Not A Wysiwyg Lcd????

[Travis]

I just took some clips with my HV20, and the actual footage is wider than what is show on the LCD. What the hell??? I'm so pissed...someone please tell me that I have a setting wrong! I'm just using Portrait mode and standard DV widescreen mode.
Thanks in advance for your always sound advice!
Travis

[David]

Overscan, perhaps?

Is the 'wider' footage being viewed on a TV or are you seeing the 'wider' version in an editing program where you'll likely see the full frame/underscan?

http://www.digitalfaq.com/dvdguides/capture/understandsource.htm#overscan

[Mal]

Yes, what David said!

To add: the HV20 shares this with pretty much ANY video camera that was ever made. It's better to have the LCD show a little less than what's recorded,
than not have something show up on a TV later on. This is a universally adopted way of handling an unfortunate situation inherent with Television standards.
Eventually we may move away from that altogether, but since it's a remnant of the original TV design, we'll be stuck with it for decades to come, I reckon...

[JCVD]

Good topic!

I had the same problem: I did a good framing on location, but when later captured the footage to the comp, the footage was much more wider than on the location what I saw on the LCD screen!

So I did a test yesterday: connected the cam directly to the comp to see the real picture of the cam, and then checked what the LCD shows at the same time. The difference was huge and very annoying!

The LCD screen crops from the top, the bottom, the left and right side of the real picture what the cam actually see! I am pissed of, too!

This means I am "blind" on location, cause I can't see what the cam actually see, so can't do a correct framing.

What are the choices to see the real picture of the cam? Only an external monitor? Cause I don't have any money for that in this moment. I need to see the real image somehow, cause want to shoot so much in this summer.

I really hope you can help and solve the problem. Thank you!

[cgbier]

Getting used is the cheapest way. As Mal said, this is actually a safety for you. What you see on your LCD is about what you see on a TV. I don't know what software you're using, but there are screen overlays for safe areas (and title safe). Your composition should be within these safe areas as a protection against cropping. I'd say, this "feature" makes sense.
SLR cameras, e.g., had a 95% view finder coverage to take slide frames into consideration. What you saw in the viewfinder was what you saw on the slide later.

[Janke]

I posted a picture in another thread showing the exact cut-off of my HV30 - I think it's in a sticky, so peruse this forum; peruse... ;)

[northpolefilms]

Because Canon designed it so - TVs do cut off some of the image too, so it's a precaution, kinda...

However, for exacting work, it's a PITA!

Here's the actual cutoff:

http://www.saunalahti.fi/animato/temp/cutoff.jpg


found it! :)

[azmyth]

so what do you do when you have footage that has a light stand in it because it wasn't visible on the LCD?

[Khaver]

so what do you do when you have footage that has a light stand in it because it wasn't visible on the LCD?

Crop and resize back to 1920x1080.

[Shigeta]

I'm confused as to why you guys are pissed? It's not like Canon made the LCD view wider than what was recorded. As Khaver said, you can easily re-size and scale in post.

You don't do any post work? Then you shouldn't be worried about a little wider shot. Don't have the software to resize and crop? You shouldn't be worried about a little wider shot. It takes literally like, 1 second to resize it so stop complaining about a feature that actually helps you...

[Janke]

so what do you do when you have footage that has a light stand in it because it wasn't visible on the LCD?

You learn to avoid that, by checking that you have some leeway in your framing...

BTW, pro film cameras often have viewfinders that show more that will be caught on film, but there are markings in the finder, the actual frame, as well as safe framings for different aspect ratios, and even TV.

Here's my own finder reticle that I made for my 35 mm Arriflex:

http://www.saunalahti.fi/animato/finder/35big.gif

[markblasco]

On the HFS100 (I don't know if it applies to all of the canon cameras) you can hit the display button twice to see the full image on the screen. It doesn't stay this way when you record, but for framing before you hit the record button, it is very helpful. I used this to make sure that there were no mics hanging down in the footage for some interviews that I did, and it worked perfectly.

[JCVD]

I'm confused as to why you guys are pissed? It's not like Canon made the LCD view wider than what was recorded. As Khaver said, you can easily re-size and scale in post.

You don't do any post work? Then you shouldn't be worried about a little wider shot. Don't have the software to resize and crop? You shouldn't be worried about a little wider shot. It takes literally like, 1 second to resize it so stop complaining about a feature that actually helps you...

I understand how LCD is cheating, but find it a little stupid to lose 10% of the picture information this way.

My question is regarding the post: while you can't see the real sides of the frame, what's happening if something unwanted thing is shot and you notice it after capturing? You simply change the scale? Changing the scale doesn't make the picture quality worse and worse? One of my friend said that it's safe to go until 105%, go further is dangerous cause worsen the quality.

So guys please tell me how you crop the image, how you framing in post, I really want to know! Every advice is appreciated! ;)

Waiting for your reply!

[Playing]

Frankly I’d also prefer to see what I record and I don’t like zooming in to get rid of the bright red fire extinguisher that I carefully avoided during shooting.

[CycleWriter]

http://www.hv20.com/showthread.php?t=16511

Post to that Sticky thread instead of resurrecting 3 year old ones.:mad: