amazing new 5D2 video

[booggerg]

http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&articleID=2667

[1]

Nice!

And some nice glass used there; must be about $30000 worth.

[I C]

Holy cow! :eek:

EF Lenses used in the making of Voyage:
EF 14mm f/2.8L II USM
EF 15mm f/2.8 Fisheye
EF 24mm f/1.4L USM
EF 50mm f / 1.2L USM
EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM
EF 300mm f/2.8L IS USM
EF 16-35mm f/2.8L II USM
EF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM
EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM
Extender EF 1.4x II

Gonna need more towels, the drool is out of control. :hv20-smilie87:

[Eugenia Loli-Queru]

It was nice, but it has the same problem as all other Canon 5D footage:
1. Contrasty look, because these guys used FCP to edit it, but didn't fix the contrast problem with Color first.
2. It still looked like video. And to hide that effect, they overly used slow motion, but it was difficult to hide.

So from where I am sitting, the 5D is a glorified video camera, that doesn't even have the right controls.

[dcloud]

2. It still looked like video. And to hide that effect, they overly used slow motion, but it was difficult to hide.

not really a problem. although i prefer 24p, i still thought it looks beautiful. would come handy to other peopl.

[spideralex90]

Wow, i couldn't ever afford that much glass. But i liked the video. even at 1/4 resolution it was great quality. Although i agree it needed some color work. but great stuff.

[mbwkrause]

Candy colors... Lot´s of eye candy but I don´t see a real movie here. It´s just a commercial. If it were a documentary you would run into another big limitation of the cam: sound. Another nice example of what you can do with it is found here: http://www.sportsshooter.com/news/2160

[spideralex90]

I'll wait for the 5D3 with 2K and xlr input!


i wish.

[IanB]

I still think this is better

http://www.sportsshooter.com/special_feature/caplin_thistime/

and honestly, it does look like video, and a few shots look washed out or not CG. Rack focus is good, but honestly I have yet to see any footage with audio matched to 5D footage. I think with the tools the hv offers, you can get better video than with the mkII.

Such as this:

http://vimeo.com/groups/hvmusic/videos/2088546

[-Rogue5-]

As much as I think manual control would make the camera soooo much better, with workarounds (similar to the couple we're using on the HV20) available, I think 23.976fps (or 24p) is far more important at this point.

Unfortunately, without adjustable framerate, the only slowmo you could get out of the camera if it was fixed at 24p would be really stuttery... I doubt even Twixtor could get much more than 80% without showing anomolies.

24fps or bust.

-Rogue5-

[booggerg]

I still think this is better

http://www.sportsshooter.com/special_feature/caplin_thistime/

and honestly, it does look like video, and a few shots look washed out or not CG. Rack focus is good, but honestly I have yet to see any footage with audio matched to 5D footage. I think with the tools the hv offers, you can get better video than with the mkII.

Such as this:

http://vimeo.com/groups/hvmusic/videos/2088546

Wow that sportsshooter music video is horrible.. a definite first attempt of a photographer at video. Horrible directing and editing, pretty bad image processing as well.

Compared to the HV? 5D2 is clearly superior.. Try shooting the HV in the same conditions that the 5D2 shot in for Voyage. It won't even come close... here is a full 5D2 video complete with live audio..

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/canon-eos-5d-mk-ii-hd/142414-final-version-my-shanghai-film-now-up.html




Unfortunately, without adjustable framerate, the only slowmo you could get out of the camera if it was fixed at 24p would be really stuttery... I doubt even Twixtor could get much more than 80% without showing anomolies.
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Not stuttery, there is nothing wrong with slow-mo generated from 24P footage. Just a different style of slow motion, totally subjective.

[Eugenia Loli-Queru]

>Compared to the HV? 5D2 is clearly superior..

No one is disputing that the 5D has much superior quality to any consumer or even prosumer camera. But visual quality is not the only factor to do what you need. Manual controls to get the look you need, and sensible frame rate support (if not 23.976, just some 29.97 for God's sake, not 30.00) are just as important. Besides, at a price of over $3000 with a good set of lenses, it better be better than the HV20.

My husband has a 5D-MI, and he wants a 5D-MII to replace it. Because he already got a 5D, he tried to persuade me to buy it via telling me that I can use the video mode, so this way we share the new camera (him for pics, me for video). But with these fps and lack of manual control conditions, I am simply not interested in this camera, no matter how good its pixel per pixel quality is. There's a reason why people still buy an HVX200 for example, even if it has less resolving resolution than other HD cameras out there. Because it has features that the others don't. Pixel visual quality is not the alpha and the omega of video making. It's a big factor, but not the only one.

