XP or Vista?

[paperke]

Hi,

I'm considering to upgrade my comp (buy new one) with sufficient parameters for video editing by Vegas Studio 8 Premium. Currently I'm deciding whether to buy AMD or Intel, but my main concern is whether to go with Vista or XP. I've heard a lot of negative feedbacks about Vista, but mainly while using other video editors or without sufficient HW. I don't see very reasonable to go back with older OS, while new one is on the market and I assume that all existing bags will be repaired in short time. I know that I will need a lot of RAM, my plan is to have 4gb.

Any experiences by both OS with Vegas Movie Studio 8 Premium??

Thanks for all advices :)

[Dodgy Nick]

Any experiences by both OS with Vegas Movie Studio 8 Premium??


I've had Vista 64 bit Ultimate since December last year, and I have had endless frustrations with software that is not yet Vista and/or 64bit ready. :hv20-smilie102: Slowly but surely the vendors have released compatible software and drivers, but everything is not yet up to scratch. I'm running Vegas 7 on a Core2Duo 6600 and an nVidia 8800 graphics card. Aparantly Vegas 8 is Vista 32 bit complient, so I would HIGHLY recommend going with Vista 32 bit, not 64 bit.

[iddy92]

go with intel Core 2 Duo by all means. when it comes to video rendering and multimedia applications, the cheapest core 2 duo outperformed the high end AMD x2 processor. also, if you're feeling adventurous, you can overclock the core 2 duo to run at much higher speed, and yes, it does make a difference in performance... i have e6300 (1.86ghz) overclocked to 2.6ghz using the stock fan- so it's almost as fast as e6600.

[24Peter]

I am running Vegas 7 on an XP Pro desktop and Vista Home Premium laptop. Runs fine on both - once I got rid of the Media Manager (conflicts with Vista or something - but I got rid of it on both Vista and XP installation - just hit cancel when it comes up on the installation screen.) Don't know about Movie Studio 8, though I think it's similar enough to Vegas 7 that you should be OK.

As was pointed out however, you may not want to jump to Vista just yet for other reasons - or if you do, make sure all your peripherals and software are compatible.

[paperke]

I just found that Sony released Vegas Movie Studio Platinum Update 8.0b, does anybody know what it involves, is it possible that it's 64 bit complient?
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/download/step2.asp?DID=744

edit:
ahh ... I found it after 1 minute :)

Notable Fixes/Changes in Version 8.0b
- Added support for MJPEG-encoded AVI files.
- Added Spanish language support.
- Fixed a bug that could cause 1080p HDV clips to default to 1.000 pixel aspect ratio.
- Fixed a bug that could cause image corruption in the Red-Eye Reduction window with Windows Vista™.


I'm running Vegas 7 on a Core2Duo 6600 and an nVidia 8800 graphics card. Aparantly Vegas 8 is Vista 32 bit complient, so I would HIGHLY recommend going with Vista 32 bit, not 64 bit.

[Lunchbox]

I have Vista and XP dual boot. Vista is lots of fun to play with. Everybody said XP runs faster... it seems true as most apps are written in 32-bit. I have the top of the line quad core QX6850 and 4GB ram so I can't tell if it's slower or not.

[SenorKaffee]

XPXPXPXPXPXP!!11 ;)
Vista just looks better - I mean, I use the grey Win2K style for XP so I don´t care.

[paperke]

I still have 3 weeks to decide :) as I am not at home at the moment ... but it's better to make research in advance... NOW I'm 60:40 for XP :hv20-smilie81:


XPXPXPXPXPXP!!11 ;)
Vista just looks better - I mean, I use the grey Win2K style for XP so I don´t care.

[paperke]

Currently, my planned configuration is as following:

- CPU Intel Core2 Quad Q6600-2,4GHz,1066MHz,8MBL2, Soc775, BOX
- ASUS P5KC, so775,iP35+ICH9,4xDDR2/3, 2xPCI-E,CF,GbL,eSATA,ATX
- Samsung 320GB, SpinPoint T Series,SATA II, 16MB, HD321KJ (ID:3234)
- Western Digital SE 500GB 16MB SATA2 WD5000KS\AAKS
- SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 2600XT 256MB DDR4 PCI TD
- 4x 1GB DDR2

any proposed changes without big influence on the budget? :)

[duketh]

Running XP on system at home and Vista Home on work laptop.
And I hate Vista. HATE IT!
I feel so cheated that microsoft brought out a product that is intended to be used in about a year because nothing was compatible when I first got it. It seems dumbed down and infuriating with excessive security warnings. It really annoys the **** out of me sometimes.
Also I'm with senorkaffee on the look, my home system is set-up win2k style so none of the fancy visual stuff slows the computer down, same with my laptop.

