Got a 5D MarkII [Archive] - High Definition Digital Video Forum

Lucasberg

2008 December 26th, 17:27

I got it Xmas eve and shot all the video that night with it. I'm kind of sick so I have not had time to try to figure anything out with it but it is pretty awsome.

I was able to film in my living room with no extra light no problem, where with my HV20 I would need to use a clamp on dish light. It wont replace my HV20 but I will be using the 5d2 more I bet.

Editing blows, I get 2-3 fps in Vegas 7. I had to convert to ciniform 1440x1080p avi then use that to edit so I'm sure Im loosing a little quality there. Here is just a few clips from this morning all shot with my 70-200 2.8L.
YouTube - 5D Mark II DOF test-- 70-200F2.8L

I'm getting good at MF real fast, I'm sure the DOF adapter people all go through this too. The lcd is pretty good for focus and the zooming in feature is awesome.

2008 December 26th, 17:33

Way cool!
And congrats!

If you have a cat, please take some tests of that subject and post to vimeo.
Braceface is asking for that sort of thing I hear... :)

booggerg

2008 December 26th, 17:38

Three questions -

Did you use NeoHD or HDV?

How long did the transcoding take?

Why youtube? It makes everything look like crap.

Thank You.

ebola

2008 December 26th, 19:29

Your footage looks awesome I wish I would had got one for Christmas. I've been doing some research and found some people that are finding some workarounds to the Canon 5ds movie mode. Just like the HV20/HV30 there should be some photo button or cell phone trick someone will find to get more manual controls in the movie mode.

How To Use Video Mode on the Canon 5D MK II on Vimeo

dWyZaK

2008 December 26th, 20:13

Wow that is shockingly good, id be selling gear for finance right now if it had audio in.

You must be chuffed, get well soon.

Lucasberg

2008 December 26th, 20:46

Thanks Mal,
I checked B&H Tuesday and pulled the trigger, they had free overnight shipping. I have 2 cats so I will post some video of them. I did take super macro of both of their eyes.

booggerg
I used the free one in Vegas.

Transcoding took forever, about 10 times thr original length of the video from .mov to .avi. I only have a 2.8 duelcore with 3gigs of ram though.

I put it up at youtube because I didn't want to waste my 1 HD upload at Vimeo till I have something good. It has the HD version now at youtube.

Thanks for that link ebola.
I'm sure I will be bunning through some tutorials here pretty soon.

Thanks dWyZaK
Im selling my 40D,17-50 2.8, and the kit lens that came with it. And it does have audio in.

dWyZaK

2008 December 26th, 20:53

An audio in jack for an external Mic?

Right, i'm gonna investigate my finances.

Steve Kahn

2008 December 26th, 21:41

Beautiful! I think we are nearing the end of the 35mm adapter era.

For audio issues perhaps it would be worth it just to record high quality audio separately and line up wave forms in post synced to the cam mic.

Ian-T

2008 December 26th, 22:22

Nice. I'm starting to appreciate this cam and the D90 more and more. Looking forward to more of your shots.

benkrebs

2008 December 26th, 23:38

im gunna pull the trigger as soon as i can.. as shocking as working for best buy is, the employee discount isnt too bad for the 5d, i was bored waiting for the truck delivery to come in last week so i started looking up employee pricing on things i wanted, and they just started listing the 5d MKii, shocked to see that i actually got a decent discount, brings it down to $2400

Chicken Warrior

2008 December 27th, 00:26

Man...guess I'll have to get a job at BB then ;)

spideralex90

2008 December 27th, 02:17

Damn, i wish i had this cam. For video and DSLR reasons alike. This kills the D90 in my opinion. (But that's just my opinion.)

dcloud

2008 December 27th, 02:23

cant wait for 2009.. so many things to look forward to :)

thequads

2008 December 27th, 07:16

looks beautiful, but man, the movement at 30fps just doesn't appeal to me at all, but damn the images that cam can produce.. wow.

threadhanger

2008 December 27th, 08:12

Congratulations on the new camera. Looks good.

How do you think the image compares to the HV20?? You should do a shootout and edit some side-by-side footage for us. I'd like to see how easy/hard it is to blend the two cameras for a production.

spideralex90

2008 December 27th, 10:56

I want to see what other companies produce after this, I'm excited to see if the Lumix G turns out any good.

Lucasberg

2008 December 27th, 12:50

Here is a craaaaappy semi side by side.
Please do not base any opinioins off of this video. Both cams are better at different things.
This was the best I could do between putting toys together and making breakfast.
YouTube - HV20 vs 5D Mark II

Remeber I have not tweaked anything on the 5D2 and the hv20 was shot in cinemode. It was just window light from a 6ft window. Both cams were knocked back 1/3 or 2/3 on exposure compensation for blown highlights.