So until Canon gets in its right mind, adds some manual controls, and good fps support, this product will stay out of our house.

[IanB]

Wow that sportsshooter music video is horrible.. a definite first attempt of a photographer at video. Horrible directing and editing, pretty bad image processing as well.

Compared to the HV? 5D2 is clearly superior.. Try shooting the HV in the same conditions that the 5D2 shot in for Voyage. It won't even come close... here is a full 5D2 video complete with live audio..

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/canon-eos-5d-mk-ii-hd/142414-final-version-my-shanghai-film-now-up.html



Not stuttery, there is nothing wrong with slow-mo generated from 24P footage. Just a different style of slow motion, totally subjective.

I have to say the example you have provided is better. And it is nice to hear some natural audio. So yes pixel for pixel it is better.

[Erik Bien]

Meh. Another very nice promotional video which goes to great lengths to display the camera's strengths and disguise its flaws (are all of these "Explorers of Light" allergic to daylight?).

[benkrebs]

i wish photographers would come critique camcorders photo modes.

[Eugenia Loli-Queru]

They should. Especially for the models that the companies behind them over-hype them.

[spideralex90]

I wish films would come out instead of tests videos. Then we'd see a real use of it in film. or maybe that's just me.

[Erik Bien]

How 'bout if I promise never to insist my HV20's still capabilities make DSLRs obsolete at Nikonians (http://www.nikonians.org/) or DP Review (http://www.dpreview.com/)? Maybe if I also agree that a DSLR which can shoot video is at least as cool as a lipstick cam (and about as practical for most of my shooting needs)?

[benkrebs]

How 'bout if I promise never to insist my HV20's still capabilities make DSLRs obsolete at Nikonians (http://www.nikonians.org/) or DP Review (http://www.dpreview.com/)? Maybe if I also agree that a DSLR which can shoot video is at least as cool as a lipstick cam (and about as practical for most of my shooting needs)?

mhmm,

as a photographer the 5d mkii is an answer to prayer, full frame and absurdly low noise, with a useable iso3200 with less grain than my s3's iso 400. The video makes it a great second cam at events as well, for getting b-roll while the a-cam is rolling.

not to mention getting some quick footage of shoots and days out.


no but seriously, why arent people shooting feature films with the 5d???

</sarcasm>

[Eugenia Loli-Queru]

Because it does not have enough manual controls and frame rate support. As a B-Roll, sure. But even the HV20 has been used as a B-Roll. And the HF-100 too. But as a main camera, no way. The fact that its image looks crisp and clear means nothing if you can't get the motion & look you need. And filmmakers prefer cameras that offer that control, versus to point and shoots, that the 5D-MII really is for video.

Wedding videographers probably would love the feature and it might be good enough for them. But the rest of us who do a different kind of videography, it's not good enough.

[spideralex90]

Manual control isn't all that on the HV20, but long and cool short films and such have been shot. I dunno. Maybe someone will make a film with the 5D2 maybe not. Who cares really?

Goes back to, it's not about the camera, it's about who is behind the camera.

[Dr. Benway]

The 5D MKII is a taste of the future, and a camera for those with cash who are lapping it up. Others, like me, are playing wait-and-see; I won't be liquidating my 5D for a MKII.

For stills the picture to picture quality between the 5D and the MKII is indiscernible. Unfortunately I can't provide physical exhibition grade prints for us to evaluate side-by-side. You might guess right some of the time, but I could manipulate most viewers into guessing which wasn't shot was shot a 5D or MKII or vice versa; it is digital.

So unless you are trying to take a photo in spastic low light; then where is your critical focus, color and subtlety? If you're a desparate photojournalist who needs critical low light power then go for it. But for most other stills application the MKII is a status toy for those who can afford it.

[Eugenia Loli-Queru]

The HV20 offers enough control, with its sensible frame rates, TV & AV modes. It's not as good as a prosumer camera, but it's enough to manipulate and get some good footage out of it. For example, for much of the kind of footage I shoot I need high shutter speed. The 5D doesn't do that without hacks. And for the music videos I shoot I sometimes need 24p.

[benkrebs]

Because it does not have enough manual controls and frame rate support. As a B-Roll, sure. But even the HV20 has been used as a B-Roll. And the HF-100 too. But as a main camera, no way. The fact that its image looks crisp and clear means nothing if you can't get the motion & look you need. And filmmakers prefer cameras that offer that control, versus to point and shoots, that the 5D-MII really is for video.

