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booggerg
2009 April 6th, 08:09
http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/06/nikon-readies-something-for-april-14th-launch/

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/04/506266754_e6jdg-l.jpg

Ian-T
2009 April 6th, 09:14
....the D400 maybe?

You sure it wasn't an April Fools Day hoax?

booggerg
2009 April 6th, 10:03
Not the D400 too small. D60 perhaps.. something in the consumer line.

Lucasberg
2009 April 6th, 10:28
It looks like it is flipping in a wierd direction.

booggerg
2009 April 6th, 10:59
It looks like it is flipping in a wierd direction.

No it looks like it has a flip and rotation hinge and hinge is placed at the bottom instead of to the side, which makes sense given the ergonomic placement of the side buttons on the back of DSLRs...

spideralex90
2009 April 6th, 14:12
it looks cool, but i'd have to go with Lucasberg in that it seems to be a weird sort of Articulating screen. Not like normal consumer cams that just flip out the the left or even like the new sony that just pulls back and tilts. I'm interested and i'm hoping the video will have improved over the D90, but not really expecting it to.

booggerg
2009 April 6th, 14:18
Judging by the Nikon logo on the LCD backside, the screen obviously allows you to flip the LCD backwards into the body so you don't see the LCD.. it's a flip/rotating screen with bottom mounted hinge.

Lucasberg
2009 April 6th, 14:20
Your right it looks like it's coming out the bottom, but I think the side would be better for tripod use don't you think?

booggerg
2009 April 6th, 14:29
Your right it looks like it's coming out the bottom, but I think the side would be better for tripod use don't you think?

touche...

Lucasberg
2009 April 6th, 14:46
Either way it's a step in the right direction I think. Hopefully the 60D will have a flip out LCD of some sort.

dcloud
2009 April 7th, 12:50
http://nikonrumors.com/
http://nikonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/1238928327m114.jpg
http://nikonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/1238928354m176.jpg
http://nikonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/dbk_0659.jpg
http://nikonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/dbk_0662.jpg

will our prayers come true?

booggerg
2009 April 7th, 12:52
Wha? No Ashton Kutcher?

Well since they're filming a commercial highlighting the video aspect of the DSLR, perhaps it's is safe to say that they've solved the jello cam issue?

spideralex90
2009 April 7th, 13:03
Wha? No Ashton Kutcher?

Well since they're filming a commercial highlighting the video aspect of the DSLR, perhaps it's is safe to say that they've solved the jello cam issue?

Safe to hope i'd say. I really do hope they fix it.

Boz
2009 April 7th, 14:00
I'm not holding my breath on this one. Given it's purportedly a low end Nikon, I can't imagine a whole re-engineering of their system. My guess it will still have skew, but less so, more like 5D or GH1. I also think it will record in the same format (i.e. jpeg frames) which I hear is kinda lame. But who knows, maybe Nikon will surprise us!

stav1606
2009 April 7th, 19:36
I think Nikon's reputation was hurt by the D90 so they must have improved their video if they are insisting on it... Or at least I hope...

benkrebs
2009 April 9th, 22:41
I think Nikon's reputation was hurt by the D90 so they must have improved their video if they are insisting on it... Or at least I hope...

thats about as ignorant as saying the HV20s reputation was hurt by its poor still photo capability.

The D90 is a spectacular camera, and it broke new ground by introducing HD video into dslrs, albeit poor performance in the video department, you have to remember it is still a DSLR.


anyway, in regards to the new nikon; seeing as how it doesnt sport a top mounted LCD, that puts it in the D60 range, which likely marks it as the new D5000

absurd new numbering, but its supposed to be a mix between the D60 and D90, so higher resolution and better metering and low light performance, but without a few of the controls, and likely no AF motor built in as per d40-d60; which means AF on AF-S lenses only.

I was looking at the future merchandising manifest, and the D5000 pops into our system in mid to late april.

no great news for AF-s lenses though; speaking of which. Some of us were hoping for an AF-s version of the 85mm 1.4, to follow suit with the recent AF-s 50mm 1.4, but new DX lenses are the only thing on nikons plate lately... which is strange considering their recent development with the FX sensors.

stav1606
2009 April 10th, 09:29
thats about as ignorant as saying the HV20s reputation was hurt by its poor still photo capability.