[bluegrass]

I feel sorry for newbies deciding to buy a computer from a store since you can't buy an XP box. I would highly recommend that someone in the market for a computer buy online and only an XP. Vista is pretty much a disaster or a struggle at the very least at the present time. I would say by next spring, that might change. XP sp2 is a pretty solid OS. Where I work and I'm sure most businesses it's "Best Practice" to stay away from Vista. We have been having a diffictult time finding XP laptops but our last purchase we found some Lenovo's. Before that we had bought some Acer Vista's that I managed to find all the XP drivers that were needed and I rebuilt them into XP laptops. I imagine Vista is OK if all you want to do is browse the Internet and do all you work in Microsoft Office.

[Lunchbox]

Running XP on system at home and Vista Home on work laptop.
And I hate Vista. HATE IT!
I feel so cheated that microsoft brought out a product that is intended to be used in about a year because nothing was compatible when I first got it. It seems dumbed down and infuriating with excessive security warnings. It really annoys the **** out of me sometimes.
Also I'm with senorkaffee on the look, my home system is set-up win2k style so none of the fancy visual stuff slows the computer down, same with my laptop.

5 minutes after using Vista, I had to disable the "User Account Control". It was so annoying. You have to confirm any single action even just to view some folders.

I have Aero turned on. It makes the desktop an eye candy.

[jackson]

go with vista and ride out the bugs , at least you will be able to use the 4gig of ram with your 32bit apps ( as long as they are LAA). Of course if you choose xp pro sp2 you might have to modify your boot ini file , that defaults to a maximum of 2 gig per 32 bit app, the modifications will allow you to use up to /3 gigg of ram on a 32 bit app. All of this aside with your dual cores and software that writes to multiple streams you might as well enjoy Vista. That samsung drive is pretty good as well, nice burst rates. Have a look at terrabyte drives if you are in the ballpark money wise they surpass near everything else in terms of performance due to thier size the data is very dense on the platters which = speed.

[SenorKaffee]

Please be careful with the boot.ini modification. Some applications just don´t like so much RAM. They will benefit from more RAM nonetheless.

I think Vista will be fine after one or two service packs. I also waited for XP SP2 before switching from Windows 2K.

[BobbyMurcerFan]

If you're buying a new a machine, which is what you're doing, you really have to get Vista. What are you going to do in a year when Vista is ironed out, do a complete reinstall?

Every new Windows app is going to be tested on Vista more so than on XP going forward. Yes I'm sure XP is better now, but you're buying a computer for now and the future.

[DigiDis]

Does anyone remember a Microsft OS called Windows Me? Its the one that essentially everyone skipped because it was a disaster and there was better on the horizon. Doesn't it seem like Windows Vista is the next Windows Me that should be skipped until the next real OS emerges?

By the way, I would get a local builder to custom build you a machine and not buy an off the shelf or Dell type computer. I usually spend less and get much more computer power this way, and it will be easier to get WinXP that way.

[Lunchbox]

I don't quite see WinME simialr to vista. I have been using Vista for 2 months now... it's rock solid and fun to use too.

[bluegrass]

I don't quite see WinME simialr to vista. I have been using Vista for 2 months now... it's rock solid and fun to use too.

Taky - I'm glad to hear some successes with Vista because it ain't goin' away. Just for reference, how about giving us a heads up on what NLE you are sucessfully using and what photo editor you have found that works well with Vista. If you know of a few quality programs that most of us are likely to run, you can give us some heads up on them too if you wouldn't mind.

[Lunchbox]

I was also skeptical about using Vista.. so I have dual boot for Vista and XP Home.