Wedding videographers probably would love the feature and it might be good enough for them. But the rest of us who do a different kind of videography, it's not good enough.

heh, this reminds me of all the camera reviewers obsessing over black dots at full resolution, or slight banding, or resolution charts and graphs who can't shoot a real photograph to save their lives.

tear apart equipment, write all you want about it, run it through the wringer,: it doesnt mean a damn thing. Virginia Schau won a pulitzer prize for a shot taken with a kodak brownie.

i guess there are those who geek out over their gear, and those who use it.

as for me, i'd rather be shooting.

[Dr. Benway]

Good on you Ben.

[Eugenia Loli-Queru]

There is one thing to "just shoot", and another to perfect your shot the way you want it. As I said, I need high shutter speed for most of my videos. And 24p with a cinema tone look for others. I am after a very specific look, and the 5D MII doesn't give it to me. If it does it for you, go ahead and buy it, but don't try to downplay our needs. We don't do the same kind of video, obviously.

[benkrebs]

There is one thing to "just shoot", and another to perfect your shot the way you want it. As I said, I need high shutter speed for most of my videos. And 24p with a cinema tone look for others. I am after a very specific look, and the 5D MII doesn't give it to me. If it does it for you, go ahead and buy it, but don't try to downplay our needs. We don't do the same kind of video, obviously.

this has nothing to do with downplaying your "needs", im simply saying there is no need to discredit the capability of a piece of equipment because you don't like it.

it could easily be confused for pretentious technobabble

and i say that knowing full we dont shoot the same kind of video, God forbid we all be cookie cutter shaped. I could say i need a leica mp with a 35mm summicron, but what happens when reality sets in and i cant afford one or dont have it available?

I understand being picky about gear, i love razor sharp lenses and ilford hp5plus pushed to iso 800, but lately ive been stuck with a thrown out canonet ql-19 and 3 year expired kodak tmax... i've seen quite a few talented photogs miss good shots because they didnt have what they "need"

and by "need" i mean "want"


feel free to ignore me though, im a purist when it comes to making pictures

[Eugenia Loli-Queru]

>im simply saying there is no need to discredit the capability of a piece of equipment because you don't like it.

Sorry, but this is a discussion forum, and we all write our opinions. And in my opinion, while the still pic mode is great, the video one sucks, because it's like a microwave with only 1 minute cooking option. If the 5D is such a great machinery, maybe then Canon should REMOVE all manual controls in the still picture mode, and sell it as point and shoot. Then we will see how happy the SAME people who bought this model would be. I bet not too much. It would be a glorified point and shoot, and nothing more. So it's the same for me and the way I see its super-lackster video mode.

Your comments really feel like you have a beef with me btw. You call me pretentious, you also said the other day that I am full of myself. We might not agree on most things, but you don't have to go out on a hunt. I don't hunt you, so I don't see why you should.

And no matter how much you try to win the argument here, my point remains, I wouldn't use the 5D-MII to shoot video because it simply doesn't do what I want/need. Sure, there might be times that it would be good enough (depending on the project), but more often than not, it wouldn't. Every video I've seen out of it, its motion looks like a soap opera (even if the visuals are nice, and there is a lot of shallow DoF). Also, its colors are over-processed and saturated by default, which makes color grading very difficult on post (not sure if the Canon PC utility is able to control the camera in the video mode regarding color tones). So the way this camera is right now, it's not the look I am after, sorry.

I have promised my husband though that if Canon updates their firmware with 23.976 and 29.97 fps, and full manual control (including color tones, and zebra support), we are definitely buying it. But not before that day comes. If I want to just shoot crappy video in 30p, I already have a Kodak 720p HD digicam that has exactly the same video controls as the 5D MII (and its picture quality is acceptable). I just use it sometimes because it's small, convenient and cheap, but I am not loving it at all. In fact, because I am due for a new camcorder (I have reached the limits with the HV20 in terms of control, my husband acknowledges that), I am just waiting for April to see what Canon will announce as their new flash-based prosumer camcorders. There's a good chance that would be my next camera, at the same price as the 5D-MII. But at least I will be getting a camcorder that's meant for what I need it, the right tool for the job.

[I C]

this has nothing to do with downplaying your "needs", im simply saying there is no need to discredit the capability of a piece of equipment because you don't like it.

it could easily be confused for pretentious technobabble

and i say that knowing full we dont shoot the same kind of video, God forbid we all be cookie cutter shaped. I could say i need a leica mp with a 35mm summicron, but what happens when reality sets in and i cant afford one or dont have it available?

