1920x1080?
hahaha im under the 1500$ usd budget for the camcorder
and sorrry! im just really picky nowadays with stuff i get because it costs sooo much money and im not willing to risk that and get a camcorder not for my needs hehehe
im checking in camcorderino.com and i cant seem to find my question answered xD
(that its pretty much like the HV40 (NOTE THE HV40!! haha not 30 cuz i would like native 24p) so it IS the HV40 except it records onto solid state to get the full 1920x1080...?
xD im very sorryyyyyyyy hehe im mr. picky! xD
(i dont want interlacing xD im progressive)
:)

[Seo]

Yes, the HF S100 has support for 24p, although it requires pulldown. You can see that in Canon's page for the camcorder's specifications (http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&tabact=ModelTechSpecsTabAct&fcategoryid=177&modelid=17992).

Just a side note: Interlaced isn't really all that bad. We've been watching interlaced TV ever since we were born!

[iFilm7]

yeah but when working with HD i see pulldown "artifacts" or something as if it wasnt FULLY deinterlaced...

thats why i love progressive...

do you know of anycamcorder JUST LIKE the HV40 but that is solidstate and records full 1920x1080?
:D

BTW if i need a prosumer one you can name it xD
thanks mann i seriously appreciate you helping me :)

[Seo]

This is a little confusing... the HF S100 records at full, non-anamorphic, 16:9, 1920x1080 high definition. Also, it is solid state. This is as close as you're going to be getting to the HV40. And the HF S100 does shoot in progressive, just not native progressive. It's progressive in an interlaced stream.

You want a camera that records with native progressive, non-anamorphic, full HD, and is solid state? Just making sure that's your criteria.

EDIT: I've included one already before. The Panasonic HM40 is a cheaper choice, but the HM150 (although more expensive) has a better value. The HMC150 is on par with the XH A1 in terms of video quality and has slightly better low light performance (3 lux min vs. 4 lux min) than the XH A1.

[iFilm7]

hahahah yesssss
"You want a camera that records with native progressive, non-anamorphic, full HD, and is solid state? Just making sure that's your criteria."
AMEN TO THAT!!! xD
hahah yeahhh pretty much
shooting 24fps ofcourse
and it DOESNT have to be solid state... it can be anything digital like SD cards and stuff

[Seo]

Solid state = SDHC cards. Btw, hard drives count too right?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but according to what I've found, none of Canon's non-HDV high definition camcorders record in progressive video that doesn't require pulldown. Neither does Panasonic. Nor Sony, Sanyo, JVC, and every other company's consumer camcorders. Sorry mate, I guess non-pulldown native progressive video in non-HDV consumer camcorders don't exist. If you need help with prosumer models I'd be happy to assist you though.

[iFilm7]

ummm hard drives? ummm i think so? unless they're easy to breakk haha idk umm mayyybe xD

and yeahh i wish canon had them haha... thanks for helping me out though man i owe you one big time

[iFilm7]

Solid state = SDHC cards. Btw, hard drives count too right?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but according to what I've found, none of Canon's non-HDV high definition camcorders record in progressive video that doesn't require pulldown. Neither does Panasonic. Nor Sony, Sanyo, JVC, and every other company's consumer camcorders. Sorry mate, I guess non-pulldown native progressive video in non-HDV consumer camcorders don't exist. If you need help with prosumer models I'd be happy to assist you though.

yeah man, maybe you can do that for me?? haha idk if im asking too much... ive been waiting and finding an answer to my questions but non so far....
btw as far as CONSUMER cameras... which BEST fits my criteria?
sooo yeahh prosumer probably? hahh :hv20-smilie70:

[iFilm7]

Solid state = SDHC cards. Btw, hard drives count too right?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but according to what I've found, none of Canon's non-HDV high definition camcorders record in progressive video that doesn't require pulldown. Neither does Panasonic. Nor Sony, Sanyo, JVC, and every other company's consumer camcorders. Sorry mate, I guess non-pulldown native progressive video in non-HDV consumer camcorders don't exist. If you need help with prosumer models I'd be happy to assist you though.

yeah man, maybe you can do that for me?? haha idk if im asking too much... ive been waiting and finding an answer to my questions but non so far....
btw as far as CONSUMER cameras... which BEST fits my criteria?
sooo yeahh prosumer probably? hahh :hv20-smilie70:

OOPS sorry for the double post.. internet seems to be bugging me down

[Seo]

To answer that question about hard drives: yes, they are generally less sturdy than solid state devices, but most camcorder hard drives have a feature that removes the read head from the disk in the event of a fall in order to reduce chances of breaking the hard drive.

Not at all, I'd be happy to help. What best fits... I'd still say the HF S100. Pulldown really isn't all that bad, and it is almost exactly the same as the HV40 other than the different recording media.

As for prosumers, you'll probably want a bigger budget. Panasonic has been the first to take the risk and make an AVCHD prosumer model. These use P2 cards which you will find are extremely expensive for the average Joe (nearly 1000 dollars for a 64GB card), but some also use SDHC cards. These are the newly released HMC40 and HMC150. The HMC40 is a 3MOS, over-hyped (in most people's opinions), not-so-great-for-its-price AVCCAM. It's step-up model is the HMC150, a very nice 3CCD camcorder that is just as great as the XH A1 in terms of video quality (and that's amazing), although ugly. I recommend you get this if you have the money, although the HMC40 should be enough for a consumer like you.

[iFilm7]

so for me its either the
consumer: HF S100
prosumer: HMC150 (everything i asked for are pretty much in this camcorder right?)

whats the HM40 you're talking about?

[Seo]

Yes, that'd be it. And sorry, I meant the HMC40.

Everything is in the HMC150 and more. Rather than list a bunch of features I'll just give you its page on B&H (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/591110-REG/Panasonic__AG_HMC150_AVCCAM_Camcorder.html) along with its page on the Panasonic website (http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ModelDetail?storeId=11201&catalogId=13051&modelNo=AG-HMC150).

[iFilm7]

wow the HMC40 I THINK has EVERYTHIGN (non-anamorphic, full HD, 24p native)!!
right?
it says in camcorderinfo for the HMC40 "The camcorder can record full HD video at 1080/59.94i, 1080/29.97p, and 1080/23.98 native."

23.976 progressive full HD with no pulldown... correct? i think this would fit my needs better than the HMC150 huh?

EDIT.... i just realized they are pretty much the same price :(
which one do you recommend for me xD

HMC40
or
HMC150

=D

[Seo]

Well, yes, the HMC40 fulfills your requirements quite well, but it was actually quite a disappointment to me and others because of its small sensors. They should be good enough for you, but if you can find a good deal on the HMC150, the two prices should be around the same. However, on B&H there's a 500 dollar difference.

I would recommend the HMC150; it's a very good camera.

[badhairdude]

it doesnt have xlr inputs

[Seo]

The HMC40 doesn't have XLR inputs built in, but it has the option of having them. This should be fine for iFilm7 if saving money is that important, because he always has the choice to upgrade. Course, I'd still get the HMC150 because my mics use XLR.

[iFilm7]

k
i think i would go for the HMC150!
BTW since it records 1920x1080 AVCHD
which converter do i use so i can edit them smoothly in after effects/premiere?
heres the thread: http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?t=27373