Very crisp T1i Vid

[spideralex90]

There's nothing in the way of content in this vid i'm just posting mearly to show that the image quality in 720p on this cam is very nice in comparison to the 5D, yes it's not as good however it's also less than a 1/3 of the price. I'm looking into other videos. I'm assuming the T1i doesn't have the manual stuff like the 5D, but i'm hoping that maybe the update for the 5D will bring an update for the T1i? anyhow after all that blabbering here's the clean video i found:

Picked this up in India on Vimeo

[Noel]

You ain't kiddin bro. Just gotta get used to the focusing. Ain't easy.

[spideralex90]

Yeah the lack of autofocus is a little scary for me, but i still would love to have this camera. i just need to scrap together the $899 for it. that's a possible number for me though.

Although it'd be cool to get a shoulder mount rig with a follow focus and a marking plate.

[spideralex90]

Another pretty clean video, although i think this one may have been shot in the 1080p mode.

Griffith Observatory, Los Angeles CA on Vimeo

[Noel]

Let's honestly compare this to the GH1 and HV20. Not putting any camera down. Just looking for an addition to the HV20. Since these two are priced reasonably for a nonpro hobbyist like myself.
Don't get me wrong. Love my HV20. But indoors in mixed low lighting it needs big time help.
GH1 seems to have it all. But the resolution from what i've seen seems to be favoring the Rebel big time. Something about the GH1's resolution that's lacking a punch.
BTW IMHO HV20 still looks better in detail than either cams combined. Call me a smoker. But also add the 5d2 in there.

[spideralex90]

I definately think you could do some good with a HV20/T1i pair. Use the T1i for many low light situations, and use the HV20 in areas where the T1i's rolling shutter may give you problems. I just wonder how annoying it might be to edit those different types of footage on the same timeline.

[Noel]

I suggest you go out to your nearest bestbuy and slap your card in there. The Rebel i tried had broken focus. Manual focusing is a b__ch. I still have yet to bring this baby home and try with fast primes. Forget the stock lens. It's a waste. Oh yeah, don't look for a lot of video controls. Hardly any.

[Snazzy Flapper]

Has anyone else noticed that the DSLR's have significantly better bokeh when compared to even the best of 35mm adapters?

[Braceface]

Has anyone else noticed that the DSLR's have significantly better bokeh when compared to even the best of 35mm adapters?

Now on this point, I disagree.

[dcloud]

yeah. im pretty ecstatic on the rumors albeit they are rumors

if ever canon releases a manual 24p on the 60d, that would be good for me.
now its either that or panny releases a really good codec fix on the gh1

imo, the gh1 is a real beast except on the codec side.

[Snazzy Flapper]

Braceface,

Why do you disagree? Show me some pictures from a Letus or any other adapter on a camcorder with the same creamy bokeh you get from a digital slr. Even the best of bokeh I've seen from adapters is always muddier and noisier than from a DSLR.

Prove me wrong.

[booggerg]

You guys sure have wishful thinking... Didn't you realize how poorly the AF performs on typical small chip camcorders? HV20, XHA1, DVX100.. And we're only talking about large DOF shooting.. How the heck do you suppose the camera can track focus for you at f/1.4 on an ASP-C or larger sensor? Sheesh you're talking about being dissapointed in no-AF as if it's a piece of cake feature to implement...

Remember all the problems Canon had with the 1DMK3's auto focus? And that's only at 10 pictures per second...



Has anyone else noticed that the DSLR's have significantly better bokeh when compared to even the best of 35mm adapters?


Show me some pictures from a Letus or any other adapter on a camcorder with the same creamy bokeh you get from a digital slr. Even the best of bokeh I've seen from adapters is always muddier and noisier than from a DSLR. Prove me wrong.

You are absolutely wrong because bokeh has nothing to do with image being "muddy" or "noisy". Bokeh is the subjective "quality" of the OOF area of the image. Bokeh characteristic changes from lens to lens not from sensor or ground glass. A Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 will have different bokeh than a Canon FD 50mm f/1.8 and also different from a Nikon 50mm f/1.8. A Canon EOS 50/1.8 attached to Letus will generate images with identical bokeh as on a DSLR, given that the Ground Glass surface area matches the surface area of the DSLR's sensor.

[Snazzy Flapper]

Bokeh characteristic changes from lens to lens not from sensor or ground glass.

I'll give you pass on this one, since it seems your drunk at the moment. I understand what bokeh is, and yes, MUDDY can be a word that describes it, just as well as CREAMY.

I think we both understand that lens quality/characteristics greatly affect bokeh... BUT, where the light from the lens is gathered (sensor or ground glass, or in the case of a 35mm adapter, both) the image characterists can change dramatically!

The ground glass medium (glass, fiber, plastic), grit size, coatings, etc ALL come into play in affecting how the light will "cling" to the ground glass, where it is then captured by the normal camera lens unit and passed on to the sensor.

So my point is that, from observation, the elimination of the ground glass in DSLR's and passing the light directly to the sensor results in a far more accurate rendition of the light from the lens than projecting that light onto a ground glass element, then capturing that to the sensor. There are a lot of factors at play when it comes to ground glass and how well the image "clings" to the surface so it can be captured.

If you eliminate the lens factor, direct-to-sensor is far more accurate than ground glass to sensor. Sure, maybe someone has developed a ground glass unit that's perfect under all circumstances and in no way alters the image from the lens.. but I doubt it.

Here's an experiment... take a $10K zeiss prime lens and mount it to a letus and capture footage.. Then capture the exact same footage with that same lens mounted to a DSLR. Compare the results. I claim there will be a visual difference in the bokeh.

[booggerg]

I'll give you pass on this one, since it seems your drunk at the moment. I understand what bokeh is, and yes, MUDDY can be a word that describes it, just as well as CREAMY.