In Vista, I'm using actually every program that I have using in XP. I have Photoshop CS3 running really well in Vista. For NLE, I have both Premiere Pro 2.0 and Premiere Pro CS3 both running. I have After Effects CS3 running even better on Vista as it can use all 4GB RAM that I have. In XP, I can only get up to 3.2GB of RAM.

On top of Adobe stuff, I have MS Office 2003 running fine. Basically, I didn't experience anything didn't work well so far. Even the Womble MPEG Wizard also working fine. My Epson Style Photo RX580 printer + scanner, no problem. Even my dymo twin turbo printer is running fine too.

[JoeInBH]

I thought that the RAM limitation (3GB or so max) on Vista and XP was identical, assuming that you were using the 32 bit OS? Taky, are you using the 64-bit Vista? Or has Vista somehow overcome the RAM limitation?

[pascalbrown]

I think the vista vs XP debate is getting a bit old. If you are running software that absolutely requires XP then use XP, if not, I would suggest using Vista. I've been using Ultimate for about 6 months now, and my brother for a year. As of today, hardware compatibility is very very good, and so is software compatibility. The days of non vista software is over (in 99% of cases), so I suggest getting yourself vista.

[Lunchbox]

I'm using Vista Ultimate 64-bit. any 32-bit OS can address up to 4GB RAM all together including BIOS, memory address, hardware, video RAM... So my XP system properties shows only 3.25GB RAM installed. But in Vista, all 4GB RAM is in use.

http://hv20.info/yopu/takyvista.jpg

[JoeInBH]

Thanks Taky - I guess my follow-up question would be whether you've had any problems using 64-bit Vista? I heard that it could have major compatibility problems. Is 64-bit Vista going to cause many headaches for an average home user?

[Lunchbox]

Vista has compatibility mode for you to run certain old program in an emulated mode.

http://hv20.info/yopu/takyvistacompatibility.jpg

It's just a screen shot. I actually never have to run any program in such compatibility mode.

The only thing you need to concern is hardware driver. Check with your hardware manufacturer if they have an updated vista driver. If not, you will be out of luck. Luckily, all my hard ware are working probably. I even have a $10 USB electronic scale I bought from Radio Shack. I use the same XP driver and it is working too.

However, my Matrox RTX.100 card does not work in Vista. Matrox already announce stop supporting that card. So I can only use that card with Premiere Pro 2.0 in XP.

[BobbyMurcerFan]

Does anyone remember a Microsft OS called Windows Me? Its the one that essentially everyone skipped because it was a disaster and there was better on the horizon. Doesn't it seem like Windows Vista is the next Windows Me that should be skipped until the next real OS emerges?...Me <> Vista.

Me was a bs upgrade to Windows 98, which was improvement on Windows 95, but still based on DOS. The whole time, there was another version of Windows: Windows NT. And soon afterwards Windows 2000 came out.

Vista comes from XP which came from Windows 2000 & Windows NT. The Vista:Me analogy in no way holds.

However, I do remember when XP first came out. Peolpe were holding onto their Win 2000 installs, and were even recommending buying new machines with Win 2000 over XP. That advice, while not terrible, proved to be pretty short-sighted.

[Maqe]

Vista is still causing problems with video editing.
Or at least that's my diagnosis.

I can't edit HDV footage with a Core2duo, 2gb ram and ATI X1700 GPU.
In Premiere I can get a 15 minute timeline, if I'm LUCKY!
Avid won't even let me start basically.

[BobbyMurcerFan]

True enough I'm sure, but the starter of this thread wants to run Vegas. If he needed an up and running Avid machine, Vista would not be the answer.

BTW, an ATI X1700 doesn't meet Avid's system requirments, so it might crash Avid even in XP.

[slimoli]

Sorry if this is not exactly a Vista X XP issue but I would like your opinion on this Sams Club offer to work with Vegas or Premier CS3. is this machine good enough for a decent NLE editing ? The price seems to be good .

Thanks

http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=372467&pCatg=5816

[DigiDis]

I still am not convinced why someone "should" go with Vista today. What does that OS really offer to a video editor, or a media editor, that XP does not?