We are at an hv20 forum, therefore mainly focusing on video capabilities of any product here mentioned. Like no one here will buy the HV20 for still photos, I don't think its the place to talk about the D90 as a dslr still camera.
Nobody in this forum is treating the D90 as a dslr camera and if he/she is he/she should be in a dslr forum. We are treating it as a camera with HD video capabilities with a large sensor, and for such it produces bad quality video and so Nikon's reputation for us in THIS forum was hurt. And keeping this in mind, I OBVIOUSLY did not mean Nikon is no longer considered a good dslr manufacturer but for people who are really anticipating it's video to reach their still photos' benchmark they have to work hard...

tkmslee
2009 April 10th, 15:26
I don't know why you think the Nikon D90 produces bad video quality. I have seen plenty of great things come out of the D90...of course the film makers involved knew what limitations to stay within which is rare these days no matter what camera is used.

stav1606
2009 April 10th, 20:43
Just the jello effect is good enough reason to say that quality is bad. OBVIOUSLY with such a sensor it wouldn't be terrible with the first sight but you cannot forgive that for such a price.
D90 : rolling shutter issues on Vimeo
Not to mention the lack of manual control...

Paulo Teixeira
2009 April 10th, 21:15
The Nikon D90 was revolutionary because it was the first interchangeable lens camera to have an HD mode and sold very well but compared to the Panasonic LX3 and the Canon SX1, it’s hard to say its that impressive. Now with the release of the Canon T1i, Panasonic ZS3, TZ7 and definitely the GH1, Nikon has no choice but to make their next video capable DSLR camera much, much better than the D90 even if it’s a lower model.

I didn’t mention the 5D Mark II because it’s in an entirely different price bracket.

tkmslee
2009 April 12th, 11:37
Just the jello effect is good enough reason to say that quality is bad. OBVIOUSLY with such a sensor it wouldn't be terrible with the first sight but you cannot forgive that for such a price.
D90 : rolling shutter issues on Vimeo (http://www.vimeo.com/1945079)
Not to mention the lack of manual control...

Dude, you just need someone behind the camera that knows what they are doing and will work "within" the limitations:

The bedroom project - Secrets - Håkan Lanz on Vimeo

And that's just one of many examples. Personally I am anxious to see what Nikon has up their sleeve for the future.

benkrebs
2009 April 12th, 12:00
We are at an hv20 forum, therefore mainly focusing on video capabilities of any product here mentioned. Like no one here will buy the HV20 for still photos, I don't think its the place to talk about the D90 as a dslr still camera.

correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't this posted in the "dslr and Still camera" section?

Halsu
2009 April 12th, 12:28
Nobody in this forum is treating the D90 as a dslr camera and if he/she is he/she should be in a dslr forum.

Well, i am. I'm a D90 owner, and i use it to take stills. It's an excellent camera for that. D90 video is a fun bonus, but nothing to get excited about.

I also own a HV20. I use it to shoot video. It's a great cheap camera for that.

Now, why you don't want me on this forum?

1
2009 April 12th, 12:30
Now, why you don't want me on this forum?

If it makes you feel any better, I want you on this forum! :hv20-smilie77:

Halsu
2009 April 12th, 12:36
If it makes you feel any better, I want you on this forum! :hv20-smilie77:

Snif. I feel better now ;-)

stav1606
2009 April 12th, 12:53
correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't this posted in the "dslr and Still camera" section?

Oh come one benkrebs, grow up, this section is two days old, before that it was other cameras...

stav1606
2009 April 12th, 12:58
Well, i am. I'm a D90 owner, and i use it to take stills. It's an excellent camera for that. D90 video is a fun bonus, but nothing to get excited about.

I also own a HV20. I use it to shoot video. It's a great cheap camera for that.

Now, why you don't want me on this forum?