The quads,
Im not a fan of 24P . I think 90% of the people who try it don't do it right or something. It even bothers me in movies sometimes. Usually in the begging credits where they do long sweeping pans.

I'm not really a fan of motion blur either , but I'm the exception to rule I guess. The 5d2 is blury alot but I will deal with it.

chaos2k

2008 December 27th, 13:22

You got one, Thats awesome, Congrats !!

thequads

2008 December 27th, 17:13

now lets compare it to the xh-a1.. same price range. I have a feeling the results would be not too different... Canon's camcorder production headquarters must be in an organizational mess right now, their pro-sumer product line thrown to the wolves.

threadhanger

2008 December 27th, 17:45

The 5d has the advantage in those tests. It definitely held the edge. And the bokah and the Christmas tree was nice. But to be fair, I would try both outside on a cloudy day and keep the HV20 in tv or av mode. About the only time I used cinemode is when it's very sunny, or when trying to hide the blemishes on someone, because of it's softness.

Think the 5d will work with your steadicam?

Halsu

2008 December 27th, 18:08

The 5d has the advantage in those tests.

Funnily, i think almost exactly the opposite (apart from the bokeh being pretty on MK2). The HV20 footage looks like it has much better dynamic range. As usual, MK2 blacks are crushed.

In short - you can color correct cinemode HV20 to look like MK2 as far as color goes, but you can't do the opposite, there's not enough information in the MK2 footage.

NOTE: The crushed blacks thingy can probably be at least partly fixed by adjusting the camera - i just haven's seen such footage yet...

Chicken Warrior

2008 December 27th, 18:33

What I found most striking is how much the difference is emphasized in crappy SD - the 5D excels hugely in low-light clarity, but a lot of that comes down to the naturally high contrast. The Hv20 does seem to maintain a higher range, but if you can't clarify the image in post without inducing grain, I'm not sure it's very helpful to anyone (especially indie filmmakers). I know what I'm saving up for..

Halsu

2008 December 27th, 18:43

Here is a craaaaappy semi side by side.
Please do not base any opinioins off of this video. Both cams are better at different things.

Hey, would it be possible to have a few seconds of raw footage from both cameras - i'd like to do some tests...

Lucasberg

2008 December 28th, 01:39

Sorry guys, I still feel like crap . I will try to post some video in a couple of days . Tommorrow Im going to get better by watching some football and eating large qty's of food.

I took down my video from this thread too because is really sucked and was useless really. I'm not the guy to try to set them up for a good test.

Ian-T

2008 December 28th, 11:40

Dang I missed the video.

But get better man...this is the worst time of year to be sick. Unfortunately that bug is going on around here also.

spideralex90

2008 December 28th, 12:38

For some reason, on a few threads if i click a link to a video in those black boxes, i just get shot to a seemingly random part of the same page of the thread, and the video doesn't load. It's weird.

Lucasberg

2008 December 29th, 11:57

I tried to edit another video but my Vegas just keeps falling out of render. So this is what I got , Some you have seen before some not.
Random clips
5D mark II clips on Vimeo
Standard new cam cat video
YouTube - 5D2 cats

So far my favorite lens is my cheap plastic EF 50mm F1.8 II . It's so small and the focus ring is like nothing. My other lenses are long and you have to twist them farther to geet the same focus because they are bigger.

I tried my
70-200 2.8L non IS
100-400L IS
Sigma F3.5 180 macro
24-105 L IS

The 24-105 is good but when you go wide the shutter drops to 1/20, with the 50mm its usually at 1/50th. I have been playing with the set your Fstop and twist to stop it down thing with pretty good results. It seems the camera will do faster Shutter speeds.

Dodgy Nick

2009 January 8th, 12:02

On a related note, the latest firmware (1.0.7) for the 5d Mark II has been released. More here:

http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/firm-e/eos5dmk2/firmware.html

This fixes the 'black dot' and vertical banding noise problems.

24Peter

2009 January 9th, 00:19

Emanuel

2009 January 9th, 01:30

The 24-105 is good but when you go wide the shutter drops to 1/20 (...)It does seem it is not related to video, just movie stills mode. That is, the information you get for a still during the recording. But that's what I've read:

http://cinema5d.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=392&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=10#p4327

http://cinema5d.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=277&start=60#p4368

spideralex90

2009 January 9th, 01:37

I tried to edit another video but my Vegas just keeps falling out of render. So this is what I got , Some you have seen before some not.
Random clips
5D mark II clips on Vimeo (http://www.vimeo.com/2660382)
Standard new cam cat video
YouTube - 5D2 cats (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Riph9NnOK4I)

So far my favorite lens is my cheap plastic EF 50mm F1.8 II . It's so small and the focus ring is like nothing. My other lenses are long and you have to twist them farther to geet the same focus because they are bigger.