I think we both understand that lens quality/characteristics greatly affect bokeh... BUT, where the light from the lens is gathered (sensor or ground glass, or in the case of a 35mm adapter, both) the image characterists can change dramatically!

The ground glass medium (glass, fiber, plastic), grit size, coatings, etc ALL come into play in affecting how the light will "cling" to the ground glass, where it is then captured by the normal camera lens unit and passed on to the sensor.

So my point is that, from observation, the elimination of the ground glass in DSLR's and passing the light directly to the sensor results in a far more accurate rendition of the light from the lens than projecting that light onto a ground glass element, then capturing that to the sensor. There are a lot of factors at play when it comes to ground glass and how well the image "clings" to the surface so it can be captured.

If you eliminate the lens factor, direct-to-sensor is far more accurate than ground glass to sensor. Sure, maybe someone has developed a ground glass unit that's perfect under all circumstances and in no way alters the image from the lens.. but I doubt it.

Here's an experiment... take a $10K zeiss prime lens and mount it to a letus and capture footage.. Then capture the exact same footage with that same lens mounted to a DSLR. Compare the results. I claim there will be a visual difference in the bokeh.

You're right I stand corrected. The ground glass texture does make a difference. It is undoubtly different result than just the sensor itself. Hell I shouldn't have known this because I've replaced the stock focus screen on my 5D with one that renders OOF more dramatically for large aperture primes. I truly must have been drunk when I wrote my previous post.

That being said, bokeh is still very subjective. What you perceive as "good" with a DSLR, might look different to another person.

[Snazzy Flapper]

100% agreed. It's very subjective indeed.

And we've all posted drunk, so no harm :)

[Noel]

yeah. im pretty ecstatic on the rumors albeit they are rumors

if ever canon releases a manual 24p on the 60d, that would be good for me.
now its either that or panny releases a really good codec fix on the gh1

imo, the gh1 is a real beast except on the codec side.

Articulating screen/ etc. As long as this cam can magnify during manual focusing. This would be great. Still can't wait to see the GH1 though.

[Noel]

I definately think you could do some good with a HV20/T1i pair. Use the T1i for many low light situations, and use the HV20 in areas where the T1i's rolling shutter may give you problems. I just wonder how annoying it might be to edit those different types of footage on the same timeline.

Tried putting the footage together. Hard enough for the Rebel alone. Then i threw an HV20 in there. Ended crashing my sony platinum. Still not closing as of now.

[spideralex90]

On the subject of Autofocusing, wouldn't it be a good thing to train yourself to get good at manual focusing being that Autofocus is non existent in the 'big leagues'?

[Noel]

Maginification during manual focusing is very helpful. Since it's 3inch lcd's we're managing here with the Rebel. No magnification available. I had a very hard time. Especially on wide angle shots. A little bit off here and there is disastrous. All that hard work all to waste. The Gh1 has magnification with 3rd party lenses at least during pre-recording.

[arbi_ph]

Here's my sample 500D test video...

Jillian's Day Camp (500D test) on Vimeo

[Noel]

Correction. Is there magnification during video mode? I don't think i saw it. Good job.

[arbi_ph]

I guess you can digitally zoom into an image while focusing....

[Noel]

Any indoor shots at night/ and or wedding receptions. Sure miss the old country. Thanx.

[Ian-T]

yeah. im pretty ecstatic on the rumors albeit they are rumors

if ever canon releases a manual 24p on the 60d, that would be good for me.
now its either that or panny releases a really good codec fix on the gh1

imo, the gh1 is a real beast except on the codec side.I agree. If not for the codec issue with the GH-1 it would have been my first choice. But as it stands Canon is delivering the best overall needs (24p, manual shutter, manual aperture all married to a SICK looking image). Oh and let's not forget HDMI out for external monitoring (even if it's scaled down).

[spideralex90]

I agree. If not for the codec issue with the GH-1 it would have been my first choice. But as it stands Canon is delivering the best overall needs (24p, manual shutter, manual aperture all married to a SICK looking image). Oh and let's not forget HDMI out for external monitoring (even if it's scaled down).

I'm glad they fixed the manual controls and such on the 5D and i'm hoping they fix the same with the T1i, but the 30p mode still kills some people, although converting it to 24p doesn't seem to big of a chore anymore.

[Noel]

I'm glad they fixed the manual controls and such on the 5D and i'm hoping they fix the same with the T1i, but the 30p mode still kills some people, although converting it to 24p doesn't seem to big of a chore anymore.

This camera is sick enough for me. Considering it's price. I'll just wait for the fix.
What is the possiblity of an autofocus?

[spideralex90]

This camera is sick enough for me. Considering it's price. I'll just wait for the fix.
What is the possiblity of an autofocus?

Would the autofocus be a firmware or a hardware function?

[booggerg]

AF? You guys really still wishing for something like that? It would take several generations of technology for us to arrive at reliable auto focus for APS-C sensors. There is simply too much range in the DOF for the AF to comprehend.

[Noel]

Already doing AF. Why not full time AF. Last time i checked it wasn't very fast. But it was accurate.

[JERKSTORE]

I'm glad they fixed the manual controls and such on the 5D and i'm hoping they fix the same with the T1i, but the 30p mode still kills some people, although converting it to 24p doesn't seem to big of a chore anymore.

THANK YOU!!! Exactly what i've been saying.

[spideralex90]

AF? You guys really still wishing for something like that? It would take several generations of technology for us to arrive at reliable auto focus for APS-C sensors. There is simply too much range in the DOF for the AF to comprehend.

I was wondering what happened to you. :hv20-smilie24:

Anyhow, wishing for AF yes, but not saying it's necessary. Optimism is key.