You said it yourself, you are treating your D90 as a still camera. You are not here to talk about the D90 as a still camera, IT IS A HV2O FORUM, come on don't be difficult

Halsu
2009 April 12th, 13:25
You said it yourself, you are treating your D90 as a still camera. You are not here to talk about the D90 as a still camera, IT IS A HV2O FORUM, come on don't be difficult

I treat my D90 mainly as a still camera, which it obviously is, so what?

You're not in a position to tell anyone what they should or should not talk about. Take a deep breath dude, and chill ;-)

stav1606
2009 April 12th, 19:25
I treat my D90 mainly as a still camera, which it obviously is, so what?

You're not in a position to tell anyone what they should or should not talk about. Take a deep breath dude, and chill ;-)

If you think I am telling you what you should or should not do, then maybe its you who needs the deep breath

Halsu
2009 April 12th, 19:44
If you think I am telling you what you should or should not do, then maybe its you who needs the deep breath

Was it someone else that wrote this??


Nobody in this forum is treating the D90 as a dslr camera and if he/she is he/she should be in a dslr forum.

The thing is, D90, D5 MKII etc. ARE first and foremost still cameras. It's wisest to treat them as they are - still cameras with a video recording feature - just like HV20 is a video camera with a still photo feature.

Saying otherwise is not doing anyone a favor.

stav1606
2009 April 13th, 06:22
Was it someone else that wrote this??


Of course I wrote that, but I just meant that if you were here to discuss it for its dsl part, then you were not doing the best choice as people here are into videography mostly.

OBVIOUSLY I was not instructing you or anyone else what to do, I was just slightly exaggerating in my intent to make it clear that in this forum it is more likely that you will see negative comments for the D90 as a video camera (the great videos that are careful with movement to conceal its jello effect do not make the camera any greater) rather than excellent comments about the still pictures it takes.

Anyway, I will be very very excited to see what Nikon will make. If it produces a camera that will be direct competition of GH1, HD video, autofocus, and also have 1080 60p, then it might as well be my next purchase...

Braceface
2009 April 13th, 08:08
I understand all of the hub hub about the D90, and I do understand why a lot of times it's not the first choice for recording footage. However, I've gotten fantastic results from it, and I'm finding that for most of my shooting needs, I choose the D90 over the HV20. I've also seen the footage on big screens at the theater next to HV20 footage and it stands up just fine. It was inevitable that 5D Mark II and D90 would end up getting a backlash, but they're still marvelous video cameras too. D90 shoots 24p. Thats why I got it instead of the Canon.

dcloud
2009 April 13th, 18:32
whats great about the d90 are the lens choices. other than that, its jello heaven.

d5000 seems to be confirmed and nikon just released an awesome wide zoom lens with it! http://nikonrumors.com/2009/04/13/its-almost-here-nikon-d5000-and-nikkor-af-s-dx-10-24-ed.aspx

My guess it'll be around $800

tehellet
2009 April 13th, 18:46
whats great about the d90 are the lens choices. other than that, its jello heaven.

d5000 seems to be confirmed and nikon just released an awesome wide zoom lens with it! http://nikonrumors.com/2009/04/13/its-almost-here-nikon-d5000-and-nikkor-af-s-dx-10-24-ed.aspx

My guess it'll be around $800

Yeah, it appears to have a movie option as well, and you can see the built in mic holes in some pictures. If this is 720p24, I hope it's way better than the d90 quality... I'm honestly crossing my fingers on the D400 actually.

dcloud
2009 April 13th, 19:13
http://press.nikon.se/pressbilder/D-SLR/Q770/D5000_18_55_top_l.jpg
http://press.nikon.se/pressbilder/D-SLR/Q770/D5000_18_55_SLup_fr34l_l.jpg
http://press.nikon.se/pressbilder/D-SLR/Q770/D5000_LCD_3_l.jpg
http://press.nikon.se/pressbilder/D-SLR/Q770/D5000_back_1_l.jpg

Braceface
2009 April 13th, 20:42
It's sensitive to skew, and jello (the D90) if you do run and gun a lot, especially at the telephoto end.