As for the Vista/WinMe and XP/Win2000 debate, I seem to remember there were a lot of reasons to upgrade from Win2000 to XP, and XP had overwhelming IT industry support right from the beginning. One major reason was better driver support in XP than in Win2000. Driver support is still a sore issue in Vista for many top level devices like pro audio cards, etc.

For the record, I was never happier than the day I built a computer based on Win2000. Going from Win98SE to Win2000 was a life changing event. I continued to use that computer for another year after XP arrived just because it did everything I wanted it to do. The next computer was a no-brainer to put on XP Pro. Now, I am about to take delivery of my next computer which I specifically requested WinXP Pro again instead of going to the current OS. And, for the first time in maybe close to 20 years, I may consider a Mac on my next purchase. At this point it looks like Apple may be finally on the right track and Microsoft is heading on the wrong track.

[Lunchbox]

I still am not convinced why someone "should" go with Vista today. What does that OS really offer to a video editor, or a media editor, that XP does not?


How about the fact that XP can't make use of all 4GB RAM I have? I can only access 3GB in XP but the entire 4GB are in use in Vista.

At the time XP was introduced, a lot of people are hestitated to upgrade and the same kind of debate was on. My company (over 5000 employees in US alone) won't upgrade to XP until SP2 was out. We were still using Win2K till 2005.

[DigiDis]

OK, that might be a good reason. If I remember well, in XP a program can address up to 2 GB and the rest is used by the system. Is this the same with Vista 32 bit?

My current machine has 2 Gb and I never seem to have memory problems and Task Manager never goes near 2Gb even when working with multiple tracks of HDV. I also don't see excessive memory use in After Effects either. The bottleneck with my current machine is probably the Athlon 3200+ processor. Next Friday I will bring my new computer home with an Intel 6600, 2 Gb Ram, Asus P35 MB, 3 500Gb SATA II drives and Win XP Pro. Lets wait and see if the next bottleneck is memory instead. If so, I will try another Gb, and if still memory is the problem then I will consider Vista on a separate partition.

[Lunchbox]

The 4GB max memory address issue will be the same for all 32-bit OS. Therefore, if you are running 32-bit vista, you will still be able to address a maximum of 4GB of memory that includes video RAM, BIOS, hardware memory address etc.

I have a quad-core system. It shines in AfterEffect. I can specify how many core will be used in rendering. Each core will consume certain system RAM at the same time. Therefore, it really helps to have at least 4GB if you do a lot of hardcore animation with AE.

[BobbyMurcerFan]

I still am not convinced why someone "should" go with Vista today. What does that OS really offer to a video editor, or a media editor, that XP does not?...It offers not having to do the inevitable complete reinstall when Vista has all its kinks worked out. Also some hardware, most notably sound cards, really have to be designed for Vista. So why buy an XP sound card (and possibly other hardware) when it may not work with Vista?

I would rather deal with Vista's headaches now than have to deal with "upgrading"... err wiping clean my hd and reinstalling EVERYTHING two years from now. And applying all the software upgrades and updates, finding the correct Vista drivers... it will be a total PITA.

[BobbyMurcerFan]

Sorry if this is not exactly a Vista X XP issue but I would like your opinion on this Sams Club offer to work with Vegas or Premier CS3. is this machine good enough for a decent NLE editing ? The price seems to be good .

Thanks

http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=372467&pCatg=5816I'm not sure if that's the best monitor to get, assuming you're editing HD. I don't have any monitor recommendations, sorry.

But Vegas is very hardware tolerant, I can't speak about CS3, but I imagine it's the same way.

So my short answer is, it looks like that machine should be fine. If that's a good price, IDK. But I'm assuming Sams Club==good price.

[Jake Ironshirt]

Sorry if this is not exactly a Vista X XP issue but I would like your opinion on this Sams Club offer to work with Vegas or Premier CS3. is this machine good enough for a decent NLE editing ? The price seems to be good .

Thanks

http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=372467&pCatg=5816

Once a month I stock up on meat and such from Sams and looked at that machine...the 24" is large that's for sure but it's clear. I'm no expert as I continually ask questions here about everything related to the HV20. It has 3 gb of ram, a quad cpu, two hard drives and you can add a third. I'm in the same boat two oars down looking for a new computer. I'm thinking about the Hp m8120n myself...I'm sure others will have input on the specs and or suggestions.