I tried my
70-200 2.8L non IS
100-400L IS
Sigma F3.5 180 macro
24-105 L IS

The 24-105 is good but when you go wide the shutter drops to 1/20, with the 50mm its usually at 1/50th. I have been playing with the set your Fstop and twist to stop it down thing with pretty good results. It seems the camera will do faster Shutter speeds.

Your close ups never cease to impress me.

nikitynick

2009 January 10th, 01:20

how about some still shots? it is a camera after all haha

Soultrape

2009 January 10th, 04:04

Just add &fmt=18 to the youtube URL - and you'll see the HD version (720p)

Lucasberg

2009 January 10th, 13:06

Here is one from the other night, Cropped to 16:9 because I like viewing my pics on my PS3.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3532/3175506885_41cdcdbe92.jpg

dWyZaK

2009 January 10th, 13:51

Brilliant shot.

um3k

2009 January 10th, 16:17

Just add &fmt=18 to the youtube URL - and you'll see the HD version (720p)

&fmt=18 isn't hd. &fmt=22 is.

Lucasberg

2009 January 10th, 19:54

Or click the HD link at the bottom.

Ian-T

2009 January 10th, 20:07

Ah...it's the simple things we take for granted...

um3k

2009 January 10th, 22:28

That works too...

skulpt

2009 January 11th, 14:54

Oh man, oh man, oh man. Those videos look amazing. I've got some good Canon glass that I would love to put to use. The thing I love about this is that you don't have to have the huge converter for my HV20, and the lack of noise in low light would kill the HV20. I like to blend in when I take pictures or video.

I think if they had introduced the same thing on the Canon 50D, I would have made the jump. The MK2 is too expensive for me right now. Even the Canon 50 1.8 would kill the lenses on the HV20 or even the newer cams announced a few days ago.

Here's a few sample vids I found on the net as well:

http://www.usa.canon.com/dlc/controller?act=GetArticleAct&articleID=2326

http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/11/06/a-better-canon-5d-mkii-video-than-that-last-one/

I would imagine Canon will include this tech in their 60D at a more affordable price.

CelticGardens

2009 January 11th, 18:54

This 5D MarkII footage is mind boggling. You absolutely must use the 'Watch in HD' option on YouTube to get the full effect of this clip. So awesome.

YouTube - 5d mark II seascape

Dan

skulpt

2009 January 12th, 11:26

This 5D MarkII footage is mind boggling. You absolutely must use the 'Watch in HD' option on YouTube to get the full effect of this clip. So awesome.

YouTube - 5d mark II seascape (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFKRwtiyUaQ)

Dan

Wow, that is amazing! I'll probably get this camera when they release the 5D MK3 or another cheaper Canon like the 60D comes out with it. Since the 5DMK 2 has been released for example, I've seen the 5DMK1 used for a low as $900, and not even that used. Although I'm not sure I'll be able to wait that long! LOL

booggerg

2009 January 12th, 11:46

line-skip nothing!

mbwkrause

2009 January 12th, 11:55

A I the only one who is concerned about the blacks that the 5D MarkII totally crushes?

jabloomf1230

2009 January 12th, 14:22

A I the only one who is concerned about the blacks that the 5D MarkII totally crushes?

Some of this "problem" is due to using the PC version of the QT decoder to play back 5D MKII video files, since this decoder uses sRGB (16-235). Using an h.264 decoder like CoreAVC reduces this problem, since it uses computer RGB (0-255).

Lucasberg

2009 January 12th, 17:39

jABLOOM , How does it work ? Is it only for playing or will it help in final product edit and render ?

kosulin

2009 January 13th, 11:55

Some of this "problem" is due to using the PC version of the QT decoder to play back 5D MKII video files, since this decoder uses sRGB (16-235). Using an h.264 decoder like CoreAVC reduces this problem, since it uses computer RGB (0-255).

This is not a PC specific problem, Mac version of QT exhibits the same behavior. This is what Mac folks say.

tkmslee

2009 January 13th, 12:25

For those of you that have shot 30p (Mark II users or others) you should try and convert the 30p to 24p using "MPEG Streamline". It seems to do a great job. If anyone else tries it, let me know what you think.

booggerg

2009 January 14th, 11:11

My 5D2 suppose to come in today. Have you guys solved the black crush issue?

Lucasberg

2009 January 14th, 16:52

I guess if you rewrap the .mov's to .mp4's, then set it to studio RGB it fixes it at least in Vegas.
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/canon-eos-5d-mk-ii-hd/140690-5d-mk-ii-crush-black-issue.html

I have not tried it yet.