Luxaltor
2009 April 13th, 22:48
I looked at the high res pictures and couldn't find an audio-in. Doesn't look good for manual control either. If it is simply 720/24p, you might as well just get the D90 because it is overall a better camera. The jello effect isn't too much of a worry for me, you'll just have to learn to avoid it (plus there are some things you can do in post to get rid of it as well).

dcloud
2009 April 13th, 23:58
based on specs, I think its the same sensor as the d90, I would think it'll have the same jello...

http://www.europe-nikon.com/product/en_GB/products/broad/1617/specifications.html
http://www.europe-nikon.com/product/en_GB/products/broad/1788/specifications.html

gh1 seems to be the likely winner of my cash.

Now let the reviews and footage come in!

booggerg
2009 April 14th, 01:27
Judging by the Nikon logo on the LCD backside, the screen obviously allows you to flip the LCD backwards into the body so you don't see the LCD.. it's a flip/rotating screen with bottom mounted hinge.

Yep.. looks like once again, I nailed it with my prediction..


http://a.img-dpreview.com/news/0904/Nikon/back_1_001.jpg

http://a.img-dpreview.com/news/0904/Nikon/LCD_3_001.jpg

Luxaltor
2009 April 14th, 01:27
You would think that since the GH1 is having manual everything Nikon and Canon maybe would follow suite... but alas, this is not the case. Yep, the GH1 is looking mighty good right now.

spideralex90
2009 April 14th, 01:54
Why would Nikon even bother? The only cool new thing about this camera is the screen, even that is smaller than the 3 inch standard. and it's barely cheaper than the D90. Otherwise its the same damn thing with some features missing. Panasonic don't fail us now!

tehellet
2009 April 14th, 02:28
• File format AVI (Motion-JPEG)
• Image size (pixels) 1280 x 720; 24fps, 640 x 424; 24 fps, 320 x 216; 24 fps
• Audio: Monaural on/off selection
• Exposure: Determined with matrix metering utilizing output from the image sensor
• Exposure lock available
• Exposure compensation available in P, S, A, M modes
• Maximum single clip length: 1280x720/ 5 minutes, others 20 minutes

Yeah. There's some videos posted: http://nikonrumors.com/2009/04/14/nikon-d5000-videos.aspx

It seems like not much of a step forward from the d90 movie mode.

tehellet
2009 April 14th, 02:37
dpreview stated in the preview:

"There are several limitations to be aware of, however; as mentioned there's no autofocus whilst recording clips, and there is a time limit to a single clip (5 minutes for a 1280 x 720 movie, 20 minutes for others). The movies from our pre-production unit look an awful lot like those we got from the D90, oddly enough."

stav1606
2009 April 14th, 07:59
No, no, no... WHY???

Why Nikon?

only 720p, file size limit, no autofocus, and the same jello sensor???
why??

zephyrnoid
2009 April 14th, 14:02
My heart be still. FINALLY they figured it out? Could it be? Sheesh! Finally I can stop shooting with my Nikon Coolpix 5000 !??
Any more news on this? Will Canon follow suite?

Braceface
2009 April 14th, 14:14
It sounds like the D90 to me. Why is it cheaper?

spideralex90
2009 April 14th, 15:24
My heart be still. FINALLY they figured it out? Could it be? Sheesh! Finally I can stop shooting with my Nikon Coolpix 5000 !??
Any more news on this? Will Canon follow suite?

What?

Ian-T
2009 April 14th, 15:38
What?I believe it's sarcasm at its best.

tehellet
2009 April 14th, 16:22
Yep, the GH1 is looking mighty good right now.

Indeed. The 1/60th of a second shutter seems like a small detail compared to its other video capabilities. I was watching some test video and you can see the effects of the rolling shutter a little bit, but it's almost not noticeable even zoomed in. It's looking very nice...

Does anyone think the Nikon D400 will include an upgraded video capability?

-Rogue5-
2009 April 14th, 16:41
Have there been any major NAB announcements yet? If Scarlet launches this fall and doesn't have any major issues (I know it's doubtful), then there's where my cash will be going.

-Rogue5-

Luxaltor
2009 April 14th, 18:36
Have there been any major NAB announcements yet? If Scarlet launches this fall and doesn't have any major issues (I know it's doubtful), then there's where my cash will be going.