I understand being picky about gear, i love razor sharp lenses and ilford hp5plus pushed to iso 800, but lately ive been stuck with a thrown out canonet ql-19 and 3 year expired kodak tmax... i've seen quite a few talented photogs miss good shots because they didnt have what they "need"

and by "need" i mean "want"


feel free to ignore me though, im a purist when it comes to making pictures

I can't decide if it's obnoxious or amusing that you try so hard to be esoteric.

[dWyZaK]

Looks fantastic to me, i'd love one of them.

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[benkrebs]

Sorry, but this is a discussion forum, and we all write our opinions. And in my opinion, while the still pic mode is great, the video one sucks

Your comments really feel like you have a beef with me btw.

But at least I will be getting a camcorder that's meant for what I need it, the right tool for the job.

i agree absolutely, and i'm discussing my opinion, which is that i think its interesting (though not invalid) that we're all comparing a simple video feature of a professional DSLR to the capabilities of a prosumer camcorder (only noted because of the demand for full manual control that we have yet to see even in the hv series) While at the same time there are no threads comparing the HV's photo mode to a comparable rebel xt. When canon threwa photo mode on the hv they werent trying to make their still cameras obsolete, it was simply to add convenience and boost sales for another neat feature; and i agree, until the 5Dmkii take it further, its still just a neat feature.

does it suit my needs perfectly: oh baby yes.
will i buy one: trading all my nikon gear soon
will i toss my hv: no no no

and no i dont have a beef with you, after 3 days of staying up till 4am to be on call to go drive my mom to the airport thanks to yet another foot of snow, somehow without even leaving the house i have jet lag and have thus been buried in my Magnum Photographers collected works

im mad at the world.

*i jest

everyone has different needs and it would be foolish to assume otherwise, and even moreso not to do everything you can to accommodate that.


I can't decide if it's obnoxious or amusing that you try so hard to be esoteric.


i'd go amusing.

i just don't know how to reply to that

[booggerg]

So unless you are trying to take a photo in spastic low light; then where is your critical focus, color and subtlety? If you're a desparate photojournalist who needs critical low light power then go for it. But for most other stills application the MKII is a status toy for those who can afford it.

Typical comments of the uninformed. the 5D2 is NOT a night vision camera.. LOL. It's low light/high ISO capability is useful in everyday shooting situations that is not in a studio. At $2700, it is also a very low cost still camera relative to other still cameras with similar capabilities.



Wedding videographers probably would love the feature and it might be good enough for them. But the rest of us who do a different kind of videography, it's not good enough.

That's a funny statement because that statement can only be made with the assumption that the majority of the stuff from the "indie" crowd is quality material.. LOL. Have you seen the 90% of that stuff which are crap that are all over vimeo?

[Frank]

Nice images, except the colors are outlandishly oversaturated; looks like someone cranked the yellow up to 11.

[benkrebs]

It's low light/high ISO capability is useful in everyday shooting situations that is not in a studio. At $2700, it is also a very low cost still camera relative to other still cameras with similar capabilities.


oh absolutely.

the iso sensitivity is a godsend for those of us shooting available light, its refreshing to be able to shoot indoor without a flash still maintaining a useable shutter speed, for candid and event photography, as well as photojournalism its perfect.

even for studio shooting, it makes a lot of creative lighting situations possible that would look like a nightmare with older generation dslrs... even high iso film. And at nearly a grand cheaper than the 5d started as, and half the price of canons flagship 1dmkIII...


but yeah, it has a nice "still camera" function.

[booggerg]

oh absolutely.

the iso sensitivity is a godsend for those of us shooting available light, its refreshing to be able to shoot indoor without a flash still maintaining a useable shutter speed, for candid and event photography, as well as photojournalism its perfect.

even for studio shooting, it makes a lot of creative lighting situations possible that would look like a nightmare with older generation dslrs... even high iso film. And at nearly a grand cheaper than the 5d started as, and half the price of canons flagship 1dmkIII...


but yeah, it has a nice "still camera" function.

Yep.. many people here who shot only video have really no clue of what the 5D2 offers. It's not a status symbol.. not by any stretch of the imagination. If people has cash to burn wanted a camera as status symbol, they'd get a Hasselblad H2

[benkrebs]

Yep.. many people here who shot only video have really no clue of what the 5D2 offers. It's not a status symbol.. not by any stretch of the imagination. If people has cash to burn wanted a camera as status symbol, they'd get a Hasselblad H2

dont be crazy, the H2 doesnt shoot video.


i shot with the H2 in the studio a while back in sydney, absolutely stellar in the studio, but the mkII with canons new primes hold up enough for a fraction of the price and much more efficient workflow. I cant imagine a reason to own an H2 though, unless youre shooting full time in the studio, but then mmy vote would be for some hassy film gear and a sinar back for digital when needed.