-Rogue5-

I just can't get around using a 2/3" sensor for photography. I agree shallow depth of field is over used, etc, but it is just nice to know that it is there if you ever need it.

The fact that the S35 Scarlet is still 7 or 8 grand is such a downer. I really think they should have made a scarlet with a 4/3" sensor.

Next bet is the Nikon D400 or the Canon 60D? Although at this point, I don't know why either company would start listening to the videomaking crowd as it seems they just simply do not care.

zephyrnoid
2009 April 14th, 19:51
What?
No No not sarcasm at all. I'm bleary eyed at this. You see, when I ditched all my film based still gear in the Mid nineties I researched and settled on something digital that would let me still act like a pro for less than $1000. the only camera at the time was the Nikon CP5k . Yes I know, this thread is about VIDEO. But I fell in love with the CP5K's flip out screen for shooting my stills. for the past 7 years I've wanted to jump back into still shooting seriously but refused to do so because all the pro digicams had the blasted screen on the back with no chance to flip it out. This new Nikon is the begining of my ideal hybrid camera which would be...
- A full frame sensor
- Full HD video
- Flip out screen ( I still prefer the functionality on my CPK
Oh hell! A Canon HVXX form factor with a full sensor and interchangeable lenses plus my (WIP) logical focus system
What is perceived as sarcasm is merely my long-harbored frustration very gradually being quelled.
The RED project essentially 'gets it'.
User centric design begins with the USER.
All these legacy camera makers are crawling towards the ideal camera.
Why crawling? I dunno!
So what does this have to do with a discussion of THIS Nikon? Well as several people have noted, Nikon got the flip out right but fell short on everything else. Then again, Nikon don't make movie cameras.
So I'll patch together what Canon ought to be focusing on since Nikon still doesn't quite get it.
Also- please pardon my writing stye- it's not a reflection of what I'm like in person- just hurried writing!!

zephyrnoid
2009 April 14th, 23:59
Luxaltor RE: "I don't know why either company would start listening to the videomaking crowd as it seems they just simply do not care."
I agree but if there's a profit model that fits their production cycle and market conditions, they'll give us whatever we want. I've got a ton of stuff on my plate but I am going on a 'working vacation' in a couple of weeks. I'll try to rough out a proposal. Scarlet is spec'd out for a different market space (AND ECONOMY) altogether.
I have most of my bets on either Canon or JVC. Allow me to state at this point that I believe that the traditional 35mm 'SLR' camera silhouette is about to die. I always preferred shooting with my Hassy than with my Nikons. So Scarlet looks like a Hassy. If Canon /JVC were smart, they'd modify the camcorder ergonomics a tad and that would be the bomb for the next 20 years. Look like Scarlet is it for shape/size.

stav1606
2009 April 15th, 06:46
I don't know if I am right, but the articulating screen is the least of my worries. I mean come on, give me the full frame sensor with a decent 1080p video, and don't even bother with the screen.

My hopes are currently up for samsung. They seem to be getting it right these days...

zephyrnoid
2009 April 15th, 18:25
I don't know if I am right, but the articulating screen is the least of my worries. I mean come on, give me the full frame sensor with a decent 1080p video, and don't even bother with the screen.

My hopes are currently up for samsung. They seem to be getting it right these days...

I respectfully disagree, especially on a HYBRID camera ( as most shall become that in the next 2-3 years).
I had a VERY tough time getting used to my first flip-out screen and after the first couple of months, the POV flexibility that such a screen afford became addictive!
I have many shots that would have been difficult or impossible with the screen plastered against the back of the machine.
More that this....
we are approaching what I call "Viewfinder Segregation". A separation of the viewfinder from the camera. Obviously, this already exists when you run an external monitor out, but we need a screen like this one that some day will receive a wireless signal out and in my dreams.... will also allow for HUD (Heads Up Display) functionality.
The business of peering into a viewfinder and FORCING yourself to conform to the camera's position is over. Just ask anyone using a SteadyCam, Crane, Dolly etc.

stav1606
2009 April 15th, 18:54
I take your word for that, I just meant that my number one is the sensor and I would settle for a standard screen with a full frame sensor rather than the opposite.

The combination would be best obviously!

Luxaltor
2009 April 15th, 19:49
A full frame sensor is really low on my list of wants. Why? Well, the ideal camera is one that mimics film. Super 35 film is 24.89x18.66mm. Full frame 35mm is actually 36x24mm. These cameras have an ASP-C sensor, or about 23x15mm. You will be getting way shallower depth of field on a full frame camera. My philosophy is that shallow depth of field shots should be used sparingly where shots with deep focus should be the normal. The larger the sensor, the more you'll have to close the iris to achieve deep focus, and the more light you will need.

stav1606
2009 April 16th, 07:09
I said that about the full frame sensor because I think you can use any lens you want...

hish
2009 April 16th, 08:44
I said that about the full frame sensor because I think you can use any lens you want...

The Panasonic GH1 has a 4/3" sensor and you can use almost every lens ever made.

stav1606
2009 April 16th, 08:46
The Panasonic GH1 has a 4/3" sensor and you can use almost every lens ever made.

You buy some sort of adaptor?
Thats very good...

hish
2009 April 16th, 12:02
You buy some sort of adaptor?
Thats very good...

Indeed it is. These are the adapters that are available.

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dx428wg_10fdvsmtd7

Ian-T
2009 April 16th, 12:30
The Panasonic GH1 has a 4/3" sensor and you can use almost every lens ever made.Exactly. I've been readinig here and there about folks complaining that the GH-1 will start out with a disadvantage (meaning the crop factor). I say ....So what!! It will still give much more than any of these complainers ever had with their camcorders. Plus...as mentioned..why do we need extra shallow footage? i don't see that at all in major productions...only within the indie community. The GH-1 and cams like it will be plenty enough. And thank God for the auto fucus ability...because I really don't want something that I have to "constantly" focus myself.....I want an option.

Marshallator
2009 April 16th, 14:47
How much crop factor would we be looking at?

Ian-T
2009 April 16th, 15:18
From what I have been reading it will be around half (2x). For example, if you want to use your 35mm Nikon lense on this cam it will now be a 70mm lens etc. This just means that you would have to back up a little to get the same FOV as you would if you were to use a Nikon DSLR. It doesn't bother me however. You will still have all the other benefits. Some folks look at the cropping as a benefit....where you would not get the usual fall-off on the edges. It should yeild better edge to edge sharpness. But the biggest plus is...there are mounts available that can allow you to use most any lens from any manufacturer. You can't do that with Nikon or Canon.

Luxaltor
2009 April 16th, 19:00
You can't do that with Nikon or Canon.

Just a note, you can actually use Nikon lenses on a Canon camera. The focal flange distance for a Canon is 44mm and Nikon is 46.5 so the adapter just adjusts for that length. You can actually use a lot of different mounts for the Canon as it has one of the shortest focal flange distances in the industry. (C/Y Mount, Nikon, M42 Bayonet, Pentax K, Leica R, Olympus OM can all be used on a Canon EOS with the proper mount; the only other popular lenses you can't use are Canon FD and Minolta).

zephyrnoid
2009 April 16th, 22:38
...You will be getting way shallower depth of field on a full frame camera. The larger the sensor, the more you'll have to close the iris to achieve deep focus, and the more light you will need.

Bingo! That's what I want!

RE: " My philosophy is that shallow depth of field shots should be used sparingly where shots with deep focus should be the normal."
Normal for what? Most films benefit from the ability to mimic human vision. In human vision, a mental mosaic 'forms' an impression of a scene with motion in it. Movies are a very crude approximation of human vision, but the ability to selectively FORCE the viewer to zero in on a subject and reject peripheral 'data' is crucial to establishing focus on the key element in a shot, scene section. Deep focus is rarely useful in mimicking human vision. Just as in still photography, only an expansive landscape really makes sense with deep depth of field.

tehellet
2009 April 23rd, 18:30
From Stu Maschwitz blog, Prolost.com:



An reader sent this in via the Contact form:

Yesterday, I contacted Nikon about the D-movie feature on the D90 and new D5000 not having manual controls, and asked how real the possibility of an upcoming firmware update would be to allow manual control over the shutter speed and ISO. Well, the reply was very promising, and I thought ProLost would be the best place to share it. Here is the email in full:

We are working on an update to these equipments to allow manual selection of shutter speeds and ISO during D-Movie mode and more, we don’t have a specific date but we are working on it. We have had customers with the same concern and we are trying to improve on this firmware update.

Again, Thank you

The Nikon Team

Luxaltor
2009 April 23rd, 18:37
From Stu Maschwitz blog, Prolost.com:



An reader sent this in via the Contact form:

Yesterday, I contacted Nikon about the D-movie feature on the D90 and new D5000 not having manual controls, and asked how real the possibility of an upcoming firmware update would be to allow manual control over the shutter speed and ISO. Well, the reply was very promising, and I thought ProLost would be the best place to share it. Here is the email in full:

We are working on an update to these equipments to allow manual selection of shutter speeds and ISO during D-Movie mode and more, we don’t have a specific date but we are working on it. We have had customers with the same concern and we are trying to improve on this firmware update.

Again, Thank you

The Nikon Team



I'll believe it when I see it. I'm not a betting man, but if Nikon comes out with manual controls Canon will have no choice but to follow. Canon users will raise a massive stink if Nikon gives their entire line-up manual controls and Canon does not.

stav1606
2009 April 23rd, 20:02
Dont forget that manual control will not fix the jello.

Luxaltor
2009 April 24th, 21:51
Dont forget that manual control will not fix the jello.

That is actually the least of my worries. There are plenty of tutorials on the internet with post production techniques you can use to get rid of the jello or you just learn the limits of the camera. Every camera has its limits, it is all about knowing them and knowing how to work around them.

benkrebs
2009 April 25th, 22:59
That is actually the least of my worries. There are plenty of tutorials on the internet with post production techniques you can use to get rid of the jello or you just learn the limits of the camera. Every camera has its limits, it is all about knowing them and knowing how to work around them.

agreed, the rolling shutter just means you have to be careful about camera movements, smooth and steady, if anything it helps you shoot better...

noone likes whip-pans anyway.

stav1606
2009 April 26th, 18:48
agreed, the rolling shutter just means you have to be careful about camera movements, smooth and steady, if anything it helps you shoot better...

noone likes whip-pans anyway.

What if something like a car is passing? Why should it look like its bending? And being careful is a joke. Maybe I will buy a crappy low light camera and just use it when the sun is out... if anything it helps me shoot in better light, noone likes dark shots anyway...

fishops
2009 April 26th, 19:55
I just can't get around using a 2/3" sensor for photography. I agree shallow depth of field is over used, etc, but it is just nice to know that it is there if you ever need it.

Are you trying to say you can't control depth of field with a 2/3" sensor? Have you ever used one?

fishops
2009 April 26th, 19:58
The Panasonic GH1 has a 4/3" sensor and you can use almost every lens ever made.

Micro Four Thirds doesn't mean the sensor is 4/3". The sensor is actually just a bit larger than 2/3".

Luxaltor
2009 April 26th, 21:06
Are you trying to say you can't control depth of field with a 2/3" sensor? Have you ever used one?

No, I am not saying that. I am saying that I would rather have a larger sensor for photography so I could get really shallow focus if I ever wanted to.

Luxaltor
2009 April 26th, 21:11
The sensor is actually just a bit larger than 2/3".

Micro Four Thirds: 17.3mm X 13mm
2/3": 8.8mm X 6.6mm

The Micro Four Thirds standard is actually close to the physical size of a 4/3" sensor, which is 18mm x 13.5mm.

tehellet
2009 May 21st, 03:39
If Nikon were to upgrade the firmware for the D90 and D5000 to have manual shutter, ISO and f control... how many would sway to them instead of the GH1? I think I would... I don't know.

tehellet
2009 May 28th, 15:33
If Nikon were to upgrade the firmware for the D90 and D5000 to have manual shutter, ISO and f control... how many would sway to them instead of the GH1? I think I would... I don't know.

Now that Canon released the new manual control firmware for the 5D, do you think there's any truth to that rumour that Nikon's working on manual control for the D90-